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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:43 pm
by North America Inc
Arcadonisia wrote:It has been reported that top anti-gay activists are attempted to hold a public meeting with U.S. Senators in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in D.C. today to discuss the only thing that they can obsess over, their extreme hate for marriage equality in America. The organization holding this event is known as the World Congress of Families, which is infamous for spreading intolerance and hate against the LGBT across the globe.

The leaders of this group have come to seek the aid of U.S. Senators to help repeal laws that legalize gay marriages and civil unions across the states. Further information details that members of this group are indeed responsible for spreading false and misleading propaganda that has lead to widespread accounts of LGBT Hate crimes in Africa and Eastern Europe. Not only do these anti-gay activists seek the repeal of equality, but also demand that the U.S. support and embrace laws similar to the infamous Russian laws that prohibit propaganda supporting "nontraditional sexual relations".

So, yet again the crazies are attempting to hold back the waves of progress being seen here in the U.S. and across the globe. I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?

Source

Wait you are preaching that they are being Intolerant but at the same time you are saying they should not be allowed to use their freedom of association. That is a hyprocrite OP if I must say. How can you and how dare you preach tolerance, when you can not tolerate others. I totally support LGBT equality but what gives you the right to take away rights. It is people like you, who give people who are for social equality a bad name. All you are doing is helping their side.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:43 pm
by Gaelic Celtia
Menassa wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Hopefully my cup of water will turn into wine as well.

There is greater Biblical evidence for water turning into wine than for Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed due to homosexuality.

Very true. Granted, my Biblical knowledge is a little lackluster, especially with the details.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:45 pm
by Menassa
Gaelic Celtia wrote:
Menassa wrote:There is greater Biblical evidence for water turning into wine than for Sodom and Gomorrah being destroyed due to homosexuality.

Very true. Granted, my Biblical knowledge is a little lackluster, especially with the details.

There's no Biblical support for the idea that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to their denizens practice of homosexuality.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:46 pm
by Wisconsin9
North America Inc wrote:
Arcadonisia wrote:It has been reported that top anti-gay activists are attempted to hold a public meeting with U.S. Senators in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in D.C. today to discuss the only thing that they can obsess over, their extreme hate for marriage equality in America. The organization holding this event is known as the World Congress of Families, which is infamous for spreading intolerance and hate against the LGBT across the globe.

The leaders of this group have come to seek the aid of U.S. Senators to help repeal laws that legalize gay marriages and civil unions across the states. Further information details that members of this group are indeed responsible for spreading false and misleading propaganda that has lead to widespread accounts of LGBT Hate crimes in Africa and Eastern Europe. Not only do these anti-gay activists seek the repeal of equality, but also demand that the U.S. support and embrace laws similar to the infamous Russian laws that prohibit propaganda supporting "nontraditional sexual relations".

So, yet again the crazies are attempting to hold back the waves of progress being seen here in the U.S. and across the globe. I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?

Source

Wait you are preaching that they are being Intolerant but at the same time you are saying they should not be allowed to use their freedom of association. That is a hyprocrite OP if I must say. How can you and how dare you preach tolerance, when you can not tolerate others. I totally support LGBT equality but what gives you the right to take away rights. It is people like you, who give people who are for social equality a bad name. All you are doing is helping their side.

Who the hell do you think you are, to say that I can't be intolerant of their intolerance!? You're just as bad as we are, you intolerant hypocritical fascist!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:48 pm
by Condunum
North America Inc wrote:
Arcadonisia wrote:It has been reported that top anti-gay activists are attempted to hold a public meeting with U.S. Senators in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in D.C. today to discuss the only thing that they can obsess over, their extreme hate for marriage equality in America. The organization holding this event is known as the World Congress of Families, which is infamous for spreading intolerance and hate against the LGBT across the globe.

The leaders of this group have come to seek the aid of U.S. Senators to help repeal laws that legalize gay marriages and civil unions across the states. Further information details that members of this group are indeed responsible for spreading false and misleading propaganda that has lead to widespread accounts of LGBT Hate crimes in Africa and Eastern Europe. Not only do these anti-gay activists seek the repeal of equality, but also demand that the U.S. support and embrace laws similar to the infamous Russian laws that prohibit propaganda supporting "nontraditional sexual relations".

So, yet again the crazies are attempting to hold back the waves of progress being seen here in the U.S. and across the globe. I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?

Source

Wait you are preaching that they are being Intolerant but at the same time you are saying they should not be allowed to use their freedom of association. That is a hyprocrite OP if I must say. How can you and how dare you preach tolerance, when you can not tolerate others. I totally support LGBT equality but what gives you the right to take away rights. It is people like you, who give people who are for social equality a bad name. All you are doing is helping their side.

The funny thing is, your post is just as bad as the OP. The OP thinks it's bad to let people voice your opinion. Bad OP.

Now, you say it's bad to not tolerate people who aren't tolerant? Fuck that noise, I'm going to not tolerate their disliking of my life for as long as they continue to have those views. I'll tolerate their way of life, but not their lack of acceptance. Tolerance isn't universal, muchacho.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:49 pm
by Resora
Haflin wrote:So it could be said the senate acted as a company would?

It acted in a way that was no more or less oppressive than what a company does on a daily basis.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:54 pm
by Condunum
Wisconsin9 wrote:
North America Inc wrote:Wait you are preaching that they are being Intolerant but at the same time you are saying they should not be allowed to use their freedom of association. That is a hyprocrite OP if I must say. How can you and how dare you preach tolerance, when you can not tolerate others. I totally support LGBT equality but what gives you the right to take away rights. It is people like you, who give people who are for social equality a bad name. All you are doing is helping their side.

Who the hell do you think you are, to say that I can't be intolerant of their intolerance!? You're just as bad as we are, you intolerant hypocritical fascist!

Well that's a needlessly hostile post.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:12 pm
by Wisconsin9
Condunum wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Who the hell do you think you are, to say that I can't be intolerant of their intolerance!? You're just as bad as we are, you intolerant hypocritical fascist!

Well that's a needlessly hostile post.

I was mostly just mocking the "we should tolerate the intolerant" thing.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:40 pm
by Old Tyrannia
Natair wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Strange, I was under the impression that American liberals believed in freedom of speech. It appears that some of them don't, however, at least not when the speakers are espousing a view they disagree with.

As far as the group in question go, I don't necessarily agree with their point of view. However, I would not like to live in a society where they were not free to express it.

I do believe in it, and these people HAVE to be allowed to speak. That doesn't mean we have to like or appreciate what they say. Hell, we don't even have to listen.

I never said that you did. I wasn't talking about you at all; I was talking about the OP.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:48 pm
by Valendia
Menassa wrote:
Gaelic Celtia wrote:Very true. Granted, my Biblical knowledge is a little lackluster, especially with the details.

There's no Biblical support for the idea that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to their denizens practice of homosexuality.


Bingo. Sodom (we don't know about Gomorrah, it seems to have been a case of divine collateral damage) was guilty of the sin of inhospitality. For instance, they used to write their names on coins that they'd give to the poor, but merchants wouldn't accept them so the poor would die, and then the people who donated the money would be able to claim it back easily.

This is why, in the Bible, you have that shtick about Lot offering his virgin daughters to the gang of Sodomites rather than his guests. It's apocryphal and designed to contrast Lot's rather extreme brand of hospitality to his guests to the Sodomites extreme inhospitality.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:52 pm
by Neo Rome Republic
Well what's America without a few Religious and Conservative loonies, to stifle progress.
America just wouldn't be the same. :p

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:52 pm
by Valendia
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Well what's America without a few Religious, Conservative, loonies, to stifle progress.
America just wouldn't be the same. :p


It would be a lot better off, for one thing.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 pm
by Neo Rome Republic
Valendia wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:Well what's America without a few Religious, Conservative, loonies, to stifle progress.
America just wouldn't be the same. :p


It would be a lot better off, for one thing.

And lose my scapegoats, people to laugh at, and hilariously insane loons?! All of which amuses me. I don't think so.(sarcasm) :p
In all honesty though, I completely agree with you.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:55 pm
by Menassa
Valendia wrote:
Menassa wrote:There's no Biblical support for the idea that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to their denizens practice of homosexuality.


Bingo. Sodom (we don't know about Gomorrah, it seems to have been a case of divine collateral damage) was guilty of the sin of inhospitality. For instance, they used to write their names on coins that they'd give to the poor, but merchants wouldn't accept them so the poor would die, and then the people who donated the money would be able to claim it back easily.
[...]

That's exactly right.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:01 pm
by The Republic of Llamas
Why, isn't someone here being self-contradictory in regards to human rights. Let me remind you of a lesson I seem to be the only one to understand, somehow: Good people can do bad things. There is no universal code of conscience that is instilled into every last human being on earth. It's the same with racism a hundred years back. Someone could go off, sell all their possessions and live in poverty just so that others wouldn't live in poverty, and then see a black guy and consider him inferior. Why? That's the way he was raised. He was taught that there was a natural order of the world, so he believed it. I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't judge those who don't on their political views. Within a hundred years, people will think the same about restrictions on gay marriage as we think about restrictions on interracial marriage. Give it time, and the world progresses, but don't judge people because of the environment in which they were raised.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:03 pm
by Condunum
The Republic of Llamas wrote:Why, isn't someone here being self-contradictory in regards to human rights. Let me remind you of a lesson I seem to be the only one to understand, somehow: Good people can do bad things. There is no universal code of conscience that is instilled into every last human being on earth. It's the same with racism a hundred years back. Someone could go off, sell all their possessions and live in poverty just so that others wouldn't live in poverty, and then see a black guy and consider him inferior. Why? That's the way he was raised. He was taught that there was a natural order of the world, so he believed it. I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't judge those who don't on their political views. Within a hundred years, people will think the same about restrictions on gay marriage as we think about restrictions on interracial marriage. Give it time, and the world progresses, but don't judge people because of the environment in which they were raised.

I will judge whoever the hell I want if they refuse to question their own beliefs. "It's how I was raised" Is a fucking cop-out and they deserve even less of our time if that's their reasoning.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:03 pm
by Rocopurr
The Republic of Llamas wrote:Why, isn't someone here being self-contradictory in regards to human rights. Let me remind you of a lesson I seem to be the only one to understand, somehow: Good people can do bad things. There is no universal code of conscience that is instilled into every last human being on earth. It's the same with racism a hundred years back. Someone could go off, sell all their possessions and live in poverty just so that others wouldn't live in poverty, and then see a black guy and consider him inferior. Why? That's the way he was raised. He was taught that there was a natural order of the world, so he believed it. I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't judge those who don't on their political views. Within a hundred years, people will think the same about restrictions on gay marriage as we think about restrictions on interracial marriage. Give it time, and the world progresses, but don't judge people because of the environment in which they were raised.

How you were raised isn't an excuse. There is no excuse or reason to see another human as inferior and denying their rights for being LGBT.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:05 pm
by Neo Rome Republic
The Republic of Llamas wrote:Why, isn't someone here being self-contradictory in regards to human rights. Let me remind you of a lesson I seem to be the only one to understand, somehow: Good people can do bad things. There is no universal code of conscience that is instilled into every last human being on earth. It's the same with racism a hundred years back. Someone could go off, sell all their possessions and live in poverty just so that others wouldn't live in poverty, and then see a black guy and consider him inferior. Why? That's the way he was raised. He was taught that there was a natural order of the world, so he believed it. I support LGBTQ rights, but I don't judge those who don't on their political views. Within a hundred years, people will think the same about restrictions on gay marriage as we think about restrictions on interracial marriage. Give it time, and the world progresses, but don't judge people because of the environment in which they were raised.

Yeah no....In political and social issues, judgement and criticism are perfectly acceptable.
If you disagree, no one cares. :lol2:

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:09 pm
by Gamingland
Old Tyrannia wrote:Strange, I was under the impression that American liberals believed in freedom of speech. It appears that some of them don't, however, at least not when the speakers are espousing a view they disagree with.



As far as the group in question go, I don't necessarily agree with their point of view. However, I would not like to live in a society where they were not free to express it.

edit:
North America Inc wrote:*snip*


Being denied access to government offices to exercise freedom of expression/association does not equal being denied freedom of expression/association

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:10 pm
by ALMF
Arcadonisia wrote:It has been reported that top anti-gay activists are attempted to hold a public meeting with U.S. Senators in the Dirksen Senate Office Building in D.C. today to discuss the only thing that they can obsess over, their extreme hate for marriage equality in America. The organization holding this event is known as the World Congress of Families, which is infamous for spreading intolerance and hate against the LGBT across the globe.

The leaders of this group have come to seek the aid of U.S. Senators to help repeal laws that legalize gay marriages and civil unions across the states. Further information details that members of this group are indeed responsible for spreading false and misleading propaganda that has lead to widespread accounts of LGBT Hate crimes in Africa and Eastern Europe. Not only do these anti-gay activists seek the repeal of equality, but also demand that the U.S. support and embrace laws similar to the infamous Russian laws that prohibit propaganda supporting "nontraditional sexual relations".

So, yet again the crazies are attempting to hold back the waves of progress being seen here in the U.S. and across the globe. I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?

Source

leat not make the same repressions as the Russian law. That said wold vote for a senator that refused over one who met with them.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:12 pm
by Old Tyrannia
Gamingland wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Strange, I was under the impression that American liberals believed in freedom of speech. It appears that some of them don't, however, at least not when the speakers are espousing a view they disagree with.

As far as the group in question go, I don't necessarily agree with their point of view. However, I would not like to live in a society where they were not free to express it.

Being denied access to government offices to exercise freedom of expression =/= being denied freedom of expression

Arcadonisia wrote:I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:13 pm
by Des-Bal
These are people feeling quite confident with themselves throwing rocks at Rosa Parks while a mob of people cheers them on. In a decade or two that mob is going to disperse, they'll be quite alone, and their families will deny they ever existed.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:14 pm
by Des-Bal
Rocopurr wrote:How you were raised isn't an excuse. There is no excuse or reason to see another human as inferior and denying their rights for being LGBT.


That's absolutely an excuse. It's a pretty fucking good excuse in fact, if you'd been born in the 50's and raised with those ideals would you feel the same way about social issues you feel now?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:16 pm
by Des-Bal
Menassa wrote:There's no Biblical support for the idea that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed due to their denizens practice of homosexuality.


Well the men wanted to rape angels and clearly the problem with raping angels is homosexuality.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:18 pm
by Gamingland
Old Tyrannia wrote:
Gamingland wrote:Being denied access to government offices to exercise freedom of expression =/= being denied freedom of expression

Arcadonisia wrote:I personally think that they shouldn't even be allowed to hold any meetings or share their ideas at all, as they threaten the civil rights of countless LBGT citizens and their allies. The real question here is how far will they go to push their radical agenda into the legal system, and what can be done (legally) to stop them? What are some of your thoughts on their plans and their attempt of a meeting?


That's the OP's opinion. Not necessarily the one of most of us, or 'American liberals' as you choose to put it.