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The Scientific States
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:06 pm

Shershah wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:If you are not going to bother to even provide a definition of a word, when it's your definition that will ultimately guide the remainder of the debate, I don't see how you think you have any grounds to tell people, "If you want to argue, do so."

You've made it very clear that you don't want to use this forum for its purpose, and would rather spam. You should leave.


If you can't bother, then why should i ? And i am under no obligations to do so just because you said so. Again, "If you want to argue, do so". If you don't, then don't. Simple.

The Scientific States wrote:Then provide a argument, otherwise you're simply spamming.


What do you think everything that has been going to far has been. Let me tell you, it is not spam. Not my fault if you only see it as such. Speaking of which you haven't started an actual argument yet.

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1 - I don't see Satan coming, so sorry I don't believe this.

2 - What can we expect from you is the question at hand.

3 - Not really, but you are mentioning about gender roles being challenged in our generation and homosexuality being accepted. And to be honest, I like it that way, that people can accept each other.


1) Hello, i am Lucius Cypher. Nice to meet you. Would you like to have a cup of tea ? coffee perhaps ?

2) how about we make it up as we go ? I can't predict the future you know ?

3) I don't see it that way.


I haven't provided one? We've all tried giving you sources, but you're being more stubborn than a toddler who wants ice cream.

Also,

(1. Moving on, what you posted was pointless.

(2. What? I don't even...

(3. Too bad then.
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The Truth and Light
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Postby The Truth and Light » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:06 pm

Shershah wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:If you are not going to bother to even provide a definition of a word, when it's your definition that will ultimately guide the remainder of the debate, I don't see how you think you have any grounds to tell people, "If you want to argue, do so."

You've made it very clear that you don't want to use this forum for its purpose, and would rather spam. You should leave.


If you can't bother, then why should i ? And i am under no obligations to do so just because you said so. Again, "If you want to argue, do so". If you don't, then don't. Simple.

"You won't make points, so why should I?" is not only a tragic misassignment of blame in this situation, it's an open admission to your intent to spam. Good show!
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:07 pm

Shershah wrote:2) how about we make it up as we go ? I can't predict the future you know ?

3) I don't see it that way.


I think you have proved enough mate

I disagree
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Like i said, you are not getting any more "proof" unless something new comes up. So abandon all hope of that until then.

And like i said i don't care whether you take it seriously or not. I posted something, you replied and now i am replying to you. That is all.

Then you are, in my honest opinion, a shameless fraud, making factual claims without a single shred of actual proof, and refusing to debate properly.


Shame is overrated. And you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion. :)

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Shershah wrote:
Like i said, you are not getting any more "proof" unless something new comes up. So abandon all hope of that until then.

And like i said i don't care whether you take it seriously or not. I posted something, you replied and now i am replying to you. That is all.



Keep on arguing. Maybe we will get somewhere, sometime in the near future.

But you've said before that you won't accept said proof because it has political bias. Based on that assertion, you shouldn't accept any scientific sources because they could have political bias, including the ones that you yourself have provided.


Hence why i added my own points as to why i think what i think.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:08 pm

Beat 'em...twice.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Then you are, in my honest opinion, a shameless fraud, making factual claims without a single shred of actual proof, and refusing to debate properly.


Shame is overrated. And you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion. :)

Blasveck wrote:But you've said before that you won't accept said proof because it has political bias. Based on that assertion, you shouldn't accept any scientific sources because they could have political bias, including the ones that you yourself have provided.


Hence why i added my own points as to why i think what i think.

What the fuck are you even arguing for?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Then you are, in my honest opinion, a shameless fraud, making factual claims without a single shred of actual proof, and refusing to debate properly.


Shame is overrated. And you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion. :)

You seriously won't even bother to try to provide sources for your claims?
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 pm

The Scientific States wrote:...

Unless you have another account, "you" haven't. Others have argued.

The Truth and Light wrote:"You won't make points, so why should I?" is not only a tragic misassignment of blame in this situation, it's an open admission to your intent to spam. Good show!


And your argument is ?

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:2) how about we make it up as we go ? I can't predict the future you know ?

3) I don't see it that way.


I think you have proved enough mate

I disagree


We will continue to disagree then.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:Beat 'em...twice.


I keep seeing you

I keep thinking that Char Aznable gif is awesome.
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:11 pm

Condunum wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Shame is overrated. And you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion. :)



Hence why i added my own points as to why i think what i think.

What the fuck are you even arguing for?


Go to the beginning of this journey and you shall find the answers you seek. (Don't go to the beginning of the thread though)

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Postby The Truth and Light » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:11 pm

Condunum wrote:What the fuck are you even arguing for?

He was arguing that homosexuality was a disorder, but I don't even fucking know anymore.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:12 pm

The Truth and Light wrote:
Condunum wrote:What the fuck are you even arguing for?

He was arguing that homosexuality was a disorder, but I don't even fucking now anymore.

To be honest, I have no clue either.
Soldati senza confini: Better than an iPod in shuffle more with 20,000 songs.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

"When it’s a choice of putting food on the table, or thinking about your morals, it’s easier to say you’d think about your morals, but only if you’ve never faced that decision." - Anastasia Richardson

Current Goal: Flesh out nation factbook.

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The Scientific States
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:13 pm

Shershah wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:...

Unless you have another account, "you" haven't. Others have argued.

The Truth and Light wrote:"You won't make points, so why should I?" is not only a tragic misassignment of blame in this situation, it's an open admission to your intent to spam. Good show!


And your argument is ?

Soldati senza confini wrote:
I think you have proved enough mate

I disagree


We will continue to disagree then.


Since you obviously have no other intent then to spam this thread I don't see why I'm still here. You're acting more stubborn than Hippo, and I have reason to suspect you're trolling us just for shits and giggles. I'm not going to continue feeding your massive pile of spam, and I hope others will do the same by not continually arguing against your circular bullshit.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:13 pm

Belburg wrote:Vietnam what are you doing :palm:

They're beating the USA.
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Geopolitics: Internationalist, Pan-Asian, Pan-African, Pan-Arab, Pan-Slavic, Eurofederalist,
  • For the promotion of closer ties between Europe and Russia but without Dugin's anti-intellectual quackery.
  • Against NATO, the Anglo-American "special relationship", Israel and Wahhabism.

Sociopolitics: Pro-Intellectual, Pro-Science, Secular, Strictly Anti-Theocractic, for the liberation of PoCs in Western Hemisphere without the hegemony of white liberals
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:14 pm

Shershah wrote:And your argument is ?

You are the one who has been making claims. You are the one on whom the burder of proof is. You are the one that has to present an argument and prove it.
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I am:
A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
An aspiring writer and journalist
Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
cynicism


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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:15 pm

The Scientific States wrote:Since you obviously have no other intent then to spam this thread I don't see why I'm still here. You're acting more stubborn than Hippo, and I have reason to suspect you're trolling us just for shits and giggles. I'm not going to continue feeding your massive pile of spam, and I hope others will do the same by not continually arguing against your circular bullshit.


Who is this "hippo" or do you mean an actual hippopotamus ?

Also i did warn you about what you were getting into might only leave you frustrated in the end. Sorry.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:Beat 'em...twice.


I keep seeing you

I keep thinking that Char Aznable gif is awesome.

Keep thinking that, never forget the power of the red comet.
Fan of Transformers?|Fan of Star Trek?|你会说中文吗?
Geopolitics: Internationalist, Pan-Asian, Pan-African, Pan-Arab, Pan-Slavic, Eurofederalist,
  • For the promotion of closer ties between Europe and Russia but without Dugin's anti-intellectual quackery.
  • Against NATO, the Anglo-American "special relationship", Israel and Wahhabism.

Sociopolitics: Pro-Intellectual, Pro-Science, Secular, Strictly Anti-Theocractic, for the liberation of PoCs in Western Hemisphere without the hegemony of white liberals
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Postby The Truth and Light » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:16 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
The Truth and Light wrote:He was arguing that homosexuality was a disorder, but I don't even fucking now anymore.

To be honest, I have no clue either.

He hasn't made a claim for two pages. He's just been shouting at people to prove him wrong, on whatever belief it may be. We just don't know.

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Postby Greater Beggnig » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Can I just go on the record and say that homosexuality, if it were a 'disease' would be one of the best in the world? After all, it does nothing but reduce procreation. It's not as if we need more people in the world. Hell, we should be encouraging it, fostering it, spreading it as much as we could. Sponsoring programs that 'make' more people gay. We could solve overpopulation.

But that's bullshit. It's not a disease and not a choice. I don't know what 'causes' it, and frankly, I could not give less of a shit. You know, Jesus did not mention homosexuality once in the Bible. the closest he came was a possible positive reference. Jesus said this: “For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother’s womb; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. To him who can comprehend, that is enough.” (Matthew 19:12 Lamsa). The Aramaic word m'haym-ne (plural) is translated as eunuchs here, but the root meanings of this word in this form are: trusted ones, faithful ones and believers. These "trusted ones" were also servants such as chamberlains, eunuchs and officers. In addition, m’haym-ne meant homosexual men because they were trusted around women that were married or were not of their family. They weren’t a threat in committing adultery with other mens' wives or in having pre marital sex with the women of the nation.

Ah, but you say, Paul wrote about it! We must listen to Paul! Fair enough.
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet." (Romans 1:26-27 KJV)
That one is pretty clear. But have you read what else Paul wrote? We must cover our womens' heads like in Islam!
"Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered." (1 Corinthians 11:2-6)
Now shall we do so? 'No!' you say. What hypocrisy! You will base your life on a book, and reject half of its divine commands, even more. If these are truly the commands of an almighty God, you cannot reject some rules and accept others! You must either accept all the commands of this almighty God or reject him and his book entirely.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:And your argument is ?

You are the one who has been making claims. You are the one on whom the burder of proof is. You are the one that has to present an argument and prove it.


Do you honestly believe that anything is going to change on my part simply because you demanded so ?

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Postby The Scientific States » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Shershah wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:Since you obviously have no other intent then to spam this thread I don't see why I'm still here. You're acting more stubborn than Hippo, and I have reason to suspect you're trolling us just for shits and giggles. I'm not going to continue feeding your massive pile of spam, and I hope others will do the same by not continually arguing against your circular bullshit.


Who is this "hippo" or do you mean an actual hippopotamus ?

Also i did warn you about what you were getting into might only leave you frustrated in the end. Sorry.


Don't apologize, I'm not frustrated, I'm just not in any mood to try to debate you constantly saying "you're not arguing!"

And Hippo is Hippostania, a nation who was deleted by the mods and was known for being stubborn when it came to debating.
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Social Liberal/Authoritarian: -6.62
Political Stuff I Wrote
Why Pinochet and Allende were both terrible
The UKIP: A Bad Choice for Britain
Why South Africa is in a sorry state, and how it can be fixed.
Massive List of My OOC Pros and Cons
Hey, Putin! Leave Ukraine Alone!

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Postby Condunum » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Shershah wrote:
Condunum wrote:What the fuck are you even arguing for?


Go to the beginning of this journey and you shall find the answers you seek. (Don't go to the beginning of the thread though)

Yeah, I'm not doing that. I already tried, and all I could find was a bunch of posts between you and others of what pretty much devolved into "NUH UH YOU'RE BEING THE BUTT"
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Postby Chinese Regions » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:18 pm

Shershah wrote:Who is this "hippo" or do you mean an actual hippopotamus ?

Guys, he's new here.
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Geopolitics: Internationalist, Pan-Asian, Pan-African, Pan-Arab, Pan-Slavic, Eurofederalist,
  • For the promotion of closer ties between Europe and Russia but without Dugin's anti-intellectual quackery.
  • Against NATO, the Anglo-American "special relationship", Israel and Wahhabism.

Sociopolitics: Pro-Intellectual, Pro-Science, Secular, Strictly Anti-Theocractic, for the liberation of PoCs in Western Hemisphere without the hegemony of white liberals
Economics: Indifferent

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:18 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:Can I just go on the record and say that homosexuality, if it were a 'disease' would be one of the best in the world? After all, it does nothing but reduce procreation. It's not as if we need more people in the world. Hell, we should be encouraging it, fostering it, spreading it as much as we could. Sponsoring programs that 'make' more people gay. We could solve overpopulation.


Asexuality and sterility does the same thing.

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Postby The Truth and Light » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:19 pm

Greater Beggnig wrote:Can I just go on the record and say that homosexuality, if it were a 'disease' would be one of the best in the world? After all, it does nothing but reduce procreation.

:roll:

I'm going to need you to not bring this shit again.

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