Gay Weddings Legalized in....wait, Vietnam?

[Immoren]

Homosexuality is as much disorder as adult lactose tolerance.

[The Truth and Light]

I would try to explain to you the concept of "political correctness", but you're not paying me, so.

I'd actually pay to hear you blither on about how "oppressive" inclusive language is. Really. It's good for a laugh.

[Liriena]

That's a fallacy, and the age of your evidence is irrelevant, since said "evidence" is also false.

I don't consider it to be false. The only reason why there are disagreements is because of reasons like poli... yeah you know.

Prove it.

I would try to explain to you the concept of "political correctness", but you're not paying me, so.

Provide evidence that political correctness is keeping scientists from presenting research proving homosexuality to be a disorder. I mean actual evidence, not "common sense" bollocks or your edgy, incoherent ramblings about our decadent society.

[Shershah]

Don't think so. I am not really someone known for their empathy. And for the record, i don't mind receiving the backlash. I am just pointing out that others might.

If you're not capable of relating to other people, maybe that explains why you're so fucking strapped for clues as to how they work.

Look, it is not my job to empathize with someone who i barely even know. Even if i knew them that doesn't mean that i go all *insert emotion here* just like that.

[Liriena]

Lets say for the sake of argument that he is right, and homosexuality is a disorder... Then by his logic, wouldn't unique personalities also be a "disorder"?

If we're defining disorder as, "a characteristic that is statistically rare," then literacy is a disorder too.

Literacy, physical fitness, eating well, liking Sondheim musicals...

[Blasveck]

That's a fallacy, and the age of your evidence is irrelevant, since said "evidence" is also false.

I don't consider it to be false. The only reason why there are disagreements is because of reasons like poli... yeah you know.

Lets say for the sake of argument that he is right, and homosexuality is a disorder... Then by his logic, wouldn't unique personalities also be a "disorder"?

If it was a trait shown by a very few minority then yes.

I would try to explain to you the concept of scientific trial-and-error, but you're not paying me, so.

I would try to explain to you the concept of "political correctness", but you're not paying me, so.

You dismiss up-to-date evidence on the origin of homosexuality because you think scientists today are being politically correct? And you won't bother support such a claim?

That's just about the most dense comment I've ever read.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That's a fallacy, and the age of your evidence is irrelevant, since said "evidence" is also false.

I don't consider it to be false. The only reason why there are disagreements is because of reasons like poli... yeah you know.

Lets say for the sake of argument that he is right, and homosexuality is a disorder... Then by his logic, wouldn't unique personalities also be a "disorder"?

If it was a trait shown by a very few minority then yes.

I would try to explain to you the concept of scientific trial-and-error, but you're not paying me, so.

I would try to explain to you the concept of "political correctness", but you're not paying me, so.

"Political Correctness" is the first thing that comes to mind to people like you, who have their heads so deep up a boxhole that it is impossible to get them out.

Political Correctness has nothing to do with research. Research presents data, that may or may not conflict with present beliefs; political correctness is a sociological concept and it doesn't tie into science.

Stop being so dishonest.

[Prumkom]

So gay weddings are now legal but gay marriage isn't recognized for any legal purpose?

But I hope this is just the first step towards full marriage equality for Vietnamese people.

[Shershah]

Already discussed. Please understand if i can't get back to everyone especially when their requests are the same and already dealt with.

You discussed it but never gave any relevant proof, either logical or peer-reviewed, that may justify your belief.

That wiki article clearly states that it was once considered to be a form of paraphilia. Do you disagree on that ? and yes "it was".

If not then there is nor further need for discussion on that.

I don't consider it to be false. The only reason why there are disagreements is because of reasons like poli... yeah you know.

Prove it.

I would try to explain to you the concept of "political correctness", but you're not paying me, so.

Provide evidence that political correctness is keeping scientists from presenting research proving homosexuality to be a disorder. I mean actual evidence, not "common sense" bollocks or your edgy, incoherent ramblings about our decadent society.

Right, you want me to start a private eye or something next then ?

[Liriena]

So gay weddings are now legal but gay marriage isn't recognized for any legal purpose?

But I hope this is just the first step towards full marriage equality for Vietnamese people.

Well, constitutional recognition of same-sex marriage in Vietnam has been considered by the government.

[The Truth and Light]

If we're defining disorder as, "a characteristic that is statistically rare," then literacy is a disorder too.

Literacy, physical fitness, eating well, liking Sondheim musicals...

*nods sagely*

Look, it is not my job to empathize with someone who i barely even know.

Then how the hell do you function?

I'm dead fucking serious. Human society and even fucking etiquette as relating to how to say "hello" in certain settings is built upon being aware that other people are people. If you're incapable of understanding the worthiness of other human beings, I can't imagine you have much of a pedestal from which to talk about the "way things should be."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If we're defining disorder as, "a characteristic that is statistically rare," then literacy is a disorder too.

Literacy, physical fitness, eating well, liking Sondheim musicals...

Also another anomalies are being introverted, being a man with feminine characteristics, being handsome, having a college degree...

[Liriena]

Prove it.


Provide evidence that political correctness is keeping scientists from presenting research proving homosexuality to be a disorder. I mean actual evidence, not "common sense" bollocks or your edgy, incoherent ramblings about our decadent society.

Right, you want me to start a private eye or something next then ?

No. I want you to provide sources.

[Liriena]

Literacy, physical fitness, eating well, liking Sondheim musicals...

Also another anomalies are being introverted, being a man with feminine characteristics, being handsome, having a college degree...

Good grief, I'm a walking mental institution! D:

[The Truth and Light]

Also another anomalies are being introverted, being a man with feminine characteristics, being handsome, having a college degree...

Good grief, I'm a walking mental institution! D:

A gorgeously constructed one, might I add. I'd love to be admitted in the psych ward.

[Shershah]

"Political Correctness" is the first thing that comes to mind to people like you, who have their heads so deep up a boxhole that it is impossible to get them out.

Political Correctness has nothing to do with research. Research presents data, that may or may not conflict with present beliefs; political correctness is a sociological concept and it doesn't tie into science.

Stop being so dishonest.

Right... so if the moon landings were indeed fake, they would have no problem saying so. If we had encountered aliens, same thing ? Or what about some kind of accidental epidemic outbreak ?

If you honestly believe that politics plays no part then i have no idea what to say.

[Lithosano]

You discussed it but never gave any relevant proof, either logical or peer-reviewed, that may justify your belief.

That wiki article clearly states that it was once considered to be a form of paraphilia. Do you disagree on that ? and yes "it was".

If not then there is nor further need for discussion on that.

Having once been thought of as a paraphilia does not mean that it is one. The evidence shows that it is sufficiently dissimilar for paraphilias as to be an unrelated construct.

Homosexuality is only a paraphilia inasmuch as heterosexuality is a paraphilia.

[Immoren]

Also another anomalies are being introverted, being a man with feminine characteristics, being handsome, having a college degree...

Good grief, I'm a walking mental institution! D:

*then Liri was asylum*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1 - That wiki article clearly states that it was once considered to be a form of paraphilia. Do you disagree on that ? and yes "it was".

2 - Right, you want me to start a private eye or something next then ?

1 - It WAS, past tense. The fact that there has been peer-reviewed research on the subject that contradicts past data is what you are missing up there, champ.

2 - No, just better document your beliefs with more recent data. You are starting to sound like a 70 year old person who's bitter he didn't get a chance in life.

[Lemanrussland]

"If it was a trait shown by a very few minority then yes."

See, this is what makes me wrestle with psychiatry as a science. To what degree are their ideas of "mental illness" influenced by social norms? I realize psychiatry as a science has been making greats strides towards being more empirical and "biological" (nowadays, they can actually measure chemical imbalances in the brain and make a diagnosis based on that), but it's my opinion that mental illnesses are partially a social construct, and determined by what is socially acceptable or not.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ealth.html

As far as homosexuality being a mental illness goes, it was apparently a combination of changing social norms and data from studies which showed that homosexuals score within normal ranges for psychological disturbance or maladjustment, that there is little difference in the psychological function of either group (homosexuals or heterosexuals), and that there is little evidence that homosexuality is linked to pathology, which influenced the APA to remove homosexuality from the DSM.

[Liriena]

Good grief, I'm a walking mental institution! D:

A gorgeously constructed one, might I add. I'd love to be admitted in the psych ward.

Oh, stop it you!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"Political Correctness" is the first thing that comes to mind to people like you, who have their heads so deep up a boxhole that it is impossible to get them out.

Political Correctness has nothing to do with research. Research presents data, that may or may not conflict with present beliefs; political correctness is a sociological concept and it doesn't tie into science.

Stop being so dishonest.

Right... so if the moon landings were indeed fake, they would have no problem saying so. If we had encountered aliens, same thing ? Or what about some kind of accidental epidemic outbreak ?

If you honestly believe that politics plays no part then i have no idea what to say.

So much conspiracy theory.

So much bullshit I can disprove but isn't the topic of this thread.

[Lemanrussland]

Right... so if the moon landings were indeed fake, they would have no problem saying so. If we had encountered aliens, same thing ? Or what about some kind of accidental epidemic outbreak ?

If you honestly believe that politics plays no part then i have no idea what to say.

So much conspiracy theory.

So much bullshit I can disprove but isn't the topic of this thread.

Does Buzz Aldrin need to smack a bitch?

[Shershah]

Right, you want me to start a private eye or something next then ?

No. I want you to provide sources.

Been there, done that. And no you are not going to get a different source each time you ask.

1 - That wiki article clearly states that it was once considered to be a form of paraphilia. Do you disagree on that ? and yes "it was".

2 - Right, you want me to start a private eye or something next then ?

1 - It WAS, past tense. The fact that there has been peer-reviewed research on the subject is what you are missing up there, champ.

2 - No, just better document your beliefs with more recent data. You are starting to sound like a 70 year old person who's bitter he didn't get a chance in life.

1) And i have already said everything that i have to about that in previous posts.

2) The recent data is corrupted, so sorry, can't do. And if i was that old, then i wouldn't have to see what this world will become in a few decades.

That wiki article clearly states that it was once considered to be a form of paraphilia. Do you disagree on that ? and yes "it was".

If not then there is nor further need for discussion on that.

Having once been thought of as a paraphilia does not mean that it is one. The evidence shows that it is sufficiently dissimilar for paraphilias as to be an unrelated construct.

Homosexuality is only a paraphilia inasmuch as heterosexuality is a paraphilia.

And i am saying that this so called evidence is made up. Just so that their feelings won't get hurt.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also another anomalies are being introverted, being a man with feminine characteristics, being handsome, having a college degree...

Good grief, I'm a walking mental institution! D:

You talk about yourself and we're on the same boat!