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Postby Starkiller101 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:40 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:You sure you're a militant atheist? You sound more like a religious fundamentalist, to be fair. Maybe you didn't think your opinions through too well...


I have my own values. I don't need Jesus to tell me what to do.
I'm a christian and don't let god decide my decisions :rofl:
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Postby Aquafireland » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:41 am

Quite spiffy for a country like Vietnam.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:41 am

Sun Wukong wrote:
Belburg wrote:
So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

So marriage, in your view, is a breeding contract?

How... well, it's not even regressive, is it? Stupid. Blind to the complexities of human relationships. And deliberately obstinate in it's ignorance.

It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:42 am

Belburg wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:And there are married people who have lived over ten years together without breeding. What's your point?


What's the point of marriage at all? Man does hard work and then one day woman will take the house and car.

Using US as an example...
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Postby Belburg » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:43 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:So marriage, in your view, is a breeding contract?

How... well, it's not even regressive, is it? Stupid. Blind to the complexities of human relationships. And deliberately obstinate in it's ignorance.

It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.


I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:44 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.


I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.
Too make sure your wife or husband doesn't cheat on you i guess would be one
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:44 am

Belburg wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:And there are married people who have lived over ten years together without breeding. What's your point?


What's the point of marriage at all? Man does hard work and then one day woman will take the house and car.

What a great argument against same-sex marriage. :roll:
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Postby Belburg » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:44 am

Starkiller101 wrote:
Belburg wrote:
I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.
Too make sure your wife or husband doesn't cheat on you i guess would be one


Has marriage stopped wives cheating? Nope.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:44 am

Rock on, Vietnam.
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Postby Ishkken » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:45 am

Kemalist wrote:I did see that coming. Vietnam is a cool country.


In culture? Sure. In government? No.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:45 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.


I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.

Gay people can do that.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:45 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.


I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.

Rights and responsibilities of marriages in wrote: Right to benefits while married:
Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
Veteran's disability
Supplemental Security Income
Disability payments for federal employees
Medicaid
Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
Joint and family-related rights:
Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
Domestic violence intervention
Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
Court notice of probate proceedings
Domestic violence protection orders
Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
Funeral and bereavement leave
Joint adoption and foster care
Joint tax filing
Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
Legal status with stepchildren
Making spousal medical decisions
Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
Right of survivorship of custodial trust
Right to change surname upon marriage
Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
Right to inheritance of property
Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
Social Security pension
Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
survivor benefits for federal employees
Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
$100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

Responsibilities

Spousal income and assets are counted in determining need in many forms of government assistance, including:
Veteran's medical and home care benefits
Housing assistance
Housing loans for veterans
Child's education loans
Educational loan repayment schedule
Agricultural price supports and loans
Eligibility for federal matching campaign funds
Ineligible for National Affordable Housing program if spouse ever purchased a home:
Subject to conflict-of-interest rules for many government and government-related jobs
Ineligible to receive various survivor benefits upon remarriage
Providing financial support for raising children born of the marriage
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Starkiller101 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

Belburg wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote: Too make sure your wife or husband doesn't cheat on you i guess would be one


Has marriage stopped wives cheating? Nope.
Nothing will stop them Unless you put a gun to their head and say don't cheat or die.
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Postby The Carlisle » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

Belburg wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote: Too make sure your wife or husband doesn't cheat on you i guess would be one


Has marriage stopped wives cheating? Nope.

So only women are capable of cheating?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.

I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.

Does not compute with the rigid programming that you assume are the very mechanism that keeps human societies functioning, eh? You really, really sure you're not just a closet religious type?
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Aequalitia » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

Belburg wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:It's been a while since I was twelve to fifteen years old, but I don't remember being so obstinate myself. Of course there wasn't the current level of access to the internet back then, so that might have something to do with it.


I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.

Well I see much other points to marry. Its just more then just have a ring and say 'yes'. I cannot really say what it really is like (because I didn't marry yet), but I think its more then just that.
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Postby Belburg » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:46 am

Immoren wrote:
Belburg wrote:
I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.

Rights and responsibilities of marriages in wrote: Right to benefits while married:
Employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
Per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
Sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
Veteran's disability
Supplemental Security Income
Disability payments for federal employees
Medicaid
Property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
Income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
Wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax[3]
Joint and family-related rights:
Joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
Joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
Family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
Next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
Custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
Domestic violence intervention
Access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs
Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
Court notice of probate proceedings
Domestic violence protection orders
Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
Funeral and bereavement leave
Joint adoption and foster care
Joint tax filing
Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
Legal status with stepchildren
Making spousal medical decisions
Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
Right of survivorship of custodial trust
Right to change surname upon marriage
Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
Right to inheritance of property
Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
Social Security pension
Veteran's pensions, indemnity compensation for service-connected deaths, medical care, and nursing home care, right to burial in veterans' cemeteries, educational assistance, and housing
survivor benefits for federal employees
Survivor benefits for spouses of longshoremen, harbor workers, railroad workers
Additional benefits to spouses of coal miners who die of black lung disease
$100,000 to spouse of any public safety officer killed in the line of duty
Continuation of employer-sponsored health benefits
Renewal and termination rights to spouse's copyrights on death of spouse
Continued water rights of spouse in some circumstances
Payment of wages and workers compensation benefits after worker death
Making, revoking, and objecting to post-mortem anatomical gifts

Responsibilities

Spousal income and assets are counted in determining need in many forms of government assistance, including:
Veteran's medical and home care benefits
Housing assistance
Housing loans for veterans
Child's education loans
Educational loan repayment schedule
Agricultural price supports and loans
Eligibility for federal matching campaign funds
Ineligible for National Affordable Housing program if spouse ever purchased a home:
Subject to conflict-of-interest rules for many government and government-related jobs
Ineligible to receive various survivor benefits upon remarriage
Providing financial support for raising children born of the marriage


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Postby Belburg » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:47 am

The Carlisle wrote:
Belburg wrote:
Has marriage stopped wives cheating? Nope.

So only women are capable of cheating?


Yes.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:47 am

Starkiller101 wrote:
Belburg wrote:
I don't support marriage at all. But if they need to marry then only to create family. Otherwise I see no point of marriage.
Too make sure your wife or husband doesn't cheat on you i guess would be one


Because adultery isn't a thing that happens when married?

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Postby Starkiller101 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:47 am

Belburg wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:So only women are capable of cheating?


Yes.
Men can cheat too.
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Postby Ishkken » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:49 am

Belburg wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:So only women are capable of cheating?


Yes.


HAHAHAHAHAHA

No.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:49 am

-Ven- wrote:Balls to this, I'm moving into space.

I encourage you to do so.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:50 am

Belburg wrote:
Immoren wrote:


I don't live in USA.


What part of FOR EXAMPLE, you didn't get?
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Postby The Carlisle » Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:51 am

Belburg wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:So only women are capable of cheating?


Yes.

Please explain to the class why women are only capable of cheating and why this belief isn't sexist.
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