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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:20 pm

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Because they have specific definitions.

Now, I am saying they are the same thing because I do not know much about knives other than they are things to cut. I am not a connoiseur of knives, but with enough studies I perhaps would get to see the difference. It doesn't mean that they don't have a specific definition.


What i am saying that in the end when everything is said and done, they are still the same. What difference that exists is for the sake of differentiation, nothing more, nothing less.


Nice way to dodge the bullet.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:21 pm

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Image

Is not attracted to any sex, and neither are over 99% of her sisters. And yet her species is doing just fine.


Because of how everything is structured. And that doesn't mean that ants go on displaying homosexual behaviour. Once again, you are just pointing out that asexuality has benefits, not homosexuality.

Your argument was that homosexuality is bad because it is non-reproductive. These ants are non-reproductive, and they're thriving. That means that being non-reproductive isn't necessarily bad, which means that your reason for supposing that homosexuality is wrong is in error.

I don't know how to spell that out more clearly.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:21 pm

Shershah wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Here.


Like i said, you can replace it with asexuality and nothing would change. Heterosexuality and asexuality are what i see to be the 2 sides of the coin. The rest being disorders.

Heterosexuality and asexuality are the same side of what coin? Who says so, with the studies and evidence to back it up?
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Shershah
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:21 pm

Liriena wrote:
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Like i said, you can replace it with asexuality and nothing would change. Heterosexuality and asexuality are what i see to be the 2 sides of the coin. The rest being disorders.

Source?


The reasoning for homosexuality to be beneficial can be applied to asexuality. Asking for a source to that is like asking for a source to the existence of the earth.

Liriena wrote:
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Any source that i can provide is going to be old, from the "good old times". I don't expect you to hold it credible now.

Try me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

Yes, wikipedia. I am not going to bother with much atm.

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:23 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
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Like i said, you can replace it with asexuality and nothing would change. Heterosexuality and asexuality are what i see to be the 2 sides of the coin. The rest being disorders.

Heterosexuality and asexuality are the same side of what coin? Who says so, with the studies and evidence to back it up?


On and Off. 1 & 0.

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Shershah wrote:
Because of how everything is structured. And that doesn't mean that ants go on displaying homosexual behaviour. Once again, you are just pointing out that asexuality has benefits, not homosexuality.

Your argument was that homosexuality is bad because it is non-reproductive. These ants are non-reproductive, and they're thriving. That means that being non-reproductive isn't necessarily bad, which means that your reason for supposing that homosexuality is wrong is in error.

I don't know how to spell that out more clearly.


Yet they aren't homosexuals. Strawmen much ?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:23 pm

Shershah wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

Yes, wikipedia. I am not going to bother with much atm.


You are using paraphilia to explain homophilia?

Fucking seriously?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:23 pm

Shershah wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:It's not a semantics argument, the words actually mean different things.

This is why the distinction between STD and STI is an important one. You can have an STI, and be contagious, and be entirely free of disease. And a lot of people are, and that's how a lot of these things get spread.


And you have a disease then. That is my point. It is just a sub classification. The end result is the same. It is just for the sake of differentiation.

No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.
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Postby Rapidblaze » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:24 pm

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perhaps, but my question still stands, referring 'if they would like to'


At the risk... no make it, even though it would make me sound cold hearted, yes. Same reason why you'd try to help the mentally ill.


interesting, but in my opinion, i wouldnt compare (some) mentally ill people to a homosexual because as you implied, they aren't destructive or pose a risk to others.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:25 pm

Shershah wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:Heterosexuality and asexuality are the same side of what coin? Who says so, with the studies and evidence to back it up?


On and Off. 1 & 0.


Computer logic?

Okay hotshot, let's play your game at computer logic

Do you know that there are plenty more switches in a computer, and that a certain combination of switches make certain behaviors?

Hey! I know, let's go into a bit of BOOLEAN math

Just because x OR y does exist doesn't mean x AND y cannot exist in nature.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:26 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

Yes, wikipedia. I am not going to bother with much atm.


You are using paraphilia to explain homophilia?

Fucking seriously?


Yes. Read it and read my posts.

Sun Wukong wrote:
Shershah wrote:
And you have a disease then. That is my point. It is just a sub classification. The end result is the same. It is just for the sake of differentiation.

No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.


Sorry the doctors disagree. Also like i said considering you can't even grasp what a disease is, i don't see any point arguing with you.

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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:26 pm

Shershah wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:Your argument was that homosexuality is bad because it is non-reproductive. These ants are non-reproductive, and they're thriving. That means that being non-reproductive isn't necessarily bad, which means that your reason for supposing that homosexuality is wrong is in error.

I don't know how to spell that out more clearly.


Yet they aren't homosexuals. Strawmen much ?

That's not a strawman. It doesn't matter if they're homosexuals, because they are what your condemnation of homosexuality is based upon.
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:26 pm

Shershah wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.


Sorry the doctors disagree. Also like i said considering you can't even grasp what a disease is, i don't see any point arguing with you.

You say having asked no one.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:27 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Source?


The reasoning for homosexuality to be beneficial can be applied to asexuality. Asking for a source to that is like asking for a source to the existence of the earth.

Forgive me for not clarifying. I want a source proving homosexuality, bisexuality and the sort being "disorders".

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Try me.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphilia

Yes, wikipedia. I am not going to bother with much atm.

This is as lazy as it gets.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:27 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Shershah wrote:
And you have a disease then. That is my point. It is just a sub classification. The end result is the same. It is just for the sake of differentiation.

No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.


I took pathophysiology classes back in college, and I also kept the textbook (hell yes I'm going to keep my textbooks)

The textbook says the same thing about diseases and infections.
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Postby Lost heros » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
You are using paraphilia to explain homophilia?

Fucking seriously?


Yes. Read it and read my posts.

Sun Wukong wrote:No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomidatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.


Sorry the doctors disagree. Also like i said considering you can't even grasp what a disease is, i don't see any point arguing with you.

Says the person who claims all scientists are cowards who are afraid of voicing their opinions.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:
On and Off. 1 & 0.


Computer logic?

Okay hotshot, let's play your game at computer logic

Do you know that there are plenty more switches in a computer, and that a certain combination of switches make certain behaviors?

Hey! I know, let's go into a bit of BOOLEAN math

Just because x OR y does exist doesn't mean x AND y cannot exist in nature.


Doesn't contradict my point.

And everything else is made up of those 2 switches. Try again.

Sun Wukong wrote:
Shershah wrote:

Yet they aren't homosexuals. Strawmen much ?

That's not a strawman. It doesn't matter if they're homosexuals, because they are what your condemnation of homosexuality is based upon.


It matters because we are not arguing against asexuality, but homosexuality. Hence strawman.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
You are using paraphilia to explain homophilia?

Fucking seriously?


Yes. Read it and read my posts.


Read your own source, genius!
A 2012 literature study by James Cantor, clinical psychologist, comparing homosexuality with paraphilias found that homosexuality was sufficiently dissimilar from the paraphilias as to be considered an unrelated construct.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:No it isn't. You can have HPV and be entirely asymptomatic forever. You have no disease.

You do have an infection though, and it can be spread.

This isn't up for debate, I'm right. Talk to any doctor.


I took pathophysiology classes back in college, and I also kept the textbook (hell yes I'm going to keep my textbooks)

The textbook says the same thing about diseases and infections.


Give me one source that claims that infections aren't diseases and i will give you one stupid person.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:30 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Computer logic?

Okay hotshot, let's play your game at computer logic

Do you know that there are plenty more switches in a computer, and that a certain combination of switches make certain behaviors?

Hey! I know, let's go into a bit of BOOLEAN math

Just because x OR y does exist doesn't mean x AND y cannot exist in nature.


Doesn't contradict my point.

And everything else is made up of those 2 switches. Try again.


BASIC SWITCHES are made out of 1 and 0

Complex gates have many more switches that determine a specific output.

You obviously also fail at engineering.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:31 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
I took pathophysiology classes back in college, and I also kept the textbook (hell yes I'm going to keep my textbooks)

The textbook says the same thing about diseases and infections.


Give me one source that claims that infections aren't diseases and i will give you one stupid person.


So the American Medical Association are all stupid?

Nice to know how little you know about medicine.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:31 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Yes. Read it and read my posts.


Read your own source, genius!
A 2012 literature study by James Cantor, clinical psychologist, comparing homosexuality with paraphilias found that homosexuality was sufficiently dissimilar from the paraphilias as to be considered an unrelated construct.


Read my post again where i said that it will be an "old one". 2012 isn't very old is it now ?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:32 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Read your own source, genius!


Read my post again where i said that it will be an "old one". 2012 isn't very old is it now ?


And why exactly people from old have more authority than recent studies?

Ageism at its finest.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:33 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
BASIC SWITCHES are made out of 1 and 0

Complex gates have many more switches that determine a specific output.

You obviously also fail at engineering.


On and off and their combinations. What else again ?

Soldati senza confini wrote:So the American Medical Association are all stupid?


You never know. Especially with everything else that america does.

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Postby TBA Field Marshal » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:34 pm

Good.

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:34 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Read my post again where i said that it will be an "old one". 2012 isn't very old is it now ?


And why exactly people from old have more authority than recent studies?

Ageism at its finest.


Because not so much political correctness or any reason to be afraid of hate from the society. And how about people had a backbone back then, which most lack now.

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