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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:01 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
infections are not diseases, they are the mechanism in which the disease happens, but not the disease itself.

You can have an organism like herpes living in your body, it doesn't count as a disease until you manifest the symptoms. We have plenty of harmful bacteria living in our bodies, but they are not a major concern until the immune system breaks down and the symptoms manifest, in which case we say "we are sick" or that people have a disease.

You have no clue about pathology as far as I can see.


Is this sort of like how killings in war are not murder because "semantics" kind of argument ? If so i will pass ty.


Umm no, it is the definition most medical experts have asserted it is.

Disease: an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors.

Infection
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a. Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:02 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
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The heart of the crocodile is the exception and not the norm in its taxonomic category yes ?
Apply that logic here and voila.

Or maybe just the common sense that you need to be attracted to the opposite sex (unless asexual reproduction or both sexes in the same organism or similar) to ensure the survivability of the species means heterosexuality is the norm ?

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Is not attracted to any sex, and neither are over 99% of her sisters. And yet her species is doing just fine.


Because of how everything is structured. And that doesn't mean that ants go on displaying homosexual behaviour. Once again, you are just pointing out that asexuality has benefits, not homosexuality.

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Shershah wrote:
The heart of the crocodile is the exception and not the norm in its taxonomic category yes ?
Apply that logic here and voila.

Or maybe just the common sense that you need to be attracted to the opposite sex (unless asexual reproduction or both sexes in the same organism or similar) to ensure the survivability of the species means heterosexuality is the norm ?

I won't go into a threadjack about the heart of crocodiles, but if homosexuality compliments heterosexuality in ensuring the survivability of the species, doesn't that make it part of the norm? Why or why not?


I don't see the need for it nor how it compliments it in ensuring the survivability. If this was about asexuality, then there is a point.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:02 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Shershah wrote:
The heart of the crocodile is the exception and not the norm in its taxonomic category yes ?
Apply that logic here and voila.

Or maybe just the common sense that you need to be attracted to the opposite sex (unless asexual reproduction or both sexes in the same organism or similar) to ensure the survivability of the species means heterosexuality is the norm ?

Image

Is not attracted to any sex, and neither are over 99% of her sisters. And yet her species is doing just fine.


She is a cute one though :p
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Postby Beta Test » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:02 pm

A communist nation actually trying to exercise equality. Wow.

Well done Vietnam. :clap:
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Postby Rapidblaze » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:03 pm

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so because of this, we cannot leave them be even if they would like to? if yes, why?


Same question can be asked about the mentally ill.


perhaps, but my question still stands, referring 'if they would like to'

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:04 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Is this sort of like how killings in war are not murder because "semantics" kind of argument ? If so i will pass ty.

It's not a semantics argument, the words actually mean different things.

This is why the distinction between STD and STI is an important one. You can have an STI, and be contagious, and be entirely free of disease. And a lot of people are, and that's how a lot of these things get spread.


And you have a disease then. That is my point. It is just a sub classification. The end result is the same. It is just for the sake of differentiation.

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Is this sort of like how killings in war are not murder because "semantics" kind of argument ? If so i will pass ty.


Umm no, it is the definition most medical experts have asserted it is.

Disease: an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors.

Infection
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a. Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue.


Same thing. semantics. Sort of like differentiating a dagger and a knife.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:05 pm

Shershah wrote:I don't see the need for it nor how it compliments it in ensuring the survivability. If this was about asexuality, then there is a point.


Again, nature doesn't do what you want.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Rapidblaze wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Same question can be asked about the mentally ill.


perhaps, but my question still stands, referring 'if they would like to'


At the risk... no make it, even though it would make me sound cold hearted, yes. Same reason why you'd try to help the mentally ill.

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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:I don't see the need for it nor how it compliments it in ensuring the survivability. If this was about asexuality, then there is a point.


Again, nature doesn't do what you want.


Good thing we can change that.

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Postby Blasveck » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:07 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Again, nature doesn't do what you want.


Good thing we can change that.

Lawl.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:07 pm

Shershah wrote:[
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Umm no, it is the definition most medical experts have asserted it is.

Disease: an impairment of the normal state of the living animal or plant body or one of its parts that interrupts or modifies the performance of the vital functions, is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms, and is a response to environmental factors (as malnutrition, industrial hazards, or climate), to specific infective agents (as worms, bacteria, or viruses), to inherent defects of the organism (as genetic anomalies), or to combinations of these factors.

Infection
1.
a. Invasion by and multiplication of pathogenic microorganisms in a bodily part or tissue.


Same thing. semantics. Sort of like differentiating a dagger and a knife.


:eyebrow:

A dagger and a knife are the same thing.

Again, you have plenty of organisms in your body that could kill you, yet your immune system keeps them at bay to not create a disease. An infection does not mean you will have a disease right away, only when the immune system breaks down and it can't fight infection is when the infection takes over and you experience disease.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:07 pm

Shershah wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
Again, nature doesn't do what you want.


Good thing we can change that.

Are you going to source your claims regarding homosexuality and mental health anywhere in the near future?
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:10 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Good thing we can change that.

Lawl.

You cannot change your sexual orientation.


Yes you can. One just need to find the cause and what switches to flip. Who we are is because of our brain. So it is just a matter of figuring out the puzzle.

Soldati senza confini wrote: :eyebrow:

A dagger and a knife are the same thing.

Again, you have plenty of organisms in your body that could kill you, yet your immune system keeps them at bay to not create a disease. An infection does not mean you will have a disease right away, only when the immune system breaks down and it can't fight infection is when the infection takes over and you experience disease.


Yet there are those who'd disagree on the "dagger & knife". Sort of like what you are doing here.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Good thing we can change that.

Are you going to source your claims regarding homosexuality and mental health anywhere in the near future?


Do you really expect him to?
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:11 pm

Liriena wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Good thing we can change that.

Are you going to source your claims regarding homosexuality and mental health anywhere in the near future?


Not if the future keeps getting worse like what is happening atm.

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Postby Blasveck » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:12 pm

Shershah wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Lawl.

You cannot change your sexual orientation.


Yes you can. One just need to find the cause and what switches to flip. Who we are is because of our brain. So it is just a matter of figuring out the puzzle.

Soldati senza confini wrote: :eyebrow:

A dagger and a knife are the same thing.

Again, you have plenty of organisms in your body that could kill you, yet your immune system keeps them at bay to not create a disease. An infection does not mean you will have a disease right away, only when the immune system breaks down and it can't fight infection is when the infection takes over and you experience disease.


Yet there are those who'd disagree on the "dagger & knife". Sort of like what you are doing here.

I'm done. You've refused to source your claims, essentially resorting to "I'm right guys! It's a defect!" Ad nauseum.
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Postby Furious Grandmothers » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:13 pm

Shershah wrote:
Furious Grandmothers wrote:I won't go into a threadjack about the heart of crocodiles, but if homosexuality compliments heterosexuality in ensuring the survivability of the species, doesn't that make it part of the norm? Why or why not?


I don't see the need for it nor how it compliments it in ensuring the survivability. If this was about asexuality, then there is a point.

Here.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:14 pm

Blasveck wrote:I'm done. You've refused to source your claims, essentially resorting to "I'm right guys! It's a defect!" Ad nauseum.


Any source that i can provide is going to be old, from the "good old times". I don't expect you to hold it credible now.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:16 pm

Shershah wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Lawl.

You cannot change your sexual orientation.


Yes you can. One just need to find the cause and what switches to flip. Who we are is because of our brain. So it is just a matter of figuring out the puzzle.

Soldati senza confini wrote: :eyebrow:

A dagger and a knife are the same thing.

Again, you have plenty of organisms in your body that could kill you, yet your immune system keeps them at bay to not create a disease. An infection does not mean you will have a disease right away, only when the immune system breaks down and it can't fight infection is when the infection takes over and you experience disease.


Yet there are those who'd disagree on the "dagger & knife". Sort of like what you are doing here.


Because they have specific definitions.

Now, I am saying they are the same thing because I do not know much about knives other than they are things to cut. I am not a connoiseur of knives, but with enough studies I perhaps would get to see the difference. It doesn't mean that they don't have a specific definition.
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:16 pm

Furious Grandmothers wrote:
Shershah wrote:

I don't see the need for it nor how it compliments it in ensuring the survivability. If this was about asexuality, then there is a point.

Here.


Like i said, you can replace it with asexuality and nothing would change. Heterosexuality and asexuality are what i see to be the 2 sides of the coin. The rest being disorders.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:17 pm

Shershah wrote:
Blasveck wrote:I'm done. You've refused to source your claims, essentially resorting to "I'm right guys! It's a defect!" Ad nauseum.


Any source that i can provide is going to be old, from the "good old times". I don't expect you to hold it credible now.


So, you're the kind of person who also thinks the 19th century was the better times?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:17 pm

Shershah wrote:
Liriena wrote:Are you going to source your claims regarding homosexuality and mental health anywhere in the near future?


Not if the future keeps getting worse like what is happening atm.

Your dishonest buffoonery is really getting on my nerves.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:17 pm

Shershah wrote:
Blasveck wrote:I'm done. You've refused to source your claims, essentially resorting to "I'm right guys! It's a defect!" Ad nauseum.


Any source that i can provide is going to be old, from the "good old times". I don't expect you to hold it credible now.

Try me.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:17 pm

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Furious Grandmothers wrote:Here.


Like i said, you can replace it with asexuality and nothing would change. Heterosexuality and asexuality are what i see to be the 2 sides of the coin. The rest being disorders.

Source?
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Postby Shershah » Fri Nov 15, 2013 1:18 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Shershah wrote:
Yes you can. One just need to find the cause and what switches to flip. Who we are is because of our brain. So it is just a matter of figuring out the puzzle.



Yet there are those who'd disagree on the "dagger & knife". Sort of like what you are doing here.


Because they have specific definitions.

Now, I am saying they are the same thing because I do not know much about knives other than they are things to cut. I am not a connoiseur of knives, but with enough studies I perhaps would get to see the difference. It doesn't mean that they don't have a specific definition.


What i am saying that in the end when everything is said and done, they are still the same. What difference that exists is for the sake of differentiation, nothing more, nothing less.

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