Gay Weddings Legalized in....wait, Vietnam?

[Shershah]

Then you would be making a flaw in logic, which would make you look bigoted against people who do not want any kids.

Also, fun fact! Remember how you go on and about the whole "it's hardwired" thing? Well, it is also "hardwired" into us to prefer our own children over someone else's. Yet my girlfriend has a child from someone else and I see him as a child I would like to raise on my own. How do you explain that through science, genius?

Also, you would be surprised at how little you know about words.

Every rule has an exception. That seems to be your case. Personally though if that was me then i would just choose someone else to marry instead, but that is me.

Also i may be bigoted. Doesn't matter really. Labels are just that labels.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then you would be making a flaw in logic, which would make you look bigoted against people who do not want any kids.

Also, fun fact! Remember how you go on and about the whole "it's hardwired" thing? Well, it is also "hardwired" into us to prefer our own children over someone else's. Yet my girlfriend has a child from someone else and I see him as a child I would like to raise on my own. How do you explain that through science, genius?

Also, you would be surprised at how little you know about words.

Every rule has an exception. That seems to be your case. Personally though if that was me then i would just choose someone else to marry instead, but that is me.

Also i may be bigoted. Doesn't matter really. Labels are just that labels.

And yet it is a natural exception, or to put it another way, it is a natural thing for some people.

Same with homosexuality, it is a natural thing for some people while for others being heterosexual is a natural thing. Now THAT'S biology and logic put together. Not your pseudo-scientific logic.

[Shershah]

"Natural selection"

Mutations are a thing.

And besides, having a gay population has a benefit to humanity anyways.

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

If the one enslaved have no problem with it, i don't see anything wrong with it.

You don't see any problem with removing any and all Rights and freedoms. Yeah, I can see why you're anti-gay. Also, your post had nothing to do with mine. Land of Christ was making an appeal to tradition, and I showed that some traditions are horrible, making your post completely irrelevant.

I was referring more to his/her statement that they can me one cry with just words. I am not that sensitive.

And it is unusual because biology doesn't use that as the norm.

I didn't read it like that.

An appeal to nature won't get you anywhere.
Also,in case your curious

True freedom can only be found in the midst of anarchy and chaos. We are still slaves, just a different kind.

And exceptions are not the norm.

[Shershah]

Every rule has an exception. That seems to be your case. Personally though if that was me then i would just choose someone else to marry instead, but that is me.

Also i may be bigoted. Doesn't matter really. Labels are just that labels.

And yet it is a natural exception, or to put it another way, it is a natural thing for some people.

Same with homosexuality, it is a natural thing for some people while for others being heterosexual is a natural thing. Now THAT'S biology and logic put together. Not your pseudo-scientific logic.

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

Mutations are many times favorable, it doesn't need to be harmful.

Again, you are talking baseless assumptions. Also, just because it is favored it doesn't mean that is the universal flow of the universe.

[Lost heros]

Mutations are a thing.

And besides, having a gay population has a benefit to humanity anyways.

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

You don't see any problem with removing any and all Rights and freedoms. Yeah, I can see why you're anti-gay. Also, your post had nothing to do with mine. Land of Christ was making an appeal to tradition, and I showed that some traditions are horrible, making your post completely irrelevant.


I didn't read it like that.

An appeal to nature won't get you anywhere.
Also,in case your curious

True freedom can only be found in the midst of anarchy and chaos. We are still slaves, just a different kind.

And exceptions are not the norm.

Your proverbs are not arguments.

So? Because they are an exception to the norm we should deny them basic human rights?

[Blasveck]

Mutations are a thing.

And besides, having a gay population has a benefit to humanity anyways.

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

You don't see any problem with removing any and all Rights and freedoms. Yeah, I can see why you're anti-gay. Also, your post had nothing to do with mine. Land of Christ was making an appeal to tradition, and I showed that some traditions are horrible, making your post completely irrelevant.


I didn't read it like that.

An appeal to nature won't get you anywhere.
Also,in case your curious

True freedom can only be found in the midst of anarchy and chaos. We are still slaves, just a different kind.

And exceptions are not the norm.

Evolution is not about the "survival of the strong"

Evolution is about the survival of the species as a whole.

And it just so happens that not everybody needs to be able to reproduce to contribute to the survival of the species.

[Liriena]

And yet it is a natural exception, or to put it another way, it is a natural thing for some people.

Same with homosexuality, it is a natural thing for some people while for others being heterosexual is a natural thing. Now THAT'S biology and logic put together. Not your pseudo-scientific logic.

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

You pity mentally healthy people for having a sexual orientation different from yours, and think they should be force to undergo medical procedures aimed at "curing" them of something that is not a disease and is inherently harmless?

You make no sense.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet it is a natural exception, or to put it another way, it is a natural thing for some people.

Same with homosexuality, it is a natural thing for some people while for others being heterosexual is a natural thing. Now THAT'S biology and logic put together. Not your pseudo-scientific logic.

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

Are you even trying to make an argument anymore?

A cure does not exist for a biological process that is an advantage. Even if we were to kill them all (in the most radical case) it would appear again because it is a biological trait, is not something that has a cure.

[Shershah]

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

Mutations are many times favorable, it doesn't need to be harmful.

Again, you are talking baseless assumptions. Also, just because it is favored it doesn't mean that is the universal flow of the universe.

Favoured = the norm =/= the exception.

Sanity is the norm, insanity is the exception. Healthy is the norm, diseased is the exception. We try to cure diseases don't we. That is what i see it as.

[Lost heros]

And yet it is a natural exception, or to put it another way, it is a natural thing for some people.

Same with homosexuality, it is a natural thing for some people while for others being heterosexual is a natural thing. Now THAT'S biology and logic put together. Not your pseudo-scientific logic.

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

They don't need nor want your pity. They don't want you to enforce your baseless rules on to them. There is nothing to cure. Gayness is not a disease.

[Liriena]

That is what i see it as.

Yet you have no valid, peer-reviewed research to prove your hypothesis right.

[Blasveck]

Mutations are many times favorable, it doesn't need to be harmful.

Again, you are talking baseless assumptions. Also, just because it is favored it doesn't mean that is the universal flow of the universe.

Favoured = the norm =/= the exception.

Sanity is the norm, insanity is the exception. Healthy is the norm, diseased is the exception. We try to cure diseases don't we. That is what i see it as.

And the medical community has agreed that homosexuality is not a disease. I'll take their researched, informed conclusion over your baseless assertions.

Unless you are a doctor, in which case, please submit your findings on homosexuality to the medical community.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Mutations are many times favorable, it doesn't need to be harmful.

Again, you are talking baseless assumptions. Also, just because it is favored it doesn't mean that is the universal flow of the universe.

Favoured = the norm =/= the exception.

Sanity is the norm, insanity is the exception. Healthy is the norm, diseased is the exception. We try to cure diseases don't we. That is what i see it as.

Favored just means it is more likely to appear, it doesn't mean it has, by law, to appear in a population.

Again, you can't cure a natural process.

[Threlizdun]

Mutations are many times favorable, it doesn't need to be harmful.

Again, you are talking baseless assumptions. Also, just because it is favored it doesn't mean that is the universal flow of the universe.

Favoured = the norm =/= the exception.

Sanity is the norm, insanity is the exception. Healthy is the norm, diseased is the exception. We try to cure diseases don't we. That is what i see it as.

Then you are woefully wrong. It hasn't been seen as a disease by any reputable mental health professional in over half a century

[Risottia]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

So, we should do away with Christianity because it is also a threat to traditional society and must be discouraged?

Exactly what I was telling Octavianus...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

They don't need nor want your pity. They don't want you to enforce your baseless rules on to them. There is nothing to cure. Gayness is not a disease.

But saying "gayness" is

[Sun Wukong]

Mutations are a thing.

And besides, having a gay population has a benefit to humanity anyways.

Mutations doesn't contradict the fact that only the strong survive. You need to be able to reproduce to ensure the continuity of the species and hence heterosexual behaviour is favoured. That is a fact.

Also it can just as well be sterility or asexuality. It need not be homosexuality. So not really much of a point.

Humans are K strategists. A larger number of adults looking after a fewer number of children is favored. A non-reproducing uncle with strong family ties is a boon for you.

[Shershah]

Evolution is not about the "survival of the strong"

Evolution is about the survival of the species as a whole.

And it just so happens that not everybody needs to be able to reproduce to contribute to the survival of the species.

And your argument ?

You pity mentally healthy people for having a sexual orientation different from yours, and think they should be force to undergo medical procedures aimed at "curing" them of something that is not a disease and is inherently harmless?

You make no sense.

I consider it as a disorder or mental illness. I thought i said that already.

And i just consider it as something for which a cure if possible should be created. That is all. I don't hate them, i just pity them.

Are you even trying to make an argument anymore?

A cure does not exist for a biological process that is an advantage. Even if we were to kill them all (in the most radical case) it would appear again because it is a biological trait, is not something that has a cure.

Only it is not an advantage. If you are talking about overpopulation, sterility is an advantage, but homosexual people can still reproduce, so not really an advantage from biological point of view.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So, we should do away with Christianity because it is also a threat to traditional society and must be discouraged?

Exactly what I was telling Octavianus...

I don't think he listened to you that well...

[Lost heros]

They don't need nor want your pity. They don't want you to enforce your baseless rules on to them. There is nothing to cure. Gayness is not a disease.

But saying "gayness" is

I couldn't think of a better word.

[Totalise]

another leftet state

[Blasveck]

Evolution is not about the "survival of the strong"

Evolution is about the survival of the species as a whole.

And it just so happens that not everybody needs to be able to reproduce to contribute to the survival of the species.

And your argument ?

You pity mentally healthy people for having a sexual orientation different from yours, and think they should be force to undergo medical procedures aimed at "curing" them of something that is not a disease and is inherently harmless?

You make no sense.

I consider it as a disorder or mental illness. I thought i said that already.

Are you even trying to make an argument anymore?

A cure does not exist for a biological process that is an advantage. Even if we were to kill them all (in the most radical case) it would appear again because it is a biological trait, is not something that has a cure.

Only it is not an advantage. If you are talking about overpopulation, sterility is an advantage, but homosexual people can still reproduce, so not really an advantage from biological point of view.

Having a non-reproducing member of the species is not always a bad thing. In small populations, it can be, sure.
But with 7 billion members of the human species, i think we're okay.

[Sun Wukong]

Evolution is not about the "survival of the strong"

Evolution is about the survival of the species as a whole.

And it just so happens that not everybody needs to be able to reproduce to contribute to the survival of the species.

And your argument ?

The vast majority of ants are non-reproductive. Ants are among, if not the most, successful species on the planet.

Natural selection does not support your argument.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Are you even trying to make an argument anymore?

A cure does not exist for a biological process that is an advantage. Even if we were to kill them all (in the most radical case) it would appear again because it is a biological trait, is not something that has a cure.

Only it is not an advantage. If you are talking about overpopulation, sterility is an advantage, but homosexual people can still reproduce, so not really an advantage from biological point of view.

Sterility is just one form of advantage.

That's the funny thing about biology, random shit happens and we have one or multiple variables. Homosexuality has existed since forever because it is advantageous to the population group of humans. Christianity on the other hand has placed a serious stigma on homosexuality, and as such we can conclude Christianity is unnatural.