Gay Weddings Legalized in....wait, Vietnam?

[Shershah]

I would be flaming if I do, and possibly get banned because of it so nice lure, but I won't bite.

Words can't hurt anyone. They are just words.

I don't see any other reason not to include it as a paraphilia.

Definition of paraphilia (n)

Bing Dictionary
par·a·phil·i·a [ pàrrə fíllee ə ]

need for unusual sexual stimulation: the need for an extreme or dangerous stimulus such as a sadistic or masochistic practice in order to achieve sexual arousal or orgasm

So you have no idea what homosexuality is.

"need for unusual sexual stimulation". There you go.

If a person is sterile, are you saying that they would be actively against a cure if possible ? And why don't you like kids ? since we are basically hardwired to procreate in our very genes.

This is why people using biology to reason FAIL at understanding humanity, people take it too God damn far.

Some people just live content while not having kids and sterile, or they adopt a child. Some of us just don't give a flying shit about kids for no reason whatsoever other than "it doesn't fucking appeal to us". I mean, sometimes not wanting something or not looking for a cure to a disease has no logic for some people, because sometimes we just don't want it.

Circular logic. Then i can just as easily say that it is wrong just because it is.

[Land of Christ]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

[Imperium Sidhicum]

You really believe that the lot of these folks here would live up to their words and actually stand up for anybody repressed if there was any personal risk involved?

Knowing them as I do? Yeah.

I think it's safe to proclaim that 90% or more of them would not, starting to look for excuses the moment they learned that their support might result in verbal and physical violence against them, let alone arrest, imprisonment, torture or even death. And quite frankly, they would do the right thing, not sacrificing themselves for people they owe nothing to.

A baseless misrepresentation, to say the least.

So I find it really annoying that these same people who weren't there, who didn't do shit to help their beloved Vietnamese gays win their new privilege, and who most likely wouldn't have done anything even if they were present there, now blather big words like "progress" and "freedom" in a rather lame immitation of the demagogues that convinced them that they should even care about these issues.

More misrepresentation.

Maybe you happen to personally know a few of them who are genuine activists and would take risk to stand up for their beliefs.
But let's be honest, the majority of people here are just kids and young adults from Western countries, leading sheltered lives without a clue what genuine repression or persecution is. They just repeat what they've been hearing on TV and reading in school textbooks and news since early age, because their society expects them to, rewarding those who do with praise and condemning those who don't. But were their beliefs actually put to the test, I dare say only 5 in a hundred would pass.

Suppose they were suddenly cast under the reign of a totalitarian regime that banned and violently persecuted everything that wasn't ideologically orthodox. I'm pretty sure 15 would come out with their true colours, saying that they just wanted to fit in with the old society, and embrace the new system, 15 more would join them out of fear for their sorry lives, 50 would just grudgingly accept the situation and not speak out after seeing a few examples made of outspoken activists, 15 would protest to some degree until the regime eventually finds the right amount of repression to break their resolve, and only 5 would be ready to go all the way through and be martyred for their beliefs if necessary.

So I really disapprove of the idea that people whose convictions have never been tested loudly proclaim their support to a cause they haven't lifted a finger to actually support, and moreover, praise that cause after it has already scored success. How many actually took interest in supporting Vietnamese gays while they were still in the progress of gaining their marriage right? I'll guess - nobody, nobody would even care to find out if gays are having trouble in Vietnam and bring up the issue, only jumping on it for a free ride after it was already resolved and appeared on the news. I also think the majority of them pretend to care just because it's socially expected of them.

[Blasveck]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

First post, edgy, and the name.

Another winner!

We have too many today.

[Lost heros]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

Slavery was also apart of tradition. Should we go back and enslave those who are black?

[Shershah]

Yet murder is perfectly acceptable in war. The act is still the same. Only the circumstances change.

And?

The law is written by those in power. Nothing more nothing less. In the end it is still subjective.

I'm fully aware. I prefer the subjective views of those I voted for and those who are more intelligent & experienced over your boring, naive view.

You're doing an awful job at arguing your position.

Winning at an election doesn't require much intelligence. You just need to know how to "win over the mob".

Also imagine germans saying the same thing about hitler's views.

[Lost heros]

I would be flaming if I do, and possibly get banned because of it so nice lure, but I won't bite.

Words can't hurt anyone. They are just words.

Harmful words are against the rules here, but you clearly haven't bothered to read those yet.

Definition of paraphilia (n)

Bing Dictionary
par·a·phil·i·a [ pàrrə fíllee ə ]

need for unusual sexual stimulation: the need for an extreme or dangerous stimulus such as a sadistic or masochistic practice in order to achieve sexual arousal or orgasm

So you have no idea what homosexuality is.

"need for unusual sexual stimulation". There you go.

What is unusual about attraction to the same sex?

[Liriena]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

I see three assertions, yet no arguments.

[Starkiller101]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

Not everyone is going to agree with you buddy.

[Shershah]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

Slavery was also apart of tradition. Should we go back and enslave those who are black?

If the one enslaved have no problem with it, i don't see anything wrong with it.

Harmful words are against the rules here, but you clearly haven't bothered to read those yet.

What is unusual about attraction to the same sex?

I was referring more to his/her statement that they can me one cry with just words. I am not that sensitive.

And it is unusual because biology doesn't use that as the norm.

[Threlizdun]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

Gay marriage has been a tradition for longer than Christianity has. I suppose you're fine with abandoning that too.

[Blasveck]

Slavery was also apart of tradition. Should we go back and enslave those who are black?

If the one enslaved have no problem with it, i don't see anything wrong with it.

Harmful words are against the rules here, but you clearly haven't bothered to read those yet.

What is unusual about attraction to the same sex?

I was referring more to his/her statement that they can me one cry with just words. I am not that sensitive.

And it is unusual because biology doesn't use that as the norm.

"Biology" doesn't "use" anything.

Shit just happens, really.

[Stevenson 3]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

[Liriena]

Maybe you happen to personally know a few of them who are genuine activists and would take risk to stand up for their beliefs.
But let's be honest, the majority of people here are just kids and young adults from Western countries, leading sheltered lives without a clue what genuine repression or persecution is. They just repeat what they've been hearing on TV and reading in school textbooks and news since early age, because their society expects them to, rewarding those who do with praise and condemning those who don't. But were their beliefs actually put to the test, I dare say only 5 in a hundred would pass.

Disregarding the massive strawman this "argument" of yours is, it doesn't change the fact that your fellow posters here take their beliefs seriously, and see expressing their beliefs on a public forum as a fundamental part of exercising their human rights and furthering the cause of their ideologies. Your opinion on their origins or conviction is irrelevant, as is your cynical, edgy "fuck anyone who isn't me" attitude towards this issue. If you don't give a shit about this topic, don't post, and don't waste our time whining about other people caring about their fellow human beings, despite the distance, and wanting to express their support for the increasing recognition of human rights worldwide.

Suppose they were suddenly cast under the reign of a totalitarian regime that banned and violently persecuted everything that wasn't ideologically orthodox. I'm pretty sure 15 would come out with their true colours, saying that they just wanted to fit in with the old society, and embrace the new system, 15 more would join them out of fear for their sorry lives, 50 would just grudgingly accept the situation and not speak out after seeing a few examples made of outspoken activists, 15 would protest to some degree until the regime eventually finds the right amount of repression to break their resolve, and only 5 would be ready to go all the way through and be martyred for their beliefs if necessary.

Your biased speculation is just that: biased speculation. I could care less for your prejudices towards your fellow posters.

So I really disapprove of the idea that people whose convictions have never been tested loudly proclaim their support to a cause they haven't lifted a finger to actually support, and moreover, praise that cause after it has already scored success. How many actually took interest in supporting Vietnamese gays while they were still in the progress of gaining their marriage right? I'll guess - nobody, nobody would even care to find out if gays are having trouble in Vietnam and bring up the issue, only jumping on it for a free ride after it was already resolved and appeared on the news. I also think the majority of them pretend to care just because it's socially expected of them.

Bullshit. The topic of LGBT rights in Vietnam has already been brought up in previous threads, and discussed accordingly. That you didn't see it yourself is irrelevant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I would be flaming if I do, and possibly get banned because of it so nice lure, but I won't bite.

Words can't hurt anyone. They are just words.

This is why people using biology to reason FAIL at understanding humanity, people take it too God damn far.

Some people just live content while not having kids and sterile, or they adopt a child. Some of us just don't give a flying shit about kids for no reason whatsoever other than "it doesn't fucking appeal to us". I mean, sometimes not wanting something or not looking for a cure to a disease has no logic for some people, because sometimes we just don't want it.

Circular logic. Then i can just as easily say that it is wrong just because it is.

Then you would be making a flaw in logic, which would make you look bigoted against people who do not want any kids.

Also, fun fact! Remember how you go on and about the whole "it's hardwired" thing? Well, it is also "hardwired" into us to prefer our own children over someone else's. Yet my girlfriend has a child from someone else and I see him as a child I would like to raise on my own. How do you explain that through science, genius?

Also, you would be surprised at how little you know about words.

[The Emerald Dawn]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

The English language condemns you.

[Liriena]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

More baseless assertions.

[Threlizdun]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

You're creating too many puppets. You were already an obvious troll. Now it's worse. You didn't even bother choosing a flag.

[Liriena]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

The English language condemns you.

The power of Shakespeare compells you!

[Agritum]

thats not a wedding and shouldnt be acknowledged as one it wrong

You're creating too many puppets. You were already an obvious troll. Now it's worse. You didn't even bother choosing a flag.

To this guy's defense, he was founded back in October.

[Shershah]

"Biology" doesn't "use" anything.

Shit just happens, really.

"Natural selection"

[Stevenson 3]

blacks had to fight for their rights but faggots sit with dicks up their asses hoping to dull us up and to make us except them i
dont agree to it

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Gay marriage is a threat to traditional society and should be discouraged. Marriage is between a man and a woman

So, we should do away with Christianity because it is also a threat to traditional society and must be discouraged?

Good to know, I was getting pretty tired to appease fellow Christians anyways.

[Lost heros]

Slavery was also apart of tradition. Should we go back and enslave those who are black?

If the one enslaved have no problem with it, i don't see anything wrong with it.

You don't see any problem with removing any and all Rights and freedoms. Yeah, I can see why you're anti-gay. Also, your post had nothing to do with mine. Land of Christ was making an appeal to tradition, and I showed that some traditions are horrible, making your post completely irrelevant.

Harmful words are against the rules here, but you clearly haven't bothered to read those yet.

What is unusual about attraction to the same sex?

I was referring more to his/her statement that they can me one cry with just words. I am not that sensitive.

And it is unusual because biology doesn't use that as the norm.

I didn't read it like that.

An appeal to nature won't get you anywhere.
Also,in case your curious

[Blasveck]

"Biology" doesn't "use" anything.

Shit just happens, really.

"Natural selection"

Mutations are a thing.

And besides, having a gay population has a benefit to humanity anyways.