Gay Weddings Legalized in....wait, Vietnam?

[Tekania]

How is America behind Vietnam on this? People have been able to hold ceremonies in America without being fined for some time now. In fact, I'm unaware of people ever being legally penalized in the US for holding same-sex union type ceremonies which have no legal recognition. If anything, this is Vietnam catching up to the most backwards US states.

I misread the opening post, I'm sorry. However, it is on the level of, if I remember correctly, the majority of Us states right now in regards to this.

I think a lot of people have. This is not nearly as progressive as some people have painted it to be..... but I will say that it is relative progress at lest in the context of Vietnam. Still a ways to go on the issue for them (and for many US states for that matter too).

[Gaelic Celtia]

You live in Vietnam?

On the right hand side of my sig.

"Vietnamese, never lived elsewhere." Obviously, that makes me... well, you get the point.

Oh. Of course. Gah.

[Sun Wukong]

I'm not sure why people are so confused about this. Vietnam isn't that backwards.

[The Tovian Way]

http://english.vietnamnet.vn/fms/society/89082/same-sex-weddings-officially-permitted-in-vietnam.html

In 2012, two weddings of a gay and a lesbian couple were held in the southern provinces of Kien Giang and Ca Mau.

The local authorities intervened and imposed a fine on them, given that the weddings were "contrary to the habits and customs of Vietnam" and the Law on Marriage & Family of Vietnam, which bans marriage between persons of the same sex

However, according to Decree No. 110/2013/ND-CP which took effect on November 12, marriage between people of the same sex has been rejected from the banned cases of marriage. It means that the organization of wedding parties between people of the same sex (without marriage registration) will not be illegal any more and they will not have to pay fine.

The gay couples will have the right to live together and organize weddings.

So, yeah, apparently gay weddings are now legal in Vietnam.
Note that this is not legal marriage. Not yet, I'm sure.

What say ye, NSG?

So, they've legalized a voluntary association of individuals with no government acknowledgement or special privileges given whatsoever.
Good on Vietnam, this is all that any marriage should be, as far as the State is concerned.

[Mistelemr]

Civil rights. You know, those things you guys had a lot less of back when the Baltic region was firmly embraced by the loving arms of the Soviet Union.

I don't mind if people are gay or bi or whatever they are today but I am against same sex marriage.

This is a phenomenon I have never seen before.

Atheist, and yet against same-sex marriage.

Do explain your argument sir, for I would be most interested to hear it.

[Arglorand]

I don't mind if people are gay or bi or whatever they are today but I am against same sex marriage.

This is a phenomenon I have never seen before.

Atheist, and yet against same-sex marriage.

Do explain your argument sir, for I would be most interested to hear it.

I see it every day in Lithuania.

I can bet three bucks that the argument is either "squick" or "it's unnatural".

[Neo-Astaritin]

Civil rights. You know, those things you guys had a lot less of back when the Baltic region was firmly embraced by the loving arms of the Soviet Union.

I don't mind if people are gay or bi or whatever they are today but I am against same sex marriage.

May I ask why?

[The yoshin empire]

This is a phenomenon I have never seen before.

Atheist, and yet against same-sex marriage.

Do explain your argument sir, for I would be most interested to hear it.

I see it every day in Lithuania.

I can bet three bucks that the argument is either "squick" or "it's unnatural".

That or the old marriage is an outdated concept , so why would they want to get married.

[Belburg]

I don't mind if people are gay or bi or whatever they are today but I am against same sex marriage.

May I ask why?

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

[Sun Wukong]

May I ask why?

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

[Hurdegaryp]

May I ask why?

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

Love, perhaps? You know, just a wild guess. And last time I checked, there were quite a few people on this world already.

[Belburg]

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

[Immoren]

May I ask why?

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

Creation of famil doesn't require breeding.

[Immoren]

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

Why?

[Hurdegaryp]

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

You sure you're a militant atheist? You sound more like a religious fundamentalist, to be fair. Maybe you didn't think your opinions through too well...

[The yoshin empire]

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

You do understand that marriage gives benefites to both partners even when they dont have kids?

[Sun Wukong]

Which is why we don't let infertile men or elderly women get married.

And why we annul the marriages of all couples that decide not to have children.

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

So marriage, in your view, is a breeding contract?

How... well, it's not even regressive, is it? Stupid. Blind to the complexities of human relationships. And deliberately obstinate in it's ignorance.

[Imperium of the Gliusor Species]

Wow. Congratulations, Vietnam!

[Starkiller101]

Gay marriage in vietnam is great congratulations

[Belburg]

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

So marriage, in your view, is a breeding contract?

How... well, it's not even regressive, is it? Stupid. Blind to the complexities of human relationships. And deliberately obstinate in it's ignorance.

I mean there are couples who are lived over 10 years together without being married.

[Sun Wukong]

Because only man and women can get children together. What's the point of marriage if creating family is not a goal.

Creation of famil doesn't require breeding.

At first, I read that as "Creation of a tamil."

Which was a curious thought. I imagined them popping out of the earth like Orcs.

[Belburg]

So they should be divorced if they don't want to have children.

You sure you're a militant atheist? You sound more like a religious fundamentalist, to be fair. Maybe you didn't think your opinions through too well...

I have my own values. I don't need Jesus to tell me what to do.

[Sun Wukong]

So marriage, in your view, is a breeding contract?

How... well, it's not even regressive, is it? Stupid. Blind to the complexities of human relationships. And deliberately obstinate in it's ignorance.

I mean there are couples who are lived over 10 years together without being married.

And there are married people who have lived over ten years together without breeding. What's your point?

[Ishkken]

Vietnam what are you doing

Joining the other civilized and progressive countries in the 21st Century, that's what.

[Belburg]

I mean there are couples who are lived over 10 years together without being married.

And there are married people who have lived over ten years together without breeding. What's your point?

What's the point of marriage at all? Man does hard work and then one day woman will take the house and car.