Gay Weddings Legalized in....wait, Vietnam?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

1. Which is based on known facts and logic (just like science), unlike your thoughts on this subject.

2. Its not a "craze", any more than the Civil Rights Movement was a "craze".

1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.

1: I would disagree with your statement that logic doesn't exist. Logic is use of reason and is important to everyday life.

2:Would you care to give an opinion why you disagree? The Civil Rights Movement was about African American rights, the modern day LGBT rights groups are about LGBT rights. Not much of a difference, really.

[Shershah]

Good and bad are subjective.

WHAT? I'm so done right now. You said that sense homosexuality isn't the norm, it's therefore not normal (same thing as unnatural) and since to you something that is not natural is NOT GOOD that means homosexuality is not good to you.

You just contradicted you're self on such a major level, I think you should just concede.

I fail to see the contradiction.

There are no words to explain how wrong you are. I don't even know where to begin in debunking everything wrong with your statement.

You can't debunk it, because his statement is not just wrong. It's beyond right or wrong. It's the very epitome of bullshit, the likes of which I have not witnessed ever since the last time Right-Wing Watch posted a vid of Glenn Beck's ramblings.

Feel free to create a thread and i shall explain in detail.

[Liriena]

Foot, meet mouth.

You can fit your entire foot in your mouth ? and you can bring your leg up like that ? Impressive.

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

[Olthar]

1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist.

Awesome!

*jumps out the window and flies away towards the sunsets*

[Shershah]

1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist. But that would cause another derailment so i will leave it at that.

2) I respectfully disagree.

1: I would disagree with your statement that logic doesn't exist. Logic is use of reason and is important to everyday life.

2:Would you care to give an opinion why you disagree? The Civil Rights Movement was about African American rights, the modern day LGBT rights groups are about LGBT rights. Not much of a difference, really.

1) And different people reason differently. So what is logical to one need not be logical to another.

2) For starters I consider LGBT to be mental disorders, but african americans are just a race of people.

[Liriena]

WHAT? I'm so done right now. You said that sense homosexuality isn't the norm, it's therefore not normal (same thing as unnatural) and since to you something that is not natural is NOT GOOD that means homosexuality is not good to you.

You just contradicted you're self on such a major level, I think you should just concede.

I fail to see the contradiction.

Denial is sweet, isn't it?

You can't debunk it, because his statement is not just wrong. It's beyond right or wrong. It's the very epitome of bullshit, the likes of which I have not witnessed ever since the last time Right-Wing Watch posted a vid of Glenn Beck's ramblings.

Feel free to create a thread and i shall explain in detail.

No, I refuse to give you, of all people, a soap-box on which you may stand and parrot your incoherent ramblings.

[Liriena]

1) When you get right down to it, everything is an opinion. And logic doesn't really exist.

Awesome!

*jumps out the window and flies away towards the sunsets*

*salutes favourite futa-fan from afar*

[Shershah]

You can fit your entire foot in your mouth ? and you can bring your leg up like that ? Impressive.

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

[Pandeeria]

WHAT? I'm so done right now. You said that sense homosexuality isn't the norm, it's therefore not normal (same thing as unnatural) and since to you something that is not natural is NOT GOOD that means homosexuality is not good to you.

You just contradicted you're self on such a major level, I think you should just concede.

I fail to see the contradiction.

You said good and bad are subjective. Yet you're saying that homosexuality is bad (which according to YOU is subjective) because it's unnatural (which is also subjective, and wrong).

You destroyed, and contradicted you're own argument. You made your own argument moot.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

1: I would disagree with your statement that logic doesn't exist. Logic is use of reason and is important to everyday life.

2:Would you care to give an opinion why you disagree? The Civil Rights Movement was about African American rights, the modern day LGBT rights groups are about LGBT rights. Not much of a difference, really.

1) And different people reason differently. So what is logical to one need not be logical to another.

2) For starters I consider LGBT to be mental disorders, but african americans are just a race of people.

1: A rational statement, but logic nonetheless does exist regardless of how different people see it.

2: That still doesn't explain why you disagree with the fact that they are/were both 'crazes'. Back in the 60s, everyone in the United States obsessed over African American equality. Nowadays, a lot of people care about LGBT rights. Ain't really much of a difference; just two different groups making popular political efforts to bring equality to their group.

[Lost heros]

1: I would disagree with your statement that logic doesn't exist. Logic is use of reason and is important to everyday life.

2:Would you care to give an opinion why you disagree? The Civil Rights Movement was about African American rights, the modern day LGBT rights groups are about LGBT rights. Not much of a difference, really.

1) And different people reason differently. So what is logical to one need not be logical to another.

2) For starters I consider LGBT to be mental disorders, but african americans are just a race of people.

2) Shershah: LGBT are mental disorders
Some other person: Are there any scientific papers to support that claim?
Shershah: No, because all scientists are cowards who are too afraid of losing their jobs to come out with the truth.

[Liriena]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

You said "nature" was your source. Hard to backpedal from that.

Do us a favour and never come back.

[Lost heros]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

We accept your concession.

[Neo Rome Republic]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

Nature is simply everything within the universe and it's natural laws. Homosexuals and homosexual acts are part of nature, therefore they are natural.

[Pandeeria]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I will take this as a concession.

[Liriena]

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.

I take it as a sugar-coated rage-quit.

[New haven america]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

First you're saying Homosexuality is bad
But Homosexuality is part of nature
And nature is neither good or bad
Hence, Homosexuality is neither good bad

You just destroyed your own argument.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

You used "nature" as your source for your claims, yet when you got called out on the fact that appealing to nature is a fallacy, you proceeded to stuff your own foot in your mouth (or shoot yourself in the foot, whichever metaphor suits your tastes) by saying that "good and bad are subjective", thus nullifying your earlier claim that the natural norm is the sole legitimate criteria to determine what is and what is not acceptable.

In other words, buddy, you just butchered your own argument. Congratulations.

Not really, nature is just what it is. It need not be good or bad. I have never implied or said otherwise. So better luck next time. Anyway see you later as i gtg now.

Eh, well. I was hoping we'd be able to change his opinions on homosexuality. Unfortunately, that ain't gonna happen now.

[Pandeeria]

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.

I take it as a sugar-coated rage-quit.

Yeah, I bet a ton of people who say that they "have to go" really just realized they lost and left. It even appears that he is still online.

[Shershah]

You said good and bad are subjective. Yet you're saying that homosexuality is bad (which according to YOU is subjective) because it's unnatural (which is also subjective, and wrong).

You destroyed, and contradicted you're own argument. You made your own argument moot.

Unnatural is not subjective and it is not wrong. I have already stated why.

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.

Na, in your dreams.

Nature is simply everything within the universe and it's natural laws. Homosexuals and homosexual acts are part of nature, therefore they are natural.

Congratz on taking things out of context and a fail logic and failing to understand that words have different meanings.

You said "nature" was your source. Hard to backpedal from that.

Do us a favour and never come back.

1) And the point still stands.
2) Going to disappoint you. I am just taking a break. I will be back

[Liriena]

You said good and bad are subjective. Yet you're saying that homosexuality is bad (which according to YOU is subjective) because it's unnatural (which is also subjective, and wrong).

You destroyed, and contradicted you're own argument. You made your own argument moot.

Unnatural is not subjective and it is not wrong. I have already stated why.

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.

Na, in your dreams.

Nature is simply everything within the universe and it's natural laws. Homosexuals and homosexual acts are part of nature, therefore they are natural.

Congratz on taking things out of context and a fail logic and failing to understand that words have different meanings.

You said "nature" was your source. Hard to backpedal from that.

Do us a favour and never come back.

1) And the point still stands.
2) Going to disappoint you. I am just taking a break. I will be back

Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?

[Neo Rome Republic]

You said good and bad are subjective. Yet you're saying that homosexuality is bad (which according to YOU is subjective) because it's unnatural (which is also subjective, and wrong).

You destroyed, and contradicted you're own argument. You made your own argument moot.

Unnatural is not subjective and it is not wrong. I have already stated why.

Due to the fact that you haven't really even debated properly, haven't provided any sources, and have contradicted you're on such a massive level, I might just take this as a concession.

Na, in your dreams.

Nature is simply everything within the universe and it's natural laws. Homosexuals and homosexual acts are part of nature, therefore they are natural.

Congratz on taking things out of context and a fail logic and failing to understand that words have different meanings.

You said "nature" was your source. Hard to backpedal from that.

Do us a favour and never come back.

1) And the point still stands.
2) Going to disappoint you. I am just taking a break. I will be back

Then elaborate on what you meant, rather than acting like an immature douche-bag.

[Shershah]

Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?

Don't lose hope. Maybe.......

Then elaborate on what you meant, rather than acting like an immature douche-bag.

*whispers: "No"

[Geilinor]

1: I would disagree with your statement that logic doesn't exist. Logic is use of reason and is important to everyday life.

2:Would you care to give an opinion why you disagree? The Civil Rights Movement was about African American rights, the modern day LGBT rights groups are about LGBT rights. Not much of a difference, really.

2) For starters I consider LGBT to be mental disorders

You're still ignoring our sources?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Unnatural is not subjective and it is not wrong. I have already stated why.



Na, in your dreams.



Congratz on taking things out of context and a fail logic and failing to understand that words have different meanings.



1) And the point still stands.
2) Going to disappoint you. I am just taking a break. I will be back

Will you ever grow a bit of intellectual honesty and provide sources for your lies?

You know, you could refute his claims instead of demanding sources. I highly disagree with him(and so does every credible scientist in the past several decades), but the least you could do is offer a counter-point to his claims.