Could Hitler win WWII IF... he had divine foresight...

[Jerusalemian]

Blasphemy!
Teh Lurd forsaked Germany after Wurld war one!

[Souseiseki]

the fuck? how is he going to get it? and seriously, divine?

i hate to get all jews are the chosen people here but i really doubt that god (as we imagine him) would be down for that

[Solaray]

If he didn't invade Russia, the soviets would've allied with Germany.

But fascism is vehemently anti Communist, and the bulk of the Russian army was short brown people from east Russia. Its why they're tanks are so short.

Stalinism was more akin to fascism than actual communism anyway. Although I agree that they still never would have allied. Maybe used each other, but a betrayal would happen shortly after victory.

[Souseiseki]

Well, If He Ended his alliance with Japan, Then he could avoid getting America in the war... But the Soviets would crush him.

If he didn't invade Russia, the soviets would've allied with Germany.

well, you see, the problem with this is that the thread would have to be "Could Germany win WWII IF... Hitler didn't exist..."

because anyone that seriously believes that hitler would seriously jump in bed with the jewish bolshevik untermenance taking up the lebensraum for any prolonged period of time really doesn't "get" hitler (and yes, i know about poland)

[Ursymnia]

But fascism is vehemently anti Communist, and the bulk of the Russian army was short brown people from east Russia. Its why they're tanks are so short.

Stalinism was more akin to fascism than actual communism anyway. Although I agree that they still never would have allied. Maybe used each other, but a betrayal would happen shortly after victory.

Even that was pretty sketchy. Germany actually considered making a truce with the u.s. and u.k. so he could effectively fight the then massive red army.

[Dangelia]

Not true, if he had Russia, he wouldn't have fought a war on two fronts, he could've focused much more troops, and money into France and Britain.

I'm saying if he invaded (which is what I thought you meant by "he would've beaten Russia"). I don't think any nation has successfully attacked Moscow from the west.. Ever..

That's because both Hitler and Napoleon attacked during the winter months. Hitler lost valuable time because he decided to attack Yugoslavia. If he focused first on Russia, he would've finished off Russia before the winter months came in.

[Liriena]

Nope. He was up against Britain, the Soviet Union and the United States. Against the combined economic and military might of those three, not even an all-knowing Hitler could have won.

[God Kefka]

No... the devil is not in the details here...

Of course it's not, because your entire scenario is woefully inadequate.

What do the angelic hordes do? Do they descend to the Eastern Front and aid the Wehrmacht in their struggle against the godless Soviets? Surely the Archangel Gabriel would descend down out of Heaven to minister to the Allied High Command about the error of their ways and unite with the blessed Nazi forces against the atheistic, demonic forces of the proletarian abyss. Of course, if that happens, the Devil's allies in the Red Army would surely summon infernal allies of their own to even the playing field.

Jeez, do they not teach this stuff in Conjuring 101 anymore?

Avenio... you don't make up the rules for this thread or set up the scenario...

I do.

You are welcome to start a new thread if you want to suggest your alternative scenario...

[United Tiberia]

pretty sure Hitler already had a history book warning him about Russia and that was called Napoleon's biography....

[Dangelia]

Nope. He was up against Britain, the Soviet Union and the United States. Against the combined economic and military might of those three, not even an all-knowing Hitler could have won.

That's why if he had the Soviets on his side (which he did until he invaded them), he would've stood as a much more formidable enemy to the Allies.

[Benuty]

Nope. He was up against Britain, the Soviet Union and the United States. Against the combined economic and military might of those three, not even an all-knowing Hitler could have won.

This would imply US-Japanese relations deteriorating to the point of the strategic resources embargo (and the result mass attacks on Indonesia, British legations in China, and Pearl Harbor).

[Dangelia]

pretty sure Hitler already had a history book warning him about Russia and that was called Napoleon's biography....

[Benuty]

pretty sure Hitler already had a history book warning him about Russia and that was called Napoleon's biography....

Wouldn't have been enough considering Napoleon didn't have machine guns, tanks, bombers, and fighter planes.

[Liriena]

Nope. He was up against Britain, the Soviet Union and the United States. Against the combined economic and military might of those three, not even an all-knowing Hitler could have won.

This would imply US-Japanese relations deteriorating to the point of the strategic resources embargo (and the result mass attacks on Indonesia, British legations in China, and Pearl Harbor).

Yes, or Germany making the same mistake it did in 1917 and sink the wrong country's ships.

[Liriena]

Wouldn't have been enough considering Napoleon didn't have machine guns, tanks, bombers, and fighter planes.

Indeed. Napoleon only had to worry about food and dry gunpowder.
Hitler also had to worry about heavy-industry supplies and oil.

[Avenio]

Of course it's not, because your entire scenario is woefully inadequate.

What do the angelic hordes do? Do they descend to the Eastern Front and aid the Wehrmacht in their struggle against the godless Soviets? Surely the Archangel Gabriel would descend down out of Heaven to minister to the Allied High Command about the error of their ways and unite with the blessed Nazi forces against the atheistic, demonic forces of the proletarian abyss. Of course, if that happens, the Devil's allies in the Red Army would surely summon infernal allies of their own to even the playing field.

Jeez, do they not teach this stuff in Conjuring 101 anymore?

Avenio... you don't make up the rules for this thread or set up the scenario...

I do.

You are welcome to start a new thread if you want to suggest your alternative scenario...

Hey, don't pin your scenario's holes on me. I just filled in the blanks with as much rational extrapolation as I could.

[Imperializt Russia]

If he didn't invade Russia, the soviets would've allied with Germany.

Presuming that happened, Britain, The US, and their allies would have one hell of a fight on their hands.

Russia and Germany had a non-aggression pact, not a mutual defence pact.
In fact, the pact kept Russia out of war in Europe.

[Solaray]

Stalinism was more akin to fascism than actual communism anyway. Although I agree that they still never would have allied. Maybe used each other, but a betrayal would happen shortly after victory.

Even that was pretty sketchy. Germany actually considered making a truce with the u.s. and u.k. so he could effectively fight the then massive red army.

Not only was the Red Army so huge, but the Wehrmacht had no experience fighting in such a cold place. Many froze to death in Russia.

[God Kefka]

the fuck? how is he going to get it? and seriously, divine?

i hate to get all jews are the chosen people here but i really doubt that god (as we imagine him) would be down for that

Just imagine for a second that Hitler was correct about his mission being in accordance with the will of God after all for the purposes of the OP...

The Jews did refuse to recognize Jesus and turned on him so... I think it's in character.

[God Kefka]

Avenio... you don't make up the rules for this thread or set up the scenario...

I do.

You are welcome to start a new thread if you want to suggest your alternative scenario...

Hey, don't pin your scenario's holes on me. I just filled in the blanks with as much rational extrapolation as I could.

Nope, you were just overstepping your jurisdiction by trying to change what the OP was saying when you had zero authority to do so.

[Imperializt Russia]

Even that was pretty sketchy. Germany actually considered making a truce with the u.s. and u.k. so he could effectively fight the then massive red army.

Not only was the Red Army so huge, but the Wehrmacht had no experience fighting in such a cold place. Many froze to death in Russia.

Thanks to Stalin, the Red Army only had size.
He'd killed all the officers who understood tactics and strategy, especially the thinking behind Soviet Deep Battle, a revolutionary all-arms doctrine that introduced an "Operational" level of organisation.

[United Tiberia]

Wouldn't have been enough considering Napoleon didn't have machine guns, tanks, bombers, and fighter planes.

true but it would warn him about the Russian winter combined with the classic Russian tactic of burn and retreat, then let the invaders starve and freeze every winter while fighting hit and run battles

[Estado Paulista]

the fuck? how is he going to get it? and seriously, divine?

i hate to get all jews are the chosen people here but i really doubt that god (as we imagine him) would be down for that

Just imagine for a second that Hitler was correct about his mission being in accordance with the will of God after all for the purposes of the OP...

The Jews did refuse to recognize Jesus and turned on him so... I think it's in character.

srls dude

srls

where do you want to get?

[Solaray]

Not only was the Red Army so huge, but the Wehrmacht had no experience fighting in such a cold place. Many froze to death in Russia.

Thanks to Stalin, the Red Army only had size.
He'd killed all the officers who understood tactics and strategy, especially the thinking behind Soviet Deep Battle, a revolutionary all-arms doctrine that introduced an "Operational" level of organisation.

Size is really all you need when you have absolutely no regard for the lives of your soldiers, sending them into battle as massive, unstoppable, suicide bulldozers. Add an enemy that's freezing to death just trying to get near your lines, and the Soviets win.

[Dangelia]

Presuming that happened, Britain, The US, and their allies would have one hell of a fight on their hands.

Russia and Germany had a non-aggression pact, not a mutual defence pact.
In fact, the pact kept Russia out of war in Europe.

Yes, but Russia and Germany were good allies, and Russia would've been more than willing to join the war. How do you think Germany got their tanks? From the Russians!