Could Hitler win WWII IF... he had divine foresight...

[Shofercia]

Although they were more effective than other units, they were nowhere close to breaking the salient. They managed to breach the first line of defense. That was it. The second and third defensive lines held. As I said earlier, we got too excited, and attacked to earlier, otherwise Kursk would've been an even bigger victory.

According to a book I just remembered I had (as well as where it was located) entitled Kursk - History's Greatest Tank Battle by Nik Cornish, this is factually untrue.
What you seem to be getting confused with is that the Germans only managed to breach the first line on the first day - which is true, and indeed, the northern prong of the advance under Mödel never got any further.
The southern prong (the one with the SS Panzer Army) actually penetrated considerably further, according to this source, which matches my general knowledge of the battle gleaned from other sources, it declares that the southern part of the offensive managed to smash part the first line, and then grind their way through the second line (from what I can tell, dictated by the line of the River Psel) by means of the Oboyan-Belgorod road, through the Guards tank divisions, with the ultimate outcome being that by the dawn of 7th July, the road had been seized. In his words, "despite their bravery, the Guards tanks were thrust aside and withdrew...Now Hausser found himself in an interesting position. Having broken the second Soviet defensive belt, the route to Prokhorovka (the anchor, as I understand, of the third line) was open..." (pg. 114-115, parentheses mine).
As we both know, the Germans were barely turned back by the arrival of the Russian reserves at Prokhorovka. it's fair to say the first line was breached, the SS Panzer Army under Hausser breached the second line in the south, and the battle turned upon the arrival of Rotmistrov's people at Prokhorovka, without which the third line may very well have broken.

But to say the Germans "only breached the first line" at all, according to all of my sources, is simply not correct.

By breaching a defensive line, I meant breaching an entire defensive line, not just parts of it. The breach by Nazis fell apart, and even if they would've made it to the third defensive line, they'd run into fresh Red Army reserves. You have to keep in mind that the Red Army kept an entire Front in Reserve at Kursk.

On top of that, the Red Army was cutting their teeth on the "wunderwaffen", whereas by the time of Normandy for the Allies, and Operation Bagration for the Soviets, the tactics to fighting the "wunderwaffen" were already well developed.

...What? The wunderwaffen translates generally to jet aircraft, the electric subs, and the V-weapons, neither of which the Russians ever had to contend with in any numbers at all.
Unless you mean stuff like King Tigers and StG44s, which I think both sides got hit with equally and which barely count anyways.

I meant the Tigers, Elephants and Panthers, which were first used on a mass scale by Nazis at Kursk.

[The Holy Therns]

Everything happens as in the original timeline... however, within days AFTER the launching of Operation Barbarossa Hitler, in a dream, gets a vision from God telling him that when he wakes up he will find a book warning him about his impending doom if he does not ''change his ways.''

Hitler wakes up from this vivid dream and on his table was a copy of the American Pageant US History textbook. He has it translated and finds that there are several chapters in there about what happened in ''World War II.'' He learns in the general language of the book, that there is this narrative where he will invade Russia, lose at Stalingrad, Japan will launch some kind of Pearl Harbor nonsense, D-Day will happen etc

This is a general history textbook so it only covers the big events, nothing in minute details.

Now the question is... what happens at this point?

Does Hitler dismiss the textbook as being some kind of a prank (despite the dream) and proceed to fight the war as he did in OTL and still lose?

Does he take some of the book seriously, treat it as a divine map to the future, and do things differently from this point onward (change his diplomatic strategy, fight different battles in Russia etc)? This is the more interesting scenario.

Keep in mind that he's already invaded Russia but the rest of it hasn't happened yet...

Could he change the outcome of history and win WWII or at least get some kind of peace in his favor?

Keep in mind that this is Hitler we are dealing (he can be awfully stubborn and sometimes quite stupid). What happens now?

Speculate on how history may play out differently...

A better question is: With divine foresight, would you still have made this insane thread?

[Benuty]

Everything happens as in the original timeline... however, within days AFTER the launching of Operation Barbarossa Hitler, in a dream, gets a vision from God telling him that when he wakes up he will find a book warning him about his impending doom if he does not ''change his ways.''

Hitler wakes up from this vivid dream and on his table was a copy of the American Pageant US History textbook. He has it translated and finds that there are several chapters in there about what happened in ''World War II.'' He learns in the general language of the book, that there is this narrative where he will invade Russia, lose at Stalingrad, Japan will launch some kind of Pearl Harbor nonsense, D-Day will happen etc

This is a general history textbook so it only covers the big events, nothing in minute details.

Now the question is... what happens at this point?

Does Hitler dismiss the textbook as being some kind of a prank (despite the dream) and proceed to fight the war as he did in OTL and still lose?

Does he take some of the book seriously, treat it as a divine map to the future, and do things differently from this point onward (change his diplomatic strategy, fight different battles in Russia etc)? This is the more interesting scenario.

Keep in mind that he's already invaded Russia but the rest of it hasn't happened yet...

Could he change the outcome of history and win WWII or at least get some kind of peace in his favor?

Keep in mind that this is Hitler we are dealing (he can be awfully stubborn and sometimes quite stupid). What happens now?

Speculate on how history may play out differently...

A better question is: With divine foresight, would you still have made this insane thread?

Would you have still asked this question?

[Shofercia]

First, you stated that Russia only has one port. I cited two.

Uh yes, I already conceded that point.

Second, they're both warm water ports.

Are they? This says:

Nakhodka (nəkhôtˈkə) [key], city (1989 pop. 160,000), Russian Far East, c.20 mi (32 km) E of Vladivostok, on the Sea of Japan. A port city with fewer winter ice problems than Vladivostok [...]

Which cites a recent encyclopedia. Now I'm confused; I thought Vladivostok was closed part of the year... Hm... other sources say it is a warm-water port. The things one learns from AH threads on NSG...

Third, during the time period in question, the Vostochnuy Port could have been built.

Like I said: whatever... new port, expanded part of an existing port... that's hairsplitting. It's one of the many reasons AH doesn't usually interest me.

Fourth, Stalin had no issues moving population, so underpopulation wouldn't have been a problem.

My lack of specificity: I meant along the length of the Trans-Siberian Railroad. If that's what you're proposing, I'm having trouble believing it's practical.

Fifth, Nazis tried to sabotage Soviet railroads, repeatedly. And sometimes they succeeded. But Soviets quickly repaired the railroads, and trains kept on running.

Now we're back to precience. I don't know the book the OP refers to -- never heard of it before -- so I don't know if it mentions that. (I didn't know that; I thought their raids were restricted to further west.) If the Germans knew that in another timeline that they had hit the Trans Siberian Railroad, but the Russians put it back together, they'd hit it harder. Or differently. Or found a different way to interrupt trade.

Sixth, the ports are fairly close together, so having one could've easily led to building another.

Far as I know, Nakhoda has been a port city since the 19th century. If it wasn't, fine: I'll concede the whole point. I'll have blown it. (But I'm leaving the Boromir send-up regardless. )

At least according to Wikipedia, the Soviets also built the railroad line to Sovetskya Gavan during the war, which is a better example, since I can't find any evidence that the port existed before then. So, I'll throw in the towel: there was at least one other place they could have built a port. Color me very surprised.

Seventh, the Soviets and Japanese had a non-aggression pact.

I didn't say otherwise. If you're refering to "blockaded", I meant it as a general point about the location on the Sea of Japan: there's a couple of chokepoints north and south of Japan that trade from the whole area has to pass through. (Also narrow straits between the Japanese islands, but I think that's worse for moving ships, even if the Japanese are friendly.)

It's part of the overall idea that Russia would really like other ports in the Far East, but the other locations suck. For example, the fastest way to the sea from the Trans-Siberian Railroad would be be a port in Chumikan (on the sort of cut-in corner of the Sea of Okhotsk). But it's ice-bound part of the year, and AFAICT the valley is swampy, and the mountains are pretty rugged. So they didn't build a major port there. The Russians tried Nikolayevsk as a major port, and then gave it up because the Amur delta is such a pain to navigate.

You could think that they're frozen during winter, but that's inaccurate: http://www.vmtp.ru/en/

Commercial Port of Vladivostok is located on north-west of the ice-free Golden Horn Bay. It was founded in 1897. Coordinates: in lat 43°07' N and long 131°53' E. Harbor approach depth is more than 30 m. The call sign is “Vladivostok-Port Control” on channel VHF 67. Year-round navigation. The time zone: GMT +11 hours. There are stevedore, agency, freight-forwarding, towage, surveying, tally and other companies in the port that provide a wide range of services complying with International standards.

http://www.vpnet.ru/eng/geo/main_geo.htm

Geographical coordinates: 42 degree 46 minutes of northern latitude; 133 degree 3 minutes of east longitude. Difference in the time with Moscow is +7 hours. Vostochny Port is located in the south of Primorsky Region, in the southeast of Nakhodka bay, in Vrangel bay. This is unique natural harbor is no ice restrictions even in severe winters. The natural depths up to 22m in the navigating channel are enough to accommodate vessels with 150,000 tons DW. Due to the sloping shores and absence of settlements closely to the port it has a unique opportunity to be constantly developed. Vostochny Port is joined with most important main roads of Russia by a highway and a railway. The pre-port railway station "Nakhodka-Vostochnay" connects the port with the Trans-Siberian Railway, which together with Vostochny Port forms the unique transport bridge between the Europe and Asia. The territory of Primorsky Region has advantageous strategic position. It's a sea gate of Russia on the markets of China, Japan and other countries of Asia-Pacific Region. For this reason the Primorsky Region is attractive to investments. Due to convenient location, favorable natural conditions and the developed transport infrastructure Vostochny Port is high competitive in the freight market and interesting for cooperation.

The Road of Life was also deemed unpractical. It worked. Are you saying that this is less practical than the Road of Life? During warfare, Russians pull miracles. We simply do. And the unpractical becomes the practical. Also, in terms of a different timeline, don't you think that Soviets would change their actions if Nazis changed their actions? Because that's just how it works.

In terms of Nakhodka, it was indeed founded in the nineteenth century. However, it was your average village, or arguably village town, and in 1950, only had a population of 28,000. However, between 1950 and 1970, the population increased 3.7 times. The Vostochnuy Port was built in the twentieth century.

[Ozzy]

Hell no.

No matter how swift and powerful German attacks are, the Axis Powers could never win due to the success of America's Manhatten project. I read it in a What-if scenario from a magazine explaining the success of Japanese and German campaigns, only to be trumped by Allied Atomic weaponry. Maybe it would prevented the War overall if Hitler foresaw Germany's fate as a Slavic partitioned radioactive hellhole before developing any ideas of burning the Reichstag.

[Shofercia]

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The main failing in the Stalingrad campaign - really in most of the 3rd Reich's campaigns - was that Hitler couldn't keep from messing with the plans. After the successes of the early part of the war, he was convinced that he knew better than all his generals. He didn't.

Indeed. I wonder whether Hitler's non-interference in Stalingrad could have brought the Germans victory there.

Nope. Blitzkrieg tactics failed at Stalingrad, and the "superior" race failed to innovate. Without Hitler's non-interference, more Nazis could've gotten out, but the Battle of Stalingrad would still be lost by Nazis.

-snip-

A better question is: With divine foresight, would you still have made this insane thread?

Zing!

[Farnhamia]

Indeed. I wonder whether Hitler's non-interference in Stalingrad could have brought the Germans victory there.

Nope. Blitzkrieg tactics failed at Stalingrad, and the "superior" race failed to innovate. Without Hitler's non-interference, more Nazis could've gotten out, but the Battle of Stalingrad would still be lost by Nazis.

Had Hitler allowed his generals to run the war, the Battle of Stalingrad might not have even taken place. All of which is neither here nor there, since he didn't and it did.

[Old Tyrannia]

the fuck? how is he going to get it? and seriously, divine?

i hate to get all jews are the chosen people here but i really doubt that god (as we imagine him) would be down for that

Just imagine for a second that Hitler was correct about his mission being in accordance with the will of God after all for the purposes of the OP...

The Jews did refuse to recognize Jesus and turned on him so... I think it's in character.

Hitler was an atheist. He certainly didn't believe his mission to be in accordance with the will of God.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

According to a book I just remembered I had (as well as where it was located) entitled Kursk - History's Greatest Tank Battle by Nik Cornish, this is factually untrue.
What you seem to be getting confused with is that the Germans only managed to breach the first line on the first day - which is true, and indeed, the northern prong of the advance under Mödel never got any further.
The southern prong (the one with the SS Panzer Army) actually penetrated considerably further, according to this source, which matches my general knowledge of the battle gleaned from other sources, it declares that the southern part of the offensive managed to smash part the first line, and then grind their way through the second line (from what I can tell, dictated by the line of the River Psel) by means of the Oboyan-Belgorod road, through the Guards tank divisions, with the ultimate outcome being that by the dawn of 7th July, the road had been seized. In his words, "despite their bravery, the Guards tanks were thrust aside and withdrew...Now Hausser found himself in an interesting position. Having broken the second Soviet defensive belt, the route to Prokhorovka (the anchor, as I understand, of the third line) was open..." (pg. 114-115, parentheses mine).
As we both know, the Germans were barely turned back by the arrival of the Russian reserves at Prokhorovka. it's fair to say the first line was breached, the SS Panzer Army under Hausser breached the second line in the south, and the battle turned upon the arrival of Rotmistrov's people at Prokhorovka, without which the third line may very well have broken.

But to say the Germans "only breached the first line" at all, according to all of my sources, is simply not correct.

By breaching a defensive line, I meant breaching an entire defensive line, not just parts of it. The breach by Nazis fell apart, and even if they would've made it to the third defensive line, they'd run into fresh Red Army reserves. You have to keep in mind that the Red Army kept an entire Front in Reserve at Kursk.

I beg your pardon, but that's clearly moving the goalposts and a ridiculous definition of the term "breach". A breach in one part of the line, 99% of the time, is equal to a breach everywhere - that's how a defensive line works. Google defines breach:
"a gap in a wall, barrier, or defense, esp. one made by an attacking army."
All it takes is making a gap,not an entire structural collapse, which the Germans did at the first line, at the second line, and nearly did at the third line. Had they broken the third line, would it really have mattered? Probably not, admittedly.
And the breach in the south didn't "fall apart", it was fought back.
Again, to say they "only breached the first line" is factually incorrect by the actual facts of the battle and by the definition of the word "breach".

...What? The wunderwaffen translates generally to jet aircraft, the electric subs, and the V-weapons, neither of which the Russians ever had to contend with in any numbers at all.
Unless you mean stuff like King Tigers and StG44s, which I think both sides got hit with equally and which barely count anyways.

I meant the Tigers, Elephants and Panthers, which were first used on a mass scale by Nazis at Kursk.

Those vehicles were not counted as "wonder weapons" in literally any source I've ever seen - especially Elefants, which everyone thought were ridiculous and didn't even work (not much of a wonder weapon to not even have a machine-gun to defend itself from infantry). there was nothing new about the Tiger or Panther; they were just (in theory) better tanks than those that had came before. The Elefant was literally just mounting a bigger gun than usual on a tank carriage - nothing new about that.
Wonder weapons were the weapons that were supposed to be some sort of massive scientific advance or paradigm shift in warfare - directly, stuff like the V-2 or V-3, or indirectly, German subs that didn't need to resurface for weeks, or atomic weapons, or things like that.
While the wiki isn't perfect, they have a (fairly generous) list on there of what was considered a wonder weapon, and none of those three vehicles are listed there. In fact, the vast, vast majority of the things listed there, Russia never had to contend with in any numbers at all.

[Indira]

Assuming he believes the book to be true, he could extend the war by a few years, possibly negotiate a settlement with USSR and the Allies, BUT just how long would you suspect that knowledge of this history book would remain solely in the hands of Hitler and Nazi Germany? I mean, it's not like the Allies didn't have any intelligence agents in Germany at the time

[DrakoLand]

Yes, cause D-Day was what won the war... pfff
And why the f* does it have to be an American te- oh f it.

The answer is yes, if Hitler knew about all that he would obviously be unstoppable, hopefully launching Gertdude at some point.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Yes, cause D-Day was what won the war... pfff
And why the f* does it have to be an American te- oh f it.

The answer is yes, if Hitler knew about all that he would obviously be unstoppable, hopefully launching Gertdude at some point.

...Actually, even taking the ridiculous OP at its word...he still would have been really easy to stop. He would've been the exact same megalomaniac ruling a fundamentally very flawed state, so he would've been stopped, just not in the same way as it played out in history. Germany would have had the exact same problems, Russia, Britain, and the US would have been just as strong...

[MYAWESOMENESS]

why would you guys even talk about something like this?!

[God Kefka]

Everything happens as in the original timeline... however, within days AFTER the launching of Operation Barbarossa Hitler, in a dream, gets a vision from God telling him that when he wakes up he will find a book warning him about his impending doom if he does not ''change his ways.''

Hitler wakes up from this vivid dream and on his table was a copy of the American Pageant US History textbook. He has it translated and finds that there are several chapters in there about what happened in ''World War II.'' He learns in the general language of the book, that there is this narrative where he will invade Russia, lose at Stalingrad, Japan will launch some kind of Pearl Harbor nonsense, D-Day will happen etc

This is a general history textbook so it only covers the big events, nothing in minute details.

Now the question is... what happens at this point?

Does Hitler dismiss the textbook as being some kind of a prank (despite the dream) and proceed to fight the war as he did in OTL and still lose?

Does he take some of the book seriously, treat it as a divine map to the future, and do things differently from this point onward (change his diplomatic strategy, fight different battles in Russia etc)? This is the more interesting scenario.

Keep in mind that he's already invaded Russia but the rest of it hasn't happened yet...

Could he change the outcome of history and win WWII or at least get some kind of peace in his favor?

Keep in mind that this is Hitler we are dealing (he can be awfully stubborn and sometimes quite stupid). What happens now?

Speculate on how history may play out differently...

A better question is: With divine foresight, would you still have made this insane thread?

Watch yourself...

[DrakoLand]

Yes, cause D-Day was what won the war... pfff
And why the f* does it have to be an American te- oh f it.

The answer is yes, if Hitler knew about all that he would obviously be unstoppable, hopefully launching Gertdude at some point.

...Actually, even taking the ridiculous OP at its word...he still would have been really easy to stop. He would've been the exact same megalomaniac ruling a fundamentally very flawed state, so he would've been stopped, just not in the same way as it played out in history. Germany would have had the exact same problems, Russia, Britain, and the US would have been just as strong...

I think the main problem was keeping the Russian front up for too long. Without the military failures there, then he could have PROPABLY managed to win and with the SU out of the buisness, the Brits and the US wouldn't be that much of a threat. Who knowns, maybe he could make peace with Britain. I mean, wasn't that his plan anyway? The German (Anglo-Saxon) Empire of the seas and the German Empire of the Land?

[DrakoLand]

why would you guys even talk about something like this?!

Cause Hitler winning WWII is an interesting topic? Even with a lame OP

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Everything happens as in the original timeline... however, within days AFTER the launching of Operation Barbarossa Hitler, in a dream, gets a vision from God telling him that when he wakes up he will find a book warning him about his impending doom if he does not ''change his ways.''

Hitler wakes up from this vivid dream and on his table was a copy of the American Pageant US History textbook. He has it translated and finds that there are several chapters in there about what happened in ''World War II.'' He learns in the general language of the book, that there is this narrative where he will invade Russia, lose at Stalingrad, Japan will launch some kind of Pearl Harbor nonsense, D-Day will happen etc

This is a general history textbook so it only covers the big events, nothing in minute details.

Now the question is... what happens at this point?

Does Hitler dismiss the textbook as being some kind of a prank (despite the dream) and proceed to fight the war as he did in OTL and still lose?

Does he take some of the book seriously, treat it as a divine map to the future, and do things differently from this point onward (change his diplomatic strategy, fight different battles in Russia etc)? This is the more interesting scenario.

Keep in mind that he's already invaded Russia but the rest of it hasn't happened yet...

Could he change the outcome of history and win WWII or at least get some kind of peace in his favor?

Keep in mind that this is Hitler we are dealing (he can be awfully stubborn and sometimes quite stupid). What happens now?

Speculate on how history may play out differently...

Lol... just lol...

Hitler would have lost no matter the scenario. Nothing defeats Mother Russia.

[MYAWESOMENESS]

why would you guys even talk about something like this?!

Cause Hitler winning WWII is an interesting topic? Even with a lame OP

ok im gone

[DrakoLand]

Everything happens as in the original timeline... however, within days AFTER the launching of Operation Barbarossa Hitler, in a dream, gets a vision from God telling him that when he wakes up he will find a book warning him about his impending doom if he does not ''change his ways.''

Hitler wakes up from this vivid dream and on his table was a copy of the American Pageant US History textbook. He has it translated and finds that there are several chapters in there about what happened in ''World War II.'' He learns in the general language of the book, that there is this narrative where he will invade Russia, lose at Stalingrad, Japan will launch some kind of Pearl Harbor nonsense, D-Day will happen etc

This is a general history textbook so it only covers the big events, nothing in minute details.

Now the question is... what happens at this point?

Does Hitler dismiss the textbook as being some kind of a prank (despite the dream) and proceed to fight the war as he did in OTL and still lose?

Does he take some of the book seriously, treat it as a divine map to the future, and do things differently from this point onward (change his diplomatic strategy, fight different battles in Russia etc)? This is the more interesting scenario.

Keep in mind that he's already invaded Russia but the rest of it hasn't happened yet...

Could he change the outcome of history and win WWII or at least get some kind of peace in his favor?

Keep in mind that this is Hitler we are dealing (he can be awfully stubborn and sometimes quite stupid). What happens now?

Speculate on how history may play out differently...

Lol... just lol...

Hitler would have lost no matter the scenario. Nothing defeats Mother Russia.

Apart from Afganistan, or the U.S, or the Mongols, or the Byzantines, or the... you get the picture.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

...Actually, even taking the ridiculous OP at its word...he still would have been really easy to stop. He would've been the exact same megalomaniac ruling a fundamentally very flawed state, so he would've been stopped, just not in the same way as it played out in history. Germany would have had the exact same problems, Russia, Britain, and the US would have been just as strong...

I think the main problem was keeping the Russian front up for too long. Without the military failures there, then he could have PROPABLY managed to win

So what you're saying is "if he didn't lose so much, he would've won".
...Right.
Not much that would've been meaningfully changed by "divine assistance" to tell him the future. He'd still have lost somewhere - if not at Stalingrad and Kursk, then somewhere else.

and with the SU out of the buisness, the Brits and the US wouldn't be that much of a threat.

Not really. The bombing campaign, nuclear programs, destruction of German industry...the German state would have begun cracking sooner rather than later.
Besides, the odds of Germany actually defeating Russia post-1941 if at all were always practically speaking very low.

Who knowns, maybe he could make peace with Britain. I mean, wasn't that his plan anyway? The German (Anglo-Saxon) Empire of the seas and the German Empire of the Land?

That would never have worked, for the exact same reason that Britain was not willing to tolerate Napoleonic or Imperial German hegemony of Europe. If europe is dominated by a single power, that means Britain isn'tjust unsafe, it's basically undefendable. Germany never really realized this fact, and as such labored under the ridiculous assumption that they could actually come to some kind of terms with Britain along those lines.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Lol... just lol...

Hitler would have lost no matter the scenario. Nothing defeats Mother Russia.

Apart from Afganistan, or the U.S, or the Mongols, or the Byzantines, or the... you get the picture.

If you change it to "Nothing defeats Russia defensively in an actual war", then it's correct. Except for the Mongols, who were Mongols and came at Russia the other way.

[DrakoLand]

I think the main problem was keeping the Russian front up for too long. Without the military failures there, then he could have PROPABLY managed to win

So what you're saying is "if he didn't lose so much, he would've won".
...Right.
Not much that would've been meaningfully changed by "divine assistance" to tell him the future. He'd still have lost somewhere - if not at Stalingrad and Kursk, then somewhere else.

and with the SU out of the buisness, the Brits and the US wouldn't be that much of a threat.

Not really. The bombing campaign, nuclear programs, destruction of German industry...the German state would have begun cracking sooner rather than later.
Besides, the odds of Germany actually defeating Russia post-1941 if at all were always practically speaking very low.

Who knowns, maybe he could make peace with Britain. I mean, wasn't that his plan anyway? The German (Anglo-Saxon) Empire of the seas and the German Empire of the Land?

That would never have worked, for the exact same reason that Britain was not willing to tolerate Napoleonic or Imperial German hegemony of Europe. If europe is dominated by a single power, that means Britain isn'tjust unsafe, it's basically undefendable. Germany never really realized this fact, and as such labored under the ridiculous assumption that they could actually come to some kind of terms with Britain along those lines.

About the first 2:
Don't get me wrong mate, I believe Hitler lost as soon as he started Barbarosa... or delayed for the matter (with busting out Italy and all.) Then again, should he have waitted for Stalin to shoot first?

And about the last one:
Well, I really can't have a say on this, but I wonder if any of Churchill's political enemies (before the war got hot) were pro-Hitler.

[DrakoLand]

Apart from Afganistan, or the U.S, or the Mongols, or the Byzantines, or the... you get the picture.

If you change it to "Nothing defeats Russia defensively in an actual war", then it's correct. Except for the Mongols, who were Mongols and came at Russia the other way.

I guess it is. And the Mongols don't really count since people usually refer to Russia post-Great Peter.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

About the first 2:
Don't get me wrong mate, I believe Hitler lost as soon as he started Barbarosa... or delayed for the matter (with busting out Italy and all.) Then again, should he have waitted for Stalin to shoot first?

If he was going to attack, he should have waited less, if anything - the delay from April to June in the invasion date may have made a massive amount of difference.
That's actually a pretty recurring theme with Hitler's management of Russia - Kursk may have failed because he dithered about it for three months like an imbecile before actually ordering the attack.

And about the last one:
Well, I really can't have a say on this, but I wonder if any of Churchill's political enemies (before the war got hot) were pro-Hitler.

the only one that I can think of that was objectively pro-Germany was Mosley, hence why he was arrested when war started and the BUF broken up.
The rest of people who were for accommodation with Hitler were likely just overly optimistic idealists who didn't want another war rather than actual sympathizers

[DrakoLand]

About the first 2:
Don't get me wrong mate, I believe Hitler lost as soon as he started Barbarosa... or delayed for the matter (with busting out Italy and all.) Then again, should he have waitted for Stalin to shoot first?

If he was going to attack, he should have waited less, if anything - the delay from April to June in the invasion date may have made a massive amount of difference.

And about the last one:
Well, I really can't have a say on this, but I wonder if any of Churchill's political enemies (before the war got hot) were pro-Hitler.

the only one that I can think of that was objectively pro-Germany was Mosley, hence why he was arrested when war started the the BUF broken up.
The rest of people who were for accommodation with Hitler were likely just overly optimistic idealists who didn't want another war rather than actual sympathizers

Well, if I recall the biggest anti-rally in the world was an anti-fascist right (obviously) in Britain and around tha time... but I could be messing up the dates (it could have been in the 50s but I am not sure), so I doubt people would be happy if a goverment allied with Hitler.
But just imagine that, Britain in the Axis...