GUN CONTROL!

[Yusova]

What if I told you that gun control should still happen even if criminals were all to mysteriously abandon the use of firearms?

So you're saying that, even if gun crime was non-existent, you still have a problem with people using certain firearms for the sole purpose of shooting paper, collecting, etc.?

Yeah, what is the problem with guns with no gun crime?

[Ifreann]

What if I told you that gun control should still happen even if criminals were all to mysteriously abandon the use of firearms?

So you're saying that, even if gun crime was non-existent, you still have a problem with people using certain firearms for the sole purpose of shooting paper, collecting, etc.?

Do guns stop being dangerous when you hang them on the wall or shoot at paper targets? No? Then there should still be restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms, i.e. gun control.

[Dracoria]

Except it has been proven that most criminals get there weapons illegally, and is some ways that are hard to deter without taking away legal citizens right to own or us firearms.

Except we're not talking about taking guns from people who should have 2d Amendment access to them.

We're talking about controlling access to people like the Washington Navy Yard shooter, who purchased the gun legally because of poorly managed Gun Control laws.

Stop conflating Gun Control and Gun Bans.

Perhaps things would get back on track if the discussion was steered back toward what would be more ideal in terms of gun control laws and their execution?

I honestly am not quite as knowledgable on what is legal and not and where within the U.S. as some of my rifle-toting bretheren, but there should be a list of what may prevent someone from owning certain classes of weapons. Mental health issues certainly, but the problem here is defining these issues to ensure that some who are no more a danger to themselves and others with such weapons, like mild autistics with proper firearm training, still have access to them while those with deeper issues that most definitely do make them dangerous do not. If it's easy to change the definition of who is fit and unfit to possess a firearm based on political pressures, simply by definining such-and-such a mental illness, someone on one side or another is likely to be upset.

[Gauthier]

Not religious, not an NRA member.
And I posted some sources. Have fun with those.

Three links to news agencies speaking about mental health, and a book written by an individual who has his studies funded by the NRA.

Not really great sources, mate.

It's funny how the same side that rants about mental illness being the real problem instead of unregulated gun purchases also happens to be the one that wants to shut down national health care that would cover said mental illnesses.

[Yusova]

Three links to news agencies speaking about mental health, and a book written by an individual who has his studies funded by the NRA.

Not really great sources, mate.

It's funny how the same side that rants about mental illness being the real problem instead of unregulated gun purchases also happens to be the one that wants to shut down national health care that would cover said mental illnesses.

"Cause national healthcare would make us communists, like Saudi Iraq "

[Spreewerke]

So you're saying that, even if gun crime was non-existent, you still have a problem with people using certain firearms for the sole purpose of shooting paper, collecting, etc.?

Do guns stop being dangerous when you hang them on the wall or shoot at paper targets? No? Then there should still be restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms, i.e. gun control.

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

[Dracoria]

Do guns stop being dangerous when you hang them on the wall or shoot at paper targets? No? Then there should still be restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms, i.e. gun control.

Does a stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

Too much Steven King?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Do guns stop being dangerous when you hang them on the wall or shoot at paper targets? No? Then there should still be restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms, i.e. gun control.

Does a stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

In 100 out of 100 cases, nobody was shot in a location that did not have a gun in that location.

[Spreewerke]

Does a stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

In 100 out of 100 cases, nobody was shot in a location that did not have a gun in that location.

In 100 out of 100 of those same cases, nobody died without having first been alive. Ban life.

[Gauthier]

In 100 out of 100 cases, nobody was shot in a location that did not have a gun in that location.

In 100 out of 100 of those same cases, nobody died without having first been alive. Ban life.

Yet you want abortions banned.

[The Emerald Dawn]

In 100 out of 100 cases, nobody was shot in a location that did not have a gun in that location.

In 100 out of 100 of those same cases, nobody died without having first been alive. Ban life.

We tried. Unfortunately the same people who masturbate to guns, masturbate to a twisted interpretation of the Christian Bible.

[Spreewerke]

In 100 out of 100 of those same cases, nobody died without having first been alive. Ban life.

Yet you want abortions banned.

Where did I ever say that?

[Gauthier]

Yet you want abortions banned.

Where did I ever say that?

Figure it's a right wing package. No gun control, no social services, no abortion.

[Spreewerke]

Where did I ever say that?

Figure it's a right wing package. No gun control, no social services, no abortion.

Glad to see you don't stereotype anyone.

[Ifreann]

Do guns stop being dangerous when you hang them on the wall or shoot at paper targets? No? Then there should still be restrictions on the ownership and use of firearms, i.e. gun control.

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

Why would I want to restrict the ownership and use of firearms if I thought they could act independent of a person? That wouldn't accomplish anything.

[Dracoria]

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

Why would I want to restrict the ownership and use of firearms if I thought they could act independent of a person? That wouldn't accomplish anything.

Watch what happens after a few more generations of drone development.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Why would I want to restrict the ownership and use of firearms if I thought they could act independent of a person? That wouldn't accomplish anything.

Watch what happens after a few more generations of drone development.

God damn it, who invented Skynet?

[Ifreann]

Watch what happens after a few more generations of drone development.

God damn it, who invented Skynet?

Obama.

[Dracoria]

God damn it, who invented Skynet?

Obama.

Only because Al Gore invented the internet for it to run on. You know, the pipes and stuff.

[Sociobiology]

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

Why would I want to restrict the ownership and use of firearms if I thought they could act independent of a person? That wouldn't accomplish anything.

for the same reason we require a permit to buy dynamite.

the potential abuse without restriction, far outweighs the loss of utility caused by restriction.

[Spreewerke]

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

Why would I want to restrict the ownership and use of firearms if I thought they could act independent of a person? That wouldn't accomplish anything.

The context in which this was being discussed was that gun crime was suddenly non-existent. If you are implying some firearms are more susceptible to being fired accidentally than others, it tells me you have little to no experience with firearms at all. People have died from accidents involving bolt-action hunting rifles. Same for lever-action rifles. No gun is accident safe, but no gun is more prone to being used negligently more than any other gun. Whether or not the person is knowledgeable and responsible with a firearm is what's going to matter. Perhaps I am misreading and your restrictions are referring not to "what weapon" but instead "training before ownership"? If that is the case, I will not necessarily disagree there. I am under the personal belief that a basic firearms safety and responsibility course should be taught at some point in school. I don't believe everyone should own a gun (I know plenty of people do not wish to own one), but I feel like everyone should at least be capable of handling one safely if ever that knowledge is needed. I don't know if you feel the same in that regard, yourself, however.

[Dyakovo]

What if I told you that gun control should still happen even if criminals were all to mysteriously abandon the use of firearms?

So you're saying that, even if gun crime was non-existent, you still have a problem with people using certain firearms for the sole purpose of shooting paper, collecting, etc.?

No, he's saying that there should still be restrictions on who may own a gun. Gun control =/= gun ban.

[Conservative Conservationists]

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

A stapler is a tool for non-deadly purposes. Can a gun open a can (safely), cut some cloth, insert a nail etc etc
A gun is a tool designed for killing. Why would anyone be suprised when a tool is used for its purpose?

A car is a useful means of transportation, not death. A car is misused when someone dies from it (due to quality of driver or vehicle). A weapon is not misused when someone dies from it when both the weapon and individual performed their functions as intended.

[Gauthier]

God damn it, who invented Skynet?

Obama.

Oh sure, all anyone remembers is a black man made Skynet and they immediately blame Obama.

[Spreewerke]

Does a traditional, classroom stapler staple papers by itself? No? It's just a tool that acts only when a person is using it? Yes, just like a gun.


If you think a gun is dangerous by itself, I can only imagine the fears you have in a parking lot.

A stapler is a tool for non-deadly purposes. Can a gun open a can (safely), cut some cloth, insert a nail etc etc
A gun is a tool designed for killing. Why would anyone be suprised when a tool is used for its purpose?

A car is a useful means of transportation, not death. A car is misused when someone dies from it (due to quality of driver or vehicle). A weapon is not misused when someone dies from it when both the weapon and individual performed their functions as intended.

No, but I can make a chair, open a bottle, and brown toast with a firearm.

A firearm can also be used to hammer nails, cook bacon, enhance one's exercise regimen, and be used as a step ladder among other things.