GUN CONTROL!

[Dyakovo]

Gun Control does not work. Criminals are Criminals for a reason. You're taking weapons away from the tax-paying, law-abiding citizens while the criminals would just smuggle them back into the country.
RE:

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

[Spreewerke]

And that's a fair enough argument. However, as I stated above, I'm a now hunter, so when I use a rifle,then what I want is range. The revolver is for the off chance of needing quick defense (wolves, bears ect) or to finish off a wounded animal

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

[Spirit of Hope]

Gun Control does not work. Criminals are Criminals for a reason. You're taking weapons away from the tax-paying, law-abiding citizens while the criminals would just smuggle them back into the country.
RE:

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

Except it has been proven that most criminals get there weapons illegally, and is some ways that are hard to deter without taking away legal citizens right to own or us firearms.

[Yusova]

And that's a fair enough argument. However, as I stated above, I'm a now hunter, so when I use a rifle,then what I want is range. The revolver is for the off chance of needing quick defense (wolves, bears ect) or to finish off a wounded animal

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

[Spirit of Hope]

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

1) It probably wouldn't be just one wolf, but multiple. I don't think that you would have a harder time against multiple wolves.

2) A gun is much safer way of beating off attackers, plus it doesn't require as much training to use so more people have access to it.

[Imperializt Russia]

Gun Control does not work. Criminals are Criminals for a reason. You're taking weapons away from the tax-paying, law-abiding citizens while the criminals would just smuggle them back into the country.
RE:

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

Doesn't change the fact that gangs, sometimes kids, can and do simply walk machine guns and rifles off of army bases and smuggle guns in from America.

This is the UK I'm talking about, here.

[Partybus]

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

Although wolves do not, as a rule, hunt alone...

Anywho, there is a gun auction next week, and I am going to check it out so I can see what the rules are as far as background checks, waiting periods etc., or lack there of. Also I have my eye on a Thompson submacine gun

[Spreewerke]

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

I'd still prefer to have the rifle present as it would be something to use as a shield other than having my arm bit into. I've had a dog get aggressive with me before while I had a rifle. Buttstock does wonders.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

Except it has been proven that most criminals get there weapons illegally, and is some ways that are hard to deter without taking away legal citizens right to own or us firearms.

Except we're not talking about taking guns from people who should have 2d Amendment access to them.

We're talking about controlling access to people like the Washington Navy Yard shooter, who purchased the gun legally because of poorly managed Gun Control laws.

Stop conflating Gun Control and Gun Bans.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

Doesn't change the fact that gangs, sometimes kids, can and do simply walk machine guns and rifles off of army bases and smuggle guns in from America.

This is the UK I'm talking about, here.

...I'd love to see someone site an example of kids taking guns from US Armories.

Because if the British Quartermasters can't stop that, I've lost all respect for their BAC.

[Dracoria]

Doesn't change the fact that gangs, sometimes kids, can and do simply walk machine guns and rifles off of army bases and smuggle guns in from America.

This is the UK I'm talking about, here.

...I'd love to see someone site an example of kids taking guns from US Armories.

Because if the British Quartermasters can't stop that, I've lost all respect for their BAC.

I was about to mention the same. If access to guns on US military bases was that easy, we likely wouldn't have had the Fort Hood and Washington Navy Yard shooters get as far as they did. A large number of domestic US bases are almost as vulnerable as schools these days.

I'd trust the Brits to be just as certain to keep their guns locked up, as they seem plenty competent in military affairs and I haven't seen much coming out of Britain about crimes commited with military armaments (except by those who claim their military interventions are criminal, but that's another story for another thread).

[Dyakovo]

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

My money is on the wolves.

[Dyakovo]

Absolute bullshit. The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.

Doesn't change the fact that gangs, sometimes kids, can and do simply walk machine guns and rifles off of army bases and smuggle guns in from America.

This is the UK I'm talking about, here.

Good luck smuggling a gun into the UK from America...
Also, source on your other claim?

[Yusova]

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

1) It probably wouldn't be just one wolf, but multiple. I don't think that you would have a harder time against multiple wolves.

2) A gun is much safer way of beating off attackers, plus it doesn't require as much training to use so more people have access to it.

I'm note saying a knife is the best defense, but if its one solitary wolf, I think I'll win. There's a lot of apparently pack less wolves here

[Dracoria]

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

Are bayonets legal in the US? I'd figure they are, but just asking.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

Are bayonets legal in the US? I'd figure they are, but just asking.

Yep. Military doesn't much bother with training with them, but they are legal.

[Spirit of Hope]

Except it has been proven that most criminals get there weapons illegally, and is some ways that are hard to deter without taking away legal citizens right to own or us firearms.

Except we're not talking about taking guns from people who should have 2d Amendment access to them.

We're talking about controlling access to people like the Washington Navy Yard shooter, who purchased the gun legally because of poorly managed Gun Control laws.

Stop conflating Gun Control and Gun Bans.

I am not conflating Gun Control with Gun Bans, I am simply pointing out that most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. Now you can talk about reducing the small minority of gun crimes committed by those that legally obtained them, and I agree back ground checks do need to be strengthened and broadened, both in what they check and who is checked by them, but that will only stop a small minority of gun crimes. So please do not put words in my mouth, I am talking about what is statistically the much bigger problem: criminals ability to get their hands on firearms.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Except we're not talking about taking guns from people who should have 2d Amendment access to them.

We're talking about controlling access to people like the Washington Navy Yard shooter, who purchased the gun legally because of poorly managed Gun Control laws.

Stop conflating Gun Control and Gun Bans.

I am not conflating Gun Control with Gun Bans, I am simply pointing out that most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. Now you can talk about reducing the small minority of gun crimes committed by those that legally obtained them, and I agree back ground checks do need to be strengthened and broadened, both in what they check and who is checked by them, but that will only stop a small minority of gun crimes. So please do not put words in my mouth, I am talking about what is statistically the much bigger problem: criminals ability to get their hands on firearms.

One, cite your statistics. Two, "taking away legal citizens right to own or us firearms" infers that we're removing the 2d Amendment protection entirely instead of modifying it.

So you should speak more clearly, if you wish to actually be understood. You're responsible for the words you use.

[Ifreann]

That I can understand. Coyotes and domestic dogs have been interbreeding in my area, and as such, we're left with "wild" dogs that aren't all that afraid of humans. Four weekends ago I went back to a relative's home that is in the area I hunt. They were wanting me to go ahead and confirm their AK-74's sight alignment while they were at work, so I grabbed gun and took off for the back part of the property. I had my earplugs in already, and when I arrive at the area near the pond, I heard a loud bark-growl sound, but couldn't distinguish direction due to the plugs. Finally found the source: coyote mix was about 10m away from me giving me the stare-down treatment and I caught a glimpse of the neighbor's dog running into the brush behind it. I went ahead and brought the sights up to the mixed breed's head, safety off, but kept my finger off of the trigger. I do not shoot canine breeds outside of defense, so I just ended up staring at it until it, too, disappeared into the brush.

Similar to an instance last spring when I was walking through the timber I hunt in. This time it was just a regular hiking affair, so no earplugs, but I still had something come up on me. I saw something large in front of me; assumed it was that same neighbor's dog that is kind of a tan color and solidly-built. It finally came to a clearing about 25-30m ahead of me and I could easily identify it as a wolf. It, fortunately, decided to take off in the opposite direction of myself, but it was still an experience I'll probably remember for a time since wolves are quite rare here. Mountain lions in my area are also insanely rare, but the department of conservation has confirmed their presence in the area. As such, whenever any of us in my family go on a walk or hike, a rifle is typically taken, as well, or at least a handgun.

That is the second reason why I prefer to hunt with a semi-automatic: if these wild breeds of dog are beginning to lose their fear of humans while still being somewhat wild, I'd prefer if I didn't have to rely on my hand-to-hand capabilities (which are relatively shit given my size).

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

I'll bet you are, Jebediah.

[Yusova]

Well that's my thing, I train in hand to hand hardcore, so I'm confidant in that against a wolf

I'll bet you are, Jebediah.

Look I said a wolf, which means one
Canines e easy too fight when you know how

[Spreewerke]

I'll bet you are, Jebediah.

Look I said a wolf, which means one
Canines e easy too fight when you know how

Rabies aren't.

[Dyakovo]

I'll bet you are, Jebediah.

Look I said a wolf, which means one
Canines e easy too fight when you know how

Good luck finding a single wolf, Bruce.

[Yusova]

Look I said a wolf, which means one
Canines e easy too fight when you know how

Rabies aren't.

I've been vaccinated
I pray I never find out if it works, but as long as I don't go charging at wolves with a knife, andonly use it as a Last reort, I should be ok

[Ifreann]

Except we're not talking about taking guns from people who should have 2d Amendment access to them.

We're talking about controlling access to people like the Washington Navy Yard shooter, who purchased the gun legally because of poorly managed Gun Control laws.

Stop conflating Gun Control and Gun Bans.

I am not conflating Gun Control with Gun Bans, I am simply pointing out that most gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns. Now you can talk about reducing the small minority of gun crimes committed by those that legally obtained them, and I agree back ground checks do need to be strengthened and broadened, both in what they check and who is checked by them, but that will only stop a small minority of gun crimes. So please do not put words in my mouth, I am talking about what is statistically the much bigger problem: criminals ability to get their hands on firearms.

What if I told you that gun control should still happen even if criminals were all to mysteriously abandon the use of firearms?

[Spreewerke]

What if I told you that gun control should still happen even if criminals were all to mysteriously abandon the use of firearms?

So you're saying that, even if gun crime was non-existent, you still have a problem with people using certain firearms for the sole purpose of shooting paper, collecting, etc.?