GUN CONTROL!

[The Emerald Dawn]

I feel like we could all agree that issues such as gun control, religion, abortion, and the like shouldn't be argued so often on this site.
It seems like we all have different beliefs for different reasons.

@Emerald Dawn
@Dyakovo

I respect your opinions. Don't get me wrong, I think everyone here (for the most part) is pretty intelligent.
I am going to stop arguing this point because I don't think it's possible for either side to convince the other.
And the people on the fence seem to like being on the fence, so it's not a good idea to try and change that.

I could be wrong.
You could be wrong.
We could all be wrong.

Honestly, I think gun control works in some places and doesn't in others. Hell, it could definitely be a cultural programming that causes that.
Either way, I am done arguing back and forth here. Thanks for the debate, Emerald.

Au revior.

[Imperializt Russia]

The UK and Australia disagree, either way if we simply put a larger emphasis on mental health and let things like that be checked by the background check system I believe most of our mass shootings would stop. It also doesn't really make sense to try and put even more gun control in place when most of our firearm homicides are gang member A shooting gang member B, and they will get guns anyways.

Please source your claim that guns in the UK are banned. Thanks.

Handguns are entirely banned.
Semiautomatic centrefire rifles are entirely banned.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Unfortunately, folks here aren't all that important compared to Congressmen.

Besides which, facilitating many forms of tamer 'gun control' proposed here (registry's are popular) opens up another avenue of abuse as it will only serve to encourage those pushing such stupid bills.

I quite agree it's unfortunate.

However, idiot politicians aren't the problem, at its root. The problem is the idiot voters who put idiot politicians in place, and the idiot system by which election and re-election based on a single indicator is used.

Aye. Although I'd contend the politicians use issues (like gun control) to appeal to voters who may not be so much idiotic as ignorant (and their is a bit of a difference (For example, me misusing 'their' in place of 'there' is idiotic. If I were a foreigner who didn't have English as his first language it'd just be ignorant at most)). I mean, I don't blame an inner-city attorney for pushing for much stronger firearm laws. His whole experience with them is virtually entirely built around seeing them being used in nothing but the most negative manner, and much as I may rail for it in these threads I don't expect everyone to grasp firearm laws, operation, or safety figures off the top of their head. That's where the politicians jump in and take advantage of those folks by pushing assault weapons bans or the like, banking on citizens ignorance to win them an election on an emotional knee-jerk or such.
/rant.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No. Pistols are not banned in the UK.

Jesus fucking christ where the fuck do you people get your information from?

I'm a law student my friend, I know what types of weapons are banned and within a certain area, pistols are banned. Please see below the exceptions.


Antique and muzzle-loading black-powder guns
Guns of historic interest whose ammunition is no longer available ("Section 7.1" weapons)
Guns of historic interest with current calibres ("Section 7.3" weapons)
Air pistols
Guns which fall outside the Home Office definition of "handguns".
Pistols used by hunters for humane despatch, limited to two shot capacity.
Pistols for use as personal protection weapons, mainly in Northern Ireland by retired police or prison officers, but also prominent figures who were considered at risk.

Yeah ...well I won't be using your legal advice then...given you are saying that I am wrong and then proceed to post the reasons why I am right.

Being a law student really has nothing to do with this except boost your own fucking ego.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Please source your claim that guns in the UK are banned. Thanks.

Handguns are entirely banned.
Semiautomatic centrefire rifles are entirely banned.

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

[The High Guardians]

I'm a law student my friend, I know what types of weapons are banned and within a certain area, pistols are banned. Please see below the exceptions.


Antique and muzzle-loading black-powder guns
Guns of historic interest whose ammunition is no longer available ("Section 7.1" weapons)
Guns of historic interest with current calibres ("Section 7.3" weapons)
Air pistols
Guns which fall outside the Home Office definition of "handguns".
Pistols used by hunters for humane despatch, limited to two shot capacity.
Pistols for use as personal protection weapons, mainly in Northern Ireland by retired police or prison officers, but also prominent figures who were considered at risk.

Yeah ...well I won't be using your legal advice then...given you are saying that I am wrong and then proceed to post the reasons why I am right.

Being a law student really has nothing to do with this except boost your own fucking ego.

The regular civilian does not fall under many of those options unless you plan to kill someone with a damn musket and yes it does, I know how to read statutes in all their definition. How a civilian reads them and how a lawyer reads them is very different.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Yeah ...well I won't be using your legal advice then...given you are saying that I am wrong and then proceed to post the reasons why I am right.

Being a law student really has nothing to do with this except boost your own fucking ego.

The regular civilian does not fall under many of those options unless you plan to kill someone with a damn musket and yes it does, I know how to read statutes in all their definition. How a civilian reads them and how a lawyer reads them is very different.

yeah...you see...the original comment was that guns were banned in the UK. Clearly they are not. I mean perhaps I am making the mistake of thinking that you know what the word banned means...lawyer or not.

Suggest you perhaps head back to the law library to continue your legal education.

[The High Guardians]

The regular civilian does not fall under many of those options unless you plan to kill someone with a damn musket and yes it does, I know how to read statutes in all their definition. How a civilian reads them and how a lawyer reads them is very different.

yeah...you see...the original comment was that guns were banned in the UK. Clearly they are not. I mean perhaps I am making the mistake of thinking that you know what the word banned means...lawyer or not.

Suggest you perhaps head back to the law library to continue your legal education.

It would depend on what the House of Commons mean by the word banned and not the Oxford English Dictionary. Also, my original point was I can pull at least 5-6 U.S massacres from recent history while I can only pull 2 from recent British history which would suggest gun laws do have an effect.

[Imperializt Russia]

Handguns are entirely banned.
Semiautomatic centrefire rifles are entirely banned.

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

The Team GB pistol shooting team is not based in the United Kingdom for legal reasons.
Those reasons being, there was no sporting exception issued for handguns.

[Dyakovo]

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

The Team GB pistol shooting team is not based in the United Kingdom for legal reasons.
Those reasons being, there was no sporting exception issued for handguns.

Not quite accurate...

Long-barrelled revolvers and pistols

"Long-barrelled revolvers" and "long-barrelled pistols" meeting specified criteria are not classified as small, and hence prohibited, firearms; it is legal, with a Firearm Certificate, to possess them. The barrel must be at least 30 cm long, and the firearm at least 60 cm long, which can be achieved by having a permanently attached extension to the grip or butt of the firearm. Long-barrelled single-shot firearms of any calibre, and semi-automatic pistols of .22 rimfire calibres, are permitted with FAC.

Target pistols

Aside from special temporary exemptions for major events such as the 2012 Olympics, pistol shooting for sporting purposes has been effectively banned since 1997. As a result, the GB pistol squad has to practice abroad. A few models of single-shot .22 calibre free pistol, as used in the 50m Olympic 'Free Pistol' match, have been produced to meet the "long-barrelled pistol" conditions. Some free pistols have removable stabiliser bars extending backwards to improve stability; the UK-legal models have been made with non-removable stabilisers to extend the dimensions, instead of contrived and non-functional grip extensions. Examples are the single-shot Pardini K22 Longarm and the Westlake Britarms Long Pistol, a permitted .22LR five-shot semi-automatic pistol.

[Spirit of Hope]

Handguns are entirely banned.
Semiautomatic centrefire rifles are entirely banned.

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

While they are not entirely banned, they just have to be muzzle loaders. I don't know if Wikipedia counts for you but here is their article on pistols in the UK. You will note that while firearms are not outright banned, you can only receive a 5 year exemption, which you can renew, after having proved a "good reason" to own a fire arm, and sport for the most part doesn't count.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

yeah...you see...the original comment was that guns were banned in the UK. Clearly they are not. I mean perhaps I am making the mistake of thinking that you know what the word banned means...lawyer or not.

Suggest you perhaps head back to the law library to continue your legal education.

It would depend on what the House of Commons mean by the word banned and not the Oxford English Dictionary.

I do believe you ought to stop moving those goal posts.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

The Team GB pistol shooting team is not based in the United Kingdom for legal reasons.
Those reasons being, there was no sporting exception issued for handguns.

yeah I know...totally daft.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No handguns are not entirely banned.

See the above post by the student lawyer...

While they are not entirely banned, they just have to be muzzle loaders. I don't know if Wikipedia counts for you but here is their article on pistols in the UK. You will note that while firearms are not outright banned, you can only receive a 5 year exemption, which you can renew, after having proved a "good reason" to own a fire arm, and sport for the most part doesn't count.

Great! So I am right. Still.

Fuck me. Have I just wandered into the "I'll post stupid shit on this thread for the sake of posting stupid shit" zone?

[Spirit of Hope]

While they are not entirely banned, they just have to be muzzle loaders. I don't know if Wikipedia counts for you but here is their article on pistols in the UK. You will note that while firearms are not outright banned, you can only receive a 5 year exemption, which you can renew, after having proved a "good reason" to own a fire arm, and sport for the most part doesn't count.

Great! So I am right. Still.

Fuck me. Have I just wandered into the "I'll post stupid shit on this thread for the sake of posting stupid shit" zone?

Just a little but...

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Great! So I am right. Still.

Fuck me. Have I just wandered into the "I'll post stupid shit on this thread for the sake of posting stupid shit" zone?

Just a little but...

In this specific situation there is no fucking grey area.

[Dyakovo]

While they are not entirely banned, they just have to be muzzle loaders. I don't know if Wikipedia counts for you but here is their article on pistols in the UK. You will note that while firearms are not outright banned, you can only receive a 5 year exemption, which you can renew, after having proved a "good reason" to own a fire arm, and sport for the most part doesn't count.

Great! So I am right. Still.

Fuck me. Have I just wandered into the "I'll post stupid shit on this thread for the sake of posting stupid shit" zone?

*checks*
Yup, you are indeed in a gun control thread

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Great! So I am right. Still.

Fuck me. Have I just wandered into the "I'll post stupid shit on this thread for the sake of posting stupid shit" zone?

*checks*
Yup, you are indeed in a gun control thread

Ha! Yeah. Good point.

On that note I shall bow out.

Farewell NSG.

[Yusova]

Really, I think like a pistol for self defense, a shotgun or a bolt action rifle (not entirely sure why you'd need semi auto, bolts have higher muzzle velocity anyway) if you hunt
I keep an old m1895 Nagant revolver, I practice twice a month at the shooting range, and I bring it with me as a secondary when I hunt ( I bow hunt)

[New Embossia]

Gun Control does not work. Criminals are Criminals for a reason. You're taking weapons away from the tax-paying, law-abiding citizens while the criminals would just smuggle them back into the country.
RE:

[Spreewerke]

Really, I think like a pistol for self defense, a shotgun or a bolt action rifle (not entirely sure why you'd need semi auto, bolts have higher muzzle velocity anyway) if you hunt
I keep an old m1895 Nagant revolver, I practice twice a month at the shooting range, and I bring it with me as a secondary when I hunt ( I bow hunt)

I hunt with this because its ballistics are quite similar to .30-30 at a short distance, and superior to it at further distances due to it being a spitzer: http://i.imgur.com/fVqS2Uh.jpg

I insert a five-round magazine for hunting purposes due to capacity limitations, and yet even then it only takes a single round to down a whitetail deer. Folding stock makes it way easier to get in and out of the vehicle when driving to/from the hunting location, the AK action itself is super-reliable (and since I do not hunt from a stationary position, this comes in handy when traversing obstacles), and the rifle is very comfortable for me to use.

Bolt-actions may have higher muzzle velocity, but when the farthest shot I will ever realistically take while hunting in this location is ~200m tops, that really isn't important. The fact it's a semi-automatic comes with the action itself, not from some Rambo fantasy, nor is it compensation for me being a poor shot (I am not). I know you did not say this, but others typically do. That said, the rifle has much less recoil than a hunting rifle in, say, .308 Win. or .30-Govt., and as such makes shooting it a more pleasurable experience. Since I'm not anticipating a hard recoil, I can be more relaxed when firing the weapon, guaranteeing that I don't flinch prematurely and move the weapon while firing. If I were to do that, I could make only a wounding hit on the animal or miss it entirely. In the rare instance I do fire and miss or otherwise have to release a second shot as soon as possible, it is nice to have a semi-automatic weapon that chambers the next round without my interfering with the weapon. All I have to worry about while shooting is trigger squeeze and sight alignment because of that.

[Yusova]

Really, I think like a pistol for self defense, a shotgun or a bolt action rifle (not entirely sure why you'd need semi auto, bolts have higher muzzle velocity anyway) if you hunt
I keep an old m1895 Nagant revolver, I practice twice a month at the shooting range, and I bring it with me as a secondary when I hunt ( I bow hunt)

I hunt with this because its ballistics are quite similar to .30-30 at a short distance, and superior to it at further distances due to it being a spitzer: http://i.imgur.com/fVqS2Uh.jpg

I insert a five-round magazine for hunting purposes due to capacity limitations, and yet even then it only takes a single round to down a whitetail deer. Folding stock makes it way easier to get in and out of the vehicle when driving to/from the hunting location, the AK action itself is super-reliable (and since I do not hunt from a stationary position, this comes in handy when traversing obstacles), and the rifle is very comfortable for me to use.

Bolt-actions may have higher muzzle velocity, but when the farthest shot I will ever realistically take while hunting in this location is ~200m tops, that really isn't important. The fact it's a semi-automatic comes with the action itself, not from some Rambo fantasy, nor is it compensation for me being a poor shot (I am not). I know you did not say this, but others typically do. That said, the rifle has much less recoil than a hunting rifle in, say, .308 Win. or .30-Govt., and as such makes shooting it a more pleasurable experience. Since I'm not anticipating a hard recoil, I can be more relaxed when firing the weapon, guaranteeing that I don't flinch prematurely and move the weapon while firing. If I were to do that, I could make only a wounding hit on the animal or miss it entirely. In the rare instance I do fire and miss or otherwise have to release a second shot as soon as possible, it is nice to have a semi-automatic weapon that chambers the next round without my interfering with the weapon. All I have to worry about while shooting is trigger squeeze and sight alignment because of that.

And that's a fair enough argument. However, as I stated above, I'm a now hunter, so when I use a rifle,then what I want is range. The revolver is for the off chance of needing quick defense (wolves, bears ect) or to finish off a wounded animal

[Isles of the United Armed Forces]

What the heck should the world do about gun control?
I mean look at America, seriously. I think that you can't have an explosive anything, or anything over 30 caliber guns. you may have a shotgun. No RPG's, Miniguns, AK-47, or anything fully automatic. Why would you need that.(to hunt wabbits ) Anyways, what do you think we should do about gun control. Let people run around with M-16's or no guns at all.
(If I misspelled or didn't use the correct form of the gun, do not correct me, just debate.)

Why in the world would that be an option?! We sure as hell dont need them for hunting, and I really dont think we need to carry around full automatics just for protection. leave that type of weaponry to the military and police.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Really, I think like a pistol for self defense, a shotgun or a bolt action rifle (not entirely sure why you'd need semi auto, bolts have higher muzzle velocity anyway) if you hunt
I keep an old m1895 Nagant revolver, I practice twice a month at the shooting range, and I bring it with me as a secondary when I hunt ( I bow hunt)

WHAT THE FOX SAY?

[Yusova]

Really, I think like a pistol for self defense, a shotgun or a bolt action rifle (not entirely sure why you'd need semi auto, bolts have higher muzzle velocity anyway) if you hunt
I keep an old m1895 Nagant revolver, I practice twice a month at the shooting range, and I bring it with me as a secondary when I hunt ( I bow hunt)

WHAT THE FOX SAY?