GUN CONTROL!

[Gauthier]

It could be argued that they do, since they would limit the amount of DNA that could be found in a sexual assault examination.

Sure, if you divorce yourself from reality, you can argue anything. Meanwhile, in the real world, they don't facilitate rape.

And clearly condoms are defective given all those rape convictions with DNA evidence. *nod*

[Imperializt Russia]

Sure, if you divorce yourself from reality, you can argue anything. Meanwhile, in the real world, they don't facilitate rape.

And clearly condoms are defective given all those rape convictions with DNA evidence. *nod*

As well as clearly being touchy on a number of subjects for no evident reason, you also aren't great at reading.

I said limit.

Not prevent. Not remove. Not stop.

[Novakaira]

If everyone was issued a Glock, there would be nearly no crime. You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one. I also support open-carry. I think every American should have a handgun/shotgun per household. If we restrict guns, the criminals will use the Black Market. If only the criminals have access to weapons, the civilians are unsafe. And then there is the whole reason for the Second Amendment which is to protect us from an unjust government. I think that reason is more relevant now than ever before.

[Divair]

You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one.

Unless, of course, you don't care about dying...

[The Emerald Dawn]

If everyone was issued a Glock, there would be nearly no crime. You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one. I also support open-carry. I think every American should have a handgun/shotgun per household. If we restrict guns, the criminals will use the Black Market. If only the criminals have access to weapons, the civilians are unsafe. And then there is the whole reason for the Second Amendment which is to protect us from an unjust government. I think that reason is more relevant now than ever before.

Do they have unicorns in the fantasy land you live in?

[Novakaira]

You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one.

Unless, of course, you don't care about dying...

Did I say all crime? You can never get rid of all crime. I said most. Please read thoroughly.

[Divair]

Unless, of course, you don't care about dying...

Did I say all crime? You can never get rid of all crime. I said most. Please read thoroughly.

Then I expect you have a source to validate such a belief, yes?

[Novakaira]

If everyone was issued a Glock, there would be nearly no crime. You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one. I also support open-carry. I think every American should have a handgun/shotgun per household. If we restrict guns, the criminals will use the Black Market. If only the criminals have access to weapons, the civilians are unsafe. And then there is the whole reason for the Second Amendment which is to protect us from an unjust government. I think that reason is more relevant now than ever before.

Do they have unicorns in the fantasy land you live in?

Oh, I see you provided well-constructed counter-evidence and made a valid argument.
I appreciate that you didn't just post some lame insult instead.
Thanks.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Do they have unicorns in the fantasy land you live in?

Oh, I see you provided well-constructed counter-evidence and made a valid argument.
I appreciate that you didn't just post some lame insult instead.
Thanks.

I'll post some sources when you do.

[DesAnges]

And then there is the whole reason for the Second Amendment which is to protect us from an unjust government. I think that reason is more relevant now than ever before.

Again, you and your Glock against the highest spending military force on the planet. Ain't going to go well for you.

[Novakaira]

Did I say all crime? You can never get rid of all crime. I said most. Please read thoroughly.

Then I expect you have a source to validate such a belief, yes?

Consider that the Colarado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Then I expect you have a source to validate such a belief, yes?

Consider that the Colarado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

Nothing in what you just typed was a source.

[Dyakovo]

If everyone was issued a Glock, there would be nearly no crime. You wouldn't try to shoot someone if you knew everyone else around you had one. I also support open-carry. I think every American should have a handgun/shotgun per household. If we restrict guns, the criminals will use the Black Market. If only the criminals have access to weapons, the civilians are unsafe. And then there is the whole reason for the Second Amendment which is to protect us from an unjust government. I think that reason is more relevant now than ever before.

Absolute bullshit.
1: Everyone being armed is not a deterrent to crime.
2: The "criminals don't obey the law" argument has already been discredited.
3: Gun control does not mean gun ban.
4: The reason for the Second Amendment was not defense against an unjust government.
5: The current government is not unjust, so even if the point in #4 were true, the need for it isn't greater now.

[Divair]

Then I expect you have a source to validate such a belief, yes?

Consider that the Colarado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

So what you're saying is you have no source?

[Dyakovo]

Oh, I see you provided well-constructed counter-evidence and made a valid argument.
I appreciate that you didn't just post some lame insult instead.
Thanks.

I'll post some sources when you do.

Silly TED... His claims are to be taken as Gospel, they come straight from the mouth of God NRA after all...

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'll post some sources when you do.

Silly TED... His claims are to be taken as Gospel, they come straight from the mouth of God NRA after all...

I'm a silly, silly bastard.

[Novakaira]

Consider that the Colarado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

Nothing in what you just typed was a source.

http://nation.time.com/2013/09/17/navy- ... -problems/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... m/1781145/
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/t ... ealth-law/

If you are going to be remotely open-minded about this, I suggest you read this book. I am sure you can find a PDF somewhere.
The author gives hard evidence and make a lot of good points.
http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less-Cr ... 0226493660
But I assume you have already made up your mind about this issue and refuse to change.
It'd be good to note I used to be for more gun control until I had a few thorough discussions and did more reading about mental health issues.

[Novakaira]

I'll post some sources when you do.

Silly TED... His claims are to be taken as Gospel, they come straight from the mouth of God NRA after all...

Not religious, not an NRA member.
And I posted some sources. Have fun with those.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Silly TED... His claims are to be taken as Gospel, they come straight from the mouth of God NRA after all...

Not religious, not an NRA member.
And I posted some sources. Have fun with those.

Three links to news agencies speaking about mental health, and a book written by an individual who has his studies funded by the NRA.

Not really great sources, mate.

[DesAnges]

Two things:

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.

Why not do both? Because that'd bring the murder rate down by more, surely.

If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

Mandatory possession of a handgun does not supply the conviction or ability to use it as a freebie. I don't fancy the idea of getting caught in a crossfire because some swinging dick thinks he's got John Wayne's arm instead of Michael J Fox's. Or the other way, which is where some schmuck pulls his gun, hesitates, and gets mown down by some other fucker who doesn't know who the original shooter was.

[Grinning Dragon]

Then I expect you have a source to validate such a belief, yes?

Consider that the Colorado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?

If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

Sweet, I can start ordering weapons via Sears catalog once again?
You cannot order weapons online have them delivered to your door, they must be shipped to a FFL, where the FFL will run a background check, before handing over the weapon + a fee for his services.

[Novakaira]

Not religious, not an NRA member.
And I posted some sources. Have fun with those.

Three links to news agencies speaking about mental health, and a book written by an individual who has his studies funded by the NRA.

Not really great sources, mate.

What do I need to post in order for it to be a "good" source?

Here is a poll suggesting Americans blame the mental health systemfor most gun violence.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164507/ameri ... lence.aspx

HOW ABOUT A STUDY BY HARVARD THAT SUGGEST BANNING GUNS WON'T REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/org ... online.pdf
SUMMARY:
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/article/ha ... roductive/

[The Emerald Dawn]

Three links to news agencies speaking about mental health, and a book written by an individual who has his studies funded by the NRA.

Not really great sources, mate.

What do I need to post in order for it to be a "good" source?

Here is a poll suggesting Americans blame the mental health systemfor most gun violence.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164507/ameri ... lence.aspx

HOW ABOUT A STUDY BY HARVARD THAT SUGGEST BANNING GUNS WON'T REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/org ... online.pdf
HERE IS A SUMMARY.
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/article/ha ... roductive/

Well, the peer reviewed article is a great start. Why didn't you post that first?

Also, it doesn't prove your point about giving a gun to everyone reducing crime.

So while a good source for a different argument, it's a shit source for this one.

[Versail]

Consider that the Colorado theater shooter obtained his weapons via the internet instead of getting a weapon permit.
Considered that the DC Yard shooter, the theater shooter, and the Newtown shooter all apparently had mental health issues.
When we make an item or substance illegal, it becomes even more popular. Prohibition of alcohol and marijuana are good examples.

If we put more work into diagnosing people who apply for weapons instead of taking all weapons away, people will be safer.
If every adult was issued a handgun, how far do you think any of those shooters would have gotten?
Pretty dang far to say the truth.
Why it depends on the circumstances if one person with a gun shoots another person with what will it solve. Nothing it is just more death.
If we focus on diagnosing mental health problems (this country's health and mental health industry are lacking), people will be safer.
If you take a murderous person's gun away, they will use a knife. Think about it, it's asinine to remove firearms from everyone's hands.

Sweet, I can start ordering weapons via Sears catalog once again?
You cannot order weapons online have them delivered to your door, they must be shipped to a FFL, where the FFL will run a background check, before handing over the weapon + a fee for his services.

[Novakaira]

What do I need to post in order for it to be a "good" source?

Here is a poll suggesting Americans blame the mental health systemfor most gun violence.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/164507/ameri ... lence.aspx

HOW ABOUT A STUDY BY HARVARD THAT SUGGEST BANNING GUNS WON'T REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/org ... online.pdf
HERE IS A SUMMARY.
http://www.smallgovtimes.com/article/ha ... roductive/

Well, the peer reviewed article is a great start. Why didn't you post that first?

Also, it doesn't prove your point about giving a gun to everyone reducing crime.

So while a good source for a different argument, it's a shit source for this one.

But it does show that gun control DOESN'T WORK.