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Postby Vazdania » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Aeken wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I just think we ought to have more control in big cities than in Rural areas.

I can agree with that.

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Postby Dracoria » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:08 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Aeken wrote:And if that were free?

I just think we ought to have more control in big cities than in Rural areas.


Couldn't that be seen as racist, as anything else that affects urbanites over ruralites?
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Postby Vazdania » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:08 pm

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Postby Yusova » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Dracoria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I just think we ought to have more control in big cities than in Rural areas.


Couldn't that be seen as racist, as anything else that affects urbanites over ruralites?

No it means you have more reason to use guns in rural regions

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Postby Vazdania » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Dracoria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:I just think we ought to have more control in big cities than in Rural areas.


Couldn't that be seen as racist, as anything else that affects urbanites over ruralites?

Absolutely not.
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Postby Yusova » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:14 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:And yet the UK numbers say nothing about how many were by gun. Instead an irrelevant gender difference was cited.

Because it just proves that by gun doesn't matter, and suicidal people are going to find ways to kill themselves.

And I question anybody who says that suicide by gun is easier, because it really isn't.


Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
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Postby Aeken » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:14 pm

Yusova wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Because it just proves that by gun doesn't matter, and suicidal people are going to find ways to kill themselves.

And I question anybody who says that suicide by gun is easier, because it really isn't.


Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
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You tried to kill yourself?

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Postby Sealand of America » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:16 pm

An armed society is a polite society. :)
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Postby Hathradic States » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:16 pm

Yusova wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Because it just proves that by gun doesn't matter, and suicidal people are going to find ways to kill themselves.

And I question anybody who says that suicide by gun is easier, because it really isn't.


Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
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Postby Yusova » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:16 pm

Aeken wrote:
Yusova wrote:
Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
As a nerdy bisexual pagan, I know this from experience

You tried to kill yourself?

Many times
Many times
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Postby Aeken » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:17 pm

Yusova wrote:
Aeken wrote:You tried to kill yourself?

Many times
Many times
Getting picked on your whole life isn't great

:hug:
Hathradic States wrote:
Yusova wrote:
Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
As a nerdy bisexual pagan, I know this from experience

I know from experience.

:hug:

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Postby Yusova » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:26 pm

Aeken wrote:
Yusova wrote:Many times
Many times
Getting picked on your whole life isn't great

:hug:
Hathradic States wrote:I know from experience.

:hug:

Thank you

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Postby Minarchist States » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:27 pm

Oh boy, where do I begin?

I never really ever liked guns, or the gun culture that permeated the US. I always avoided first person shooters in preference for strategy games, and I never hunted. I believe I had only used a gun ever once, along with a bow and arrow, but that was so long ago my memory is fuzzy.

However as a libertarian I have certain principles, and keeping guns legal as opposed to banning them would be preferable, since I do not believe in "banning" anything, if a little bit of freedom has to be sacrificed for safety, I'd always go for keeping freedom. That being said, I do believe action must be taken to reduce guns using grassroots activism about the dangerous of guns and combatting "gun culture" wherever it arises, if not with legislation than with words and protest. The Newtown incident had spurred many people into giving up their guns voluntarily. Although I don't believe we should wait until another incident arises, I do think we should encourage more people to voluntarily give up their guns, as it is for the best.

And that is all I have to say on this topic.
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Postby Yusova » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:48 pm

Minarchist States wrote:Oh boy, where do I begin?

I never really ever liked guns, or the gun culture that permeated the US. I always avoided first person shooters in preference for strategy games, and I never hunted. I believe I had only used a gun ever once, along with a bow and arrow, but that was so long ago my memory is fuzzy.

However as a libertarian I have certain principles, and keeping guns legal as opposed to banning them would be preferable, since I do not believe in "banning" anything, if a little bit of freedom has to be sacrificed for safety, I'd always go for keeping freedom. That being said, I do believe action must be taken to reduce guns using grassroots activism about the dangerous of guns and combatting "gun culture" wherever it arises, if not with legislation than with words and protest. The Newtown incident had spurred many people into giving up their guns voluntarily. Although I don't believe we should wait until another incident arises, I do think we should encourage more people to voluntarily give up their guns, as it is for the best.

And that is all I have to say on this topic.

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Postby THE UNION OF FREE STATES OF AMERICA » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:56 pm

Sealand of America wrote:An armed society is a polite society. :)

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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:33 pm

Yusova wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Because it just proves that by gun doesn't matter, and suicidal people are going to find ways to kill themselves.

And I question anybody who says that suicide by gun is easier, because it really isn't.


Yeah, suicide by gun is very difficult, and in all truth you pussy out most of the time
As a nerdy bisexual pagan, I know this from experience


Your arguement doesn't prove anything.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:35 pm

Yusova wrote:
Dracoria wrote:
Couldn't that be seen as racist, as anything else that affects urbanites over ruralites?

No it means you have more reason to use guns in rural regions


So in other words to hell with city folks who want to shoot guns recreationally, right?
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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby A Bubble » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:21 am

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Hand guns can be quite easy to concel and as you said, statistically hand guns kill more people.
There is no valid use for a fully automatic assault rifle.
Mid-range shot guns will well and are more sensible.


Yes, that is why their should be stricter laws for hand guns in large cities
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:23 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Primo Victoria wrote:
fine, lets discuss pools. Pools kill thousands of people a year in the US through accidental drownings. Where as all long guns, including the "evil" AR-15, killed less than 400 in 2011. Should the federal government step in and restrict your right to own a pool?

Oh, that's right, you don't have a constitutional right to own a pool. Or a car, or a dog, or bees, or hammers, or lumber, or any of the other hundreds of things that kill far more people every year than guns.

Neither pools nor dogs nor cars nor bees nor hammers were designed to be weapons. Guns are. Target shooting is an after-effect, essentially. And you gave the point away in your second sentence with the word "accidental." That's what those deaths are.


The liberal media just covers up stories of mass drownings, silly.
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Postby Sammy Ryden » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:27 am

There should definitely be gun control. It's kind of scary thinking about someone having an M16 in their home, even if they're very careful with it. I just don't like the thought of people being able to freely own an automatic weapon. I'm totally fine with people having a small hunting rifle, or a 20 gage shotgun for clay pigeons.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:27 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Yusova wrote:No it means you have more reason to use guns in rural regions


So in other words to hell with city folks who want to shoot guns recreationally, right?

You can also point out, how well that works in cities like chicago, detroit, etc.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:28 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Primo Victoria wrote:
fine, lets discuss pools. Pools kill thousands of people a year in the US through accidental drownings. Where as all long guns, including the "evil" AR-15, killed less than 400 in 2011. Should the federal government step in and restrict your right to own a pool?

Oh, that's right, you don't have a constitutional right to own a pool. Or a car, or a dog, or bees, or hammers, or lumber, or any of the other hundreds of things that kill far more people every year than guns.

Neither pools nor dogs nor cars nor bees nor hammers were designed to be weapons. Guns are. Target shooting is an after-effect, essentially. And you gave the point away in your second sentence with the word "accidental." That's what those deaths are.

So if the majority of firearms deaths were accidental you would favor firearms be regulated in a similar matter as pools ?
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:29 am

Sammy Ryden wrote:There should definitely be gun control. It's kind of scary thinking about someone having an M16 in their home, even if they're very careful with it. I just don't like the thought of people being able to freely own an automatic weapon. I'm totally fine with people having a small hunting rifle, or a 20 gage shotgun for clay pigeons.


I see, so people need to forgo their right, because of your fear? How does my ownership of such things affect you right now?

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:31 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Wow. Four.

As opposed to...checking FBI...928 by guns.

http://healthandwelfare.idaho.gov/Porta ... 202011.pdf

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If the livestock want to feel protected, they can go buy guns themselves.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:33 am

THE UNION OF FREE STATES OF AMERICA wrote:
Sealand of America wrote:An armed society is a polite society. :)

Polite, fearless, and secure.


Somalia is such a nice, polite place.
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