GUN CONTROL!

[Occupied Deutschland]

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

Is the chamber plastic, too?

Yes, the only non-plastic part is the firing pin (and a block inserted for compliance with the Undetectable Firearms Act).

But they tend to fail quite spectacularly fairly quickly.

[Sociobiology]

bringing a firearm on a plane?
I can't bring my rock hammer or pocket knife on a plane and they are essential tools.

a hammer and a knife (though not intended to be) can realistically be used as weapons. A plastic firearm without bullets is like a car without gas you can't do anything practical or realistic with it.

I cant bring an empty chainsaw either.
which is still the funniest sign at the airport.

[GWACA]

a hammer and a knife (though not intended to be) can realistically be used as weapons. A plastic firearm without bullets is like a car without gas you can't do anything practical or realistic with it.

I cant bring an empty chainsaw either.
which is still the funniest sign at the airport.

That's another silly rule, if you're willing to pay the money to bring it onboard you should be able to bring an empty chainsaw without fuel oil or bar oil. Believe it or not that has caused problems for me, I had to DRIVE my chainsaw from my childhood home in Kokomo indiana, to my current home, in Nome Alaska.

[Chernoslavia]

Is the chamber plastic, too?

they are but it only lasts a few shots, and they tend to fail catastrophically.

Yeah, the barrels. The gun can last for hundreds of shots though....just don't use high pressure ammo.

[Chernoslavia]

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

you realize "brass" is the key word in that sentence. the brass creates a resistant air tight chamber, if you tired a caseless round it would explode.

And the plastic bullets would probably dissolve.

[Sociobiology]

I cant bring an empty chainsaw either.
which is still the funniest sign at the airport.

That's another silly rule, if you're willing to pay the money to bring it onboard you should be able to bring an empty chainsaw without fuel oil or bar oil. Believe it or not that has caused problems for me, I had to DRIVE my chainsaw from my childhood home in Kokomo indiana, to my current home, in Nome Alaska.

you can ship one, and I have taken one as checked luggage, you just have to call the airport first.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Is the chamber plastic, too?

Yes, the only non-plastic part is the firing pin (and a block inserted for compliance with the Undetectable Firearms Act).

But they tend to fail quite spectacularly fairly quickly.

Ha, that's what I figured.

[Chernoslavia]

Is the chamber plastic, too?

Yes, the only non-plastic part is the firing pin (and a block inserted for compliance with the Undetectable Firearms Act).

But they tend to fail quite spectacularly fairly quickly.

Well, depending what quality plastic your making them from. They can last from two shots to a hundred.

[Firmador]

Yes, the only non-plastic part is the firing pin (and a block inserted for compliance with the Undetectable Firearms Act).

But they tend to fail quite spectacularly fairly quickly.

Well, depending what quality plastic your making them from. They can last from two shots to a hundred.

No.

They work, with regular ammunition, up to like six shots.

Weaker ammunition, is obviously higher but has its own drawbacks.

I would not be surprised if in twenty years we could produce a completely combat-quality firearm entirely from the 3D printing press (I assume that's what you guys are talking about?) or some other variant.

[Genesis Era]

Well, depending what quality plastic your making them from. They can last from two shots to a hundred.

No.

They work, with regular ammunition, up to like six shots.

Weaker ammunition, is obviously higher but has its own drawbacks.

I would not be surprised if in twenty years we could produce a completely combat-quality firearm entirely from the 3D printing press (I assume that's what you guys are talking about?) or some other variant.

...Which would throw out all attempts to restrict gun sales through high prices. Because, let's face it: one wouldn't need to pay over the nose for a custom-made, 3D-printed gun, be it a Magnum replica or a M4 complete with shotgun shells. Eventually, technology will catch up from cruddy plastic guns that break apart to fully functional magazines, triggers, all the independent gun parts that fit together perfectly. All at an affordable price.

Only a matter of time. And tech.

[Firmador]

No.

They work, with regular ammunition, up to like six shots.

Weaker ammunition, is obviously higher but has its own drawbacks.

I would not be surprised if in twenty years we could produce a completely combat-quality firearm entirely from the 3D printing press (I assume that's what you guys are talking about?) or some other variant.

...Which would throw out all attempts to restrict gun sales through high prices. Because, let's face it: one wouldn't need to pay over the nose for a custom-made, 3D-printed gun, be it a Magnum replica or a M4 complete with shotgun shells. Eventually, technology will catch up from cruddy plastic guns that break apart to fully functional magazines, triggers, all the independent gun parts that fit together perfectly. All at an affordable price.

Only a matter of time. And tech.

That's going to be a while, those 3D techs are expensive. Thus economics of scale (even in 20 years), one man will likely produce on order. Illegal order. He will be hunted by the DEA, probably as a ter-rosdtist and that makes it particularly easier.

But the day a 3D printer is in every home, and we can start materialising delicious food from our daily waste the entire idea of Scarcity and Economics will be made moot and Communism will be the only way to go.

Crazy shit man.

[Grinning Dragon]

...Which would throw out all attempts to restrict gun sales through high prices. Because, let's face it: one wouldn't need to pay over the nose for a custom-made, 3D-printed gun, be it a Magnum replica or a M4 complete with shotgun shells. Eventually, technology will catch up from cruddy plastic guns that break apart to fully functional magazines, triggers, all the independent gun parts that fit together perfectly. All at an affordable price.

Only a matter of time. And tech.

That's going to be a while, those 3D techs are expensive. Thus economics of scale (even in 20 years), one man will likely produce on order. Illegal order. He will be hunted by the DEA, probably as a ter-rosdtist and that makes it particularly easier.

But the day a 3D printer is in every home, and we can start materializing delicious food from our daily waste the entire idea of Scarcity and Economics will be made moot and Communism will be the only way to go.

Crazy shit man.

Why would a person be hunted down by the moronic DEA? I would think it would be by those jack booted thugs the bATFe (and really big fires) for printing firearms.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ahh but what about police? Because I can tell you that I have outshot police officers on a couple of occasions and I generally only get to go to the range a couple of times a year. But that is all besides the point of talking about gun control, as this thread is supposed to talk about.

Outshooting someone at the range does not mean you're a better shot in an actual firefight.

On national statistics, officers in firefights seem to perform woefully.

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

Wow, a politician pushing for a gun control bill that has no connection to realistic happenings by appealing to ignorance.
...
What a non-surprise.

A 3D printer was recently seized in Manchester (England), along with pre-built parts for firearms.

It's happening.

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

case less rounds aren't metal and ceramic or glass projectiles could be used.... it's grasping at straws and highly unlikely, but still plausible.

Of course a caseless cartridge (which is not widely available or produced) contains metal.
Its ignition mechanism, in part.

Commercial polymer cartridges are not all-polymer. They have brass bases. Many recent attempts at development of CTA or CLA cartridges have involved brass case stubs for the rim and base.

glass and ceramics also set off airport scanners.

in that case what is the argument against plastic firearms? since we couldn't get ammunition past airport security what risk do they pose? Is someone to use them as a very small, very light club?

http://rt.com/usa/lax-shooting-arm-tsa-agents-280/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... to-UK.html

You either don't bother, or you smuggle them.

a hammer and a knife (though not intended to be) can realistically be used as weapons. A plastic firearm without bullets is like a car without gas you can't do anything practical or realistic with it.

I cant bring an empty chainsaw either.
which is still the funniest sign at the airport.

Please can you post the picture.

[Ayreonia]

I recommend the European approach.
Ban civilian gun ownership.
Problem Solved...no more gang shootouts, no more accidental gun deaths, no more, no more.
It just saves so much time money, paperwork, and of course, lives.

That isn't even close to the "European approach."

[Len Hyet]

Please can you post the picture.

^ He probably can't - Most TSA Officers frown most severely on taking photos in the security line.

[Sevvania]

A 3D printer was recently seized in Manchester (England), along with pre-built parts for firearms.

It's happening.

The "pre-built parts for firearms" were actually 3D printer parts.

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/24/uk-police- ... omponents/
http://www.popsci.com/article/technolog ... rinted-gun
http://rt.com/news/3d-printer-seized-uk-728/

[Ifreann]

A 3D printer was recently seized in Manchester (England), along with pre-built parts for firearms.

It's happening.

The "pre-built parts for firearms" were actually 3D printer parts.

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/24/uk-police- ... omponents/
http://www.popsci.com/article/technolog ... rinted-gun
http://rt.com/news/3d-printer-seized-uk-728/

3D printers that make 3D printers are a far more terrifying notion.

[Imperializt Russia]

A 3D printer was recently seized in Manchester (England), along with pre-built parts for firearms.

It's happening.

The "pre-built parts for firearms" were actually 3D printer parts.

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/24/uk-police- ... omponents/
http://www.popsci.com/article/technolog ... rinted-gun
http://rt.com/news/3d-printer-seized-uk-728/

The BBC lied to me.

Looking up the article, it seems it has been updated.
I find this defence interestingly worded:

The arrested man, who has since been bailed, said: "It's nothing to do with a gun whatsoever.

"I have no idea why they think it is part of a gun. It's designed by the company that makes the printer to go in the printer to make it better."

...
Eloquent.

However, of concern:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

[Gun Manufacturers]

The "pre-built parts for firearms" were actually 3D printer parts.

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/24/uk-police- ... omponents/
http://www.popsci.com/article/technolog ... rinted-gun
http://rt.com/news/3d-printer-seized-uk-728/

The BBC lied to me.

Looking up the article, it seems it has been updated.
I find this defence interestingly worded:

The arrested man, who has since been bailed, said: "It's nothing to do with a gun whatsoever.

"I have no idea why they think it is part of a gun. It's designed by the company that makes the printer to go in the printer to make it better."

...
Eloquent.

However, of concern:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

Before it was taken down, I downloaded it. That, and the AR15 lower file. Do I have a 3D printer, or access to one? No, I primarily downloaded it just because it was interesting. Will I ever attempt to produce my own Liberator pistol from that file, if I ever get a 3D printer? No, I have other firearms that can do the same job or better.

If I ever get a 3D printer, my first project probably isn't going to be firearms related, it will most likely be either computer related or model related.

[Firmador]

That's going to be a while, those 3D techs are expensive. Thus economics of scale (even in 20 years), one man will likely produce on order. Illegal order. He will be hunted by the DEA, probably as a ter-rosdtist and that makes it particularly easier.

But the day a 3D printer is in every home, and we can start materializing delicious food from our daily waste the entire idea of Scarcity and Economics will be made moot and Communism will be the only way to go.

Crazy shit man.

Why would a person be hunted down by the moronic DEA? I would think it would be by those jack booted thugs the bATFe (and really big fires) for printing firearms.

You're right, had a brain far. Actually after I read the first sentence I was trying to think of the ATF's acronyms xP

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

The "pre-built parts for firearms" were actually 3D printer parts.

http://gigaom.com/2013/10/24/uk-police- ... omponents/
http://www.popsci.com/article/technolog ... rinted-gun
http://rt.com/news/3d-printer-seized-uk-728/

3D printers that make 3D printers are a far more terrifying notion.

We've opened Pandora's fly!

One of the neat things about 3D printing, though, is that you can print something that's already fully assembled. So in the quite-distant future, when we move around in Jetsons cars (lol 60s lol) and engineers do finite element modeling of entire structures because we have the processing power to do it, you could print a fully-functioning gun and rack the slide when you take it out of the machine.

Or you could mass-produce a number of robots and take over the world. So, really, I don't get why 3D printed guns are an issue when we really should be focusing on Skynet.

[Ifreann]

3D printers that make 3D printers are a far more terrifying notion.

We've opened Pandora's fly!

One of the neat things about 3D printing, though, is that you can print something that's already fully assembled. So in the quite-distant future, when we move around in Jetsons cars (lol 60s lol) and engineers do finite element modeling of entire structures because we have the processing power to do it, you could print a fully-functioning gun and rack the slide when you take it out of the machine.

Or you could mass-produce a number of robots and take over the world. So, really, I don't get why 3D printed guns are an issue when we really should be focusing on Skynet.

I'll just 3D print Arnie.

[Gauthier]

We've opened Pandora's fly!

One of the neat things about 3D printing, though, is that you can print something that's already fully assembled. So in the quite-distant future, when we move around in Jetsons cars (lol 60s lol) and engineers do finite element modeling of entire structures because we have the processing power to do it, you could print a fully-functioning gun and rack the slide when you take it out of the machine.

Or you could mass-produce a number of robots and take over the world. So, really, I don't get why 3D printed guns are an issue when we really should be focusing on Skynet.

I'll just 3D print Arnie.

And then I'll just 3D print women to distract him with compulsive gropings.

[Libertarian California]

How is that Canada has relatively lax gun laws when compared to most of the developed world (most guns that one can legally purchase in the US can legally be purchased in Canada), yet barely has any mass shootings?

[Firmador]

How is that Canada has relatively lax gun laws when compared to most of the developed world (most guns that one can legally purchase in the US can legally be purchased in Canada), yet barely has any mass shootings?

Have mass shootings increased in america or just the media attention? Dunno, but as for the sex doll thing realistic but