GUN CONTROL!

[GWACA]

I'm against most gun control, but background checks just make sense, it isn't legal to sell firearms to felons, background checks would just be enforcing existing regulation.

except there is this massive glaring loop hole because you don't actually have to check to see if the person is a felon.
then we have the other reasons they should not have a firearm like a history of violence or severe mental disability.

I would be in favor of instituting background checks for all firearm purchases/sales, and also banning the sale of firearms to the mentally unstable, and felons. Almost all violent crimes are felonies so, we don't really have to worry about that.

[Chernoslavia]

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

Box cutters aren't plastic yet made there way into the hands of terrorists.
Also, while you got the plastic gun, you still need to get ammunition through.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I recommend the European approach.
Ban civilian gun ownership.
Problem Solved...no more gang shootouts, no more accidental gun deaths, no more, no more.
It just saves so much time money, paperwork, and of course, lives.

No. On many levels.

[Gauthier]

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

Box cutters aren't plastic yet made there way into the hands of terrorists.
Also, while you got the plastic gun, you still need to get ammunition through.

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

[Chernoslavia]

No permit, just some ATF hassle.

I can resell it to a dealer, not an unpermited person.

ATF disagrees with you. If you don't need a permit to buy explosives, why the hell would they make you have a permit to sell one?

[GWACA]

Box cutters aren't plastic yet made there way into the hands of terrorists.
Also, while you got the plastic gun, you still need to get ammunition through.

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

especially considering you could easily get case less rounds past security as they have no brass and can be ignited electronically.

[Chernoslavia]

Box cutters aren't plastic yet made there way into the hands of terrorists.
Also, while you got the plastic gun, you still need to get ammunition through.

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

But yeah, reality is hilarious right?

[Big Jim P]

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

especially considering you could easily get case less rounds past security as they have no brass and can be ignited electronically.

I am sure that the bullet themselves would show up on the airports metal detectors.

[Big Jim P]

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

Plastic projectiles would be just about useless.

[Sociobiology]

I can resell it to a dealer, not an unpermited person.

ATF disagrees with you. If you don't need a permit to buy explosives, why the hell would they make you have a permit to sell one?

check again.

[GWACA]

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

case less rounds aren't metal and ceramic or glass projectiles could be used.... it's grasping at straws and highly unlikely, but still plausible.

[Sociobiology]

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

Plastic projectiles would be just about useless.

you could make perfectly usable plastic projectiles but not a plastic barrel that could withstand firing them.
Also most scanners are density based, not based on metal.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Box cutters aren't plastic yet made there way into the hands of terrorists.
Also, while you got the plastic gun, you still need to get ammunition through.

"Terrorists use box cutters, ergo we shouldn't make plastic guns illegal."

Comedy gold mine.

"...plastic guns..."

Comedy motherload.

[Sociobiology]

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

case less rounds aren't metal and ceramic or glass projectiles could be used.... it's grasping at straws and highly unlikely, but still plausible.

glass and ceramics also set off airport scanners.

[Chernoslavia]

It shows that it's useless to ban plastic guns that will be extremely expensive to make. Boxcutters are of metal, they managed to get through. Also, ammunition still has to be metal.

Plastic projectiles would be just about useless.

They are useless. A friend of mine tried to test fire some from a purple Liberator and none of the rounds went off. Totally useless, the plastic gun however worked fine with regular brass ammo.

[GWACA]

case less rounds aren't metal and ceramic or glass projectiles could be used.... it's grasping at straws and highly unlikely, but still plausible.

glass and ceramics also set off airport scanners.

in that case what is the argument against plastic firearms? since we couldn't get ammunition past airport security what risk do they pose? Is someone to use them as a very small, very light club?

[Chernoslavia]

Plastic projectiles would be just about useless.

you could make perfectly usable plastic projectiles but not a plastic barrel that could withstand firing them.
Also most scanners are density based, not based on metal.

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

[Spirit of Hope]

glass and ceramics also set off airport scanners.

in that case what is the argument against plastic firearms? since we couldn't get ammunition past airport security what risk do they pose? Is someone to use them as a very small, very light club?

They are new and scary and people can't be bother to learn about them so they make them illegal. Normal procedure.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

you could make perfectly usable plastic projectiles but not a plastic barrel that could withstand firing them.
Also most scanners are density based, not based on metal.

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

Is the chamber plastic, too?

[Sociobiology]

glass and ceramics also set off airport scanners.

in that case what is the argument against plastic firearms? since we couldn't get ammunition past airport security what risk do they pose? Is someone to use them as a very small, very light club?

bringing a firearm on a plane?
I can't bring my rock hammer or pocket knife on a plane and they are essential tools.

[Sociobiology]

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

Is the chamber plastic, too?

they are but it only lasts a few shots, and they tend to fail catastrophically.

[GWACA]

in that case what is the argument against plastic firearms? since we couldn't get ammunition past airport security what risk do they pose? Is someone to use them as a very small, very light club?

bringing a firearm on a plane?
I can't bring my rock hammer or pocket knife on a plane and they are essential tools.

a hammer and a knife (though not intended to be) can realistically be used as weapons. A plastic firearm without bullets is like a car without gas you can't do anything practical or realistic with it.

[Shaggai]

My view on gun control:
Universal background checks should exist. Maybe "1 a month" laws, although I'm not sure about how effective they would be. Other than that, I don't know enough to have an opinion.

[Chernoslavia]

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

Is the chamber plastic, too?

I don't know, I didn't want to be near it when my friend was about to fire it with plastic ammo. But I think the chamber's also the barrel considering you need to remove it after each shot. Also, when firing the liberator, it's best to switch barrels after one or two shots.

[Sociobiology]

you could make perfectly usable plastic projectiles but not a plastic barrel that could withstand firing them.
Also most scanners are density based, not based on metal.

My friend's liberator's plastic barrel withstood over 100 shots from .380 brass ammo. I think it can withstand plastic ammo....if you could get the little shits to go off

you realize "brass" is the key word in that sentence. the brass creates a resistant air tight chamber, if you tired a caseless round it would explode.