GUN CONTROL!

[Confederate People of the United States]

My nations troops aren't known for blue on blue. We are known for however receiving blue on blue from Americans.

Well, if your firearms training consists of firing from the prone from hours and hours while being told you suck, I'm not surprised you don't hit friendlies.

[Chernoslavia]

I'm pretty sure overall the united state has tougher gun laws now than it's entire history...

so where is the effectiveness of these bans.

Compared to our entire history we have significantly lower crime, it's just that there's a recent spike. What bans are you speaking of?

1968 - Federal ban on the importation of foreign NFA weapons and items such as full autos, rocket launchers, short barreled shotguns, short barreled rifles, everything NFA.

1986 - Federal ban on the further registration of full autos for civilians. The Hughes Amendment, more specifically.

1989 - Federal ban on the further importation of certain rifles and shotguns deemed "assault weapons" by name.

1994 - Federal ban on the further manufacture of semi automatic firearms that have certain cosmetic features such as flash hiders, collapsible foldable and even retractable stocks, barrel shields, and bayonet lugs for civilians. The bill also banned the further manufacture of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition for civilians, the bill thankfully expired in 2004.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Fair enough.
Where ever you're from, your firearms training was shit.

My nations troops aren't known for blue on blue. We are known for however receiving blue on blue from Americans.

So your not American, but your allied with them and have received friendly fire from them?

Stay out of the kill zone, and welcome to modern warfare.

[The High Guardians]

My nations troops aren't known for blue on blue. We are known for however receiving blue on blue from Americans.

So your not American, but your allied with them and have received friendly fire from them?

Stay out of the kill zone, and welcome to modern warfare.

Maybe they should learn what Tactical Recognition Flashes are on vehicles and soldiers alike.

[Paddy O Fernature]

So your not American, but your allied with them and have received friendly fire from them?

Stay out of the kill zone, and welcome to modern warfare.

Maybe they should learn what Tactical Recognition Flashes are on vehicles and soldiers alike.

Yes, cause no fighting force in the history of the world has made a mistake on a battlefield. But lets bitch about it, cause it's Murica!

[Chernoslavia]

You don't civilians get training too?

Not on the same level, I'm military and unless you guys are spending 7-8 hours a range a week with someone drill sergeant in your ear reminding you how rubbish you are. It's literally not the same, I've seen civilians learning how to use a rifle and soldiers. Different training...entirely.

Indeed. Try on a daily basis for a year by a former seal, I think being more enthusiastic plays better than being yelled at and peer pressure. However, in the end what matters is when the real battle starts, whether your military, or a civvy trained by a seal.

[Chernoslavia]

You don't civilians get training too?

I assume you inadvertently omitted "think"...
Some do get proper training, some don't.

No, my iPad's being a dick to me today.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Outshooting someone at the range does not mean you're a better shot in an actual firefight.

Very true.

Unless your personal definition of "firefight" is a competition setting.

[Spirit of Hope]

Ahh but what about police? Because I can tell you that I have outshot police officers on a couple of occasions and I generally only get to go to the range a couple of times a year. But that is all besides the point of talking about gun control, as this thread is supposed to talk about.

Outshooting someone at the range does not mean you're a better shot in an actual firefight.

Nice and true, however most police are woefully undertrained when it comes to firearms. I honestly don't trust most of the cops in my city with them since I know they get as much training as the time I spend on the range.

[Yusova]

Outshooting someone at the range does not mean you're a better shot in an actual firefight.

Nice and true, however most police are woefully undertrained when it comes to firearms. I honestly don't trust most of the cops in my city with them since I know they get as much training as the time I spend on the range.

Meh, I train with my pistol, but really it's just for mercy shots during hunting, I rarely am in a situation by knife or bow wouldn't do better

[Gauthier]

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

[Sociobiology]

but on average trained people are better shots than untrained.

You don't think civilians get training too?

did I say that?

[The Truth and Light]

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

BUT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE TOUCHIN' MY CROTCH DANGIT

well you should have thought of that before you put a weapon down there

[Sinovet]

I recommend the European approach.
Ban civilian gun ownership.
Problem Solved...no more gang shootouts, no more accidental gun deaths, no more, no more.
It just saves so much time money, paperwork, and of course, lives.

[Sociobiology]

Actually, if you sell a firearm to a criminal, you would be a criminal, and you are arguing against having any way to determine whether or not the person you are selling to is a criminal. Also, a criminal record is not the only thing which does/should prohibit someone from owning a firearm. And finally, the presumption of innocence is for criminal trials, the sale of weapons is not a criminal trial.

Therefore, I should not be treated as a suspected criminal just to buy a firearm.

then why should I be "treated like a crtiminal" as you say, when buying dynamite?

It is your responsibility to prove you are a responsible adult before you buy something dangerous.

[GWACA]

I recommend the European approach.
Ban civilian gun ownership.
Problem Solved...no more gang shootouts, no more accidental gun deaths, no more, no more.
It just saves so much time money, paperwork, and of course, lives.

banning guns will make it so no one has them?
Tell me again how no one can buy drugs.

[Sociobiology]

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is. It infringes on the right of a person to conduct private sales.

no such right exist, I can't resell dynamite without a permit.

[Sociobiology]

Every state that does not require a background check for person to person sales.

True. I didn't go through a background check when I bought my Nagant off of my father. But, it is ridiculous to force individuals to do a background check.

considering that is the major source of firearms used in crimes, not at all.

[GWACA]

True. I didn't go through a background check when I bought my Nagant off of my father. But, it is ridiculous to force individuals to do a background check.

considering that is the major source of firearms used in crimes, not at all.

I'm against most gun control, but background checks just make sense, it isn't legal to sell firearms to felons, background checks would just be enforcing existing regulation.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Looks like Undetectable Firearms Act is scheduled to expire in December unless Congress actually does something.

Undetectable Firearms Act: Rep. Steve Israel Pushes For Renewal As Defense Distributed Pulls Prank

What won't be a surprise if we have people on NSG who are going to bitch about Gubmint infringing on an individual's right to possess undetectable firearms that can evade conventional airport security measures.

Wow, a politician pushing for a gun control bill that has no connection to realistic happenings by appealing to ignorance.
...
What a non-surprise.

[Sociobiology]

I guess I could agree to that.
Maybe. Though I doubt many people have murderers or violent criminals for friends, so I don't really see a problem in that.

99% of gun owners aren't going to sell to somebody they don't know. And if they already know that someone is a criminal, a background check won't stop them from selling to them.

it will however make the act illegal and make them liable, nor can they fain ignorance of illegal status.

[Chernoslavia]

Yes, it is. It infringes on the right of a person to conduct private sales.

no such right exist, I can't resell dynamite without a permit.

No permit, just some ATF hassle.

[Sociobiology]

considering that is the major source of firearms used in crimes, not at all.

I'm against most gun control, but background checks just make sense, it isn't legal to sell firearms to felons, background checks would just be enforcing existing regulation.

except there is this massive glaring loop hole because you don't actually have to check to see if the person is a felon.
then we have the other reasons they should not have a firearm like a history of violence or severe mental disability.

[Sociobiology]

no such right exist, I can't resell dynamite without a permit.

No permit, just some ATF hassle.

I can resell it to a dealer, not an unpermited person.

[GWACA]

I'm against most gun control, but background checks just make sense, it isn't legal to sell firearms to felons, background checks would just be enforcing existing regulation.

except there is this massive glaring loop hole because you don't actually have to check to see if the person is a felon.
then we have the other reasons they should not have a firearm like a history of violence or severe mental disability.

I would be in favor of instituting background checks for all firearm purchases/sales, and also banning the sale of firearms to the mentally unstable, and felons. Almost all violent crimes are felonies so, we don't really have to worry about that.