GUN CONTROL!

[Big Jim P]

To me, a crime of murder or rape sounds a touch more serious than a "dishonourable" discharge.

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

I believe you lose the right to vote and the right to own property. I could be wrong.

[Hathradic States]

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

I believe you lose the right to vote and the right to own property. I could be wrong.

I know the first part is true, not sure on the second part.

I also know that it is hard to get a job.

[Imperializt Russia]

To me, a crime of murder or rape sounds a touch more serious than a "dishonourable" discharge.

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

Maybe I should rephrase.

"Dishonourable" discharge does not sound like a term that accurately conveys the seriousness of some of the charges which result.

I am aware that it will result in some form of incarceration anyway.

[Dyakovo]

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

I believe you lose the right to vote and the right to own property. I could be wrong.

You can still own property, but yes you lose your right to vote.

Military Benefits
If the military member is discharged dishonorably, he loses his Veterans Administration (VA) educational benefits, housing loans, medical and funeral benefits and other military benefits. The serviceman also loses his veteran status. If the serviceman, however, served previously and earned an honorable discharge, VA benefits may accrue under the original honorable discharge.

Federal Employment
Generally, a person with a dishonorable discharge is precluded from working for the federal government. This is especially the case when the job requires security clearance. The Smith Amendment to the 2001 Defense Authorization Act amended Chapter 49 of Title 10 of the United States Code to bar the granting or renewal of a security clearance by the Department of Defense if an individual was discharged dishonorably from the armed forces. The secretary of defense and the secretary of the relevant military branch may authorize exceptions in meritorious cases.

State Jobs
A dishonorable discharge, and the underlying felony, may disqualify a person from state employment. If a soldier has a dishonorable discharge based on embezzlement, she would probably be disqualified from working for a state fiscal agency. The dishonorable discharge may be a disqualifying factor regardless of the underlying felony; for example, a dishonorable discharge specifically disqualifies a person from working as a police officer in New York City. Some states will disqualify a candidate from employment not because of the type of discharge but because of the underlying felony.

Firearms
The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm. A person who is convicted of a crime that is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year is prohibited from possessing a firearm. Under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), a felon who is found guilty of gun possession may serve up to 10 years in prison.

Voting Rights
Each decides whether to restore voting rights to a convicted felon. Many states analyze the underlying crime to determine whether the individual discharged from the military dishonorably is eligible to have his voting rights restored. Maine and Vermont allow felons to vote, even from prison.

Other Considerations
A dishonorable discharge will not prevent an otherwise qualified candidate from seeking civilian employment or applying for credit or college. On the other hand, the U.S. Constitution does not recognize the category of "felons" or "dishonorably discharged" individuals as a protected class. This means that a bank or company may legally discriminate against someone on the basis of the individual's dishonorable discharge.



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In addition, you will also be spending time in a military or federal penitentiary.

[Hathradic States]

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

Maybe I should rephrase.

"Dishonourable" discharge does not sound like a term that accurately conveys the seriousness of some of the charges which result.

I am aware that it will result in some form of incarceration anyway.

It is short and to the point. No need to change it.

[Landofromania]

Guns don;t kill people,stupid people with guns kill people.

[Big Jim P]

I believe you lose the right to vote and the right to own property. I could be wrong.

You can still own property, but yes you lose your right to vote.

Military Benefits
If the military member is discharged dishonorably, he loses his Veterans Administration (VA) educational benefits, housing loans, medical and funeral benefits and other military benefits. The serviceman also loses his veteran status. If the serviceman, however, served previously and earned an honorable discharge, VA benefits may accrue under the original honorable discharge.

Federal Employment
Generally, a person with a dishonorable discharge is precluded from working for the federal government. This is especially the case when the job requires security clearance. The Smith Amendment to the 2001 Defense Authorization Act amended Chapter 49 of Title 10 of the United States Code to bar the granting or renewal of a security clearance by the Department of Defense if an individual was discharged dishonorably from the armed forces. The secretary of defense and the secretary of the relevant military branch may authorize exceptions in meritorious cases.

State Jobs
A dishonorable discharge, and the underlying felony, may disqualify a person from state employment. If a soldier has a dishonorable discharge based on embezzlement, she would probably be disqualified from working for a state fiscal agency. The dishonorable discharge may be a disqualifying factor regardless of the underlying felony; for example, a dishonorable discharge specifically disqualifies a person from working as a police officer in New York City. Some states will disqualify a candidate from employment not because of the type of discharge but because of the underlying felony.

Firearms
The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm. A person who is convicted of a crime that is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year is prohibited from possessing a firearm. Under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), a felon who is found guilty of gun possession may serve up to 10 years in prison.

Voting Rights
Each decides whether to restore voting rights to a convicted felon. Many states analyze the underlying crime to determine whether the individual discharged from the military dishonorably is eligible to have his voting rights restored. Maine and Vermont allow felons to vote, even from prison.

Other Considerations
A dishonorable discharge will not prevent an otherwise qualified candidate from seeking civilian employment or applying for credit or college. On the other hand, the U.S. Constitution does not recognize the category of "felons" or "dishonorably discharged" individuals as a protected class. This means that a bank or company may legally discriminate against someone on the basis of the individual's dishonorable discharge.



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In addition, you will also be spending time in a military or federal penitentiary.

Thanks. My info was out of date and obviously wrong.

[Dyakovo]

Guns don;t kill people,stupid people with guns kill people.

Guns don't kill people, monkeys with guns kill people.
*nods*

[Len Hyet]

Dishonorable Discharges are the result of a General Court Martial finding a member of the Armed Forces Guilty of a serious crime such as Murder, Sexual Assault, theft, drug-related crimes, forgery, perjury and maiming, among others.

So yeah, a Dishonorable Discharge should exclude you from owning a gun.

To me, a crime of murder or rape sounds a touch more serious than a "dishonourable" discharge.

A Dishonorable Discharge is less a singular punishment and more like the icing on the cake. The Military doesn't imprison active service members. So if someone is convicted of say, Rape, they get a dishonorable discharge and life incarceration in Fort Leavenworth.

[Dyakovo]

You can still own property, but yes you lose your right to vote.

In addition, you will also be spending time in a military or federal penitentiary.

Thanks. My info was out of date and obviously wrong.

Having a dishonorable discharge is going to reduce your likelihood of getting a loan, so it reduces your ability to buy property...

[Big Jim P]

Thanks. My info was out of date and obviously wrong.

Having a dishonorable discharge is going to reduce your likelihood of getting a loan, so it reduces your ability to buy property...

True enough. Now I wish I had saved the texp of the licensing proposal from the earlier spate of gun control threads.

[Len Hyet]

You do not know the full effects of a dishonorable discharge then.

Maybe I should rephrase.

"Dishonourable" discharge does not sound like a term that accurately conveys the seriousness of some of the charges which result.

I am aware that it will result in some form of incarceration anyway.

You never served did you?

A Dishonorable Discharge is something like being labeled a Sexual Predator in the Civilian World. You're ostracized by your former friends, it's impossible to get a job, you're given disgusted looks by anyone who knows, and you probably will do time in prison.

[Dyakovo]

Maybe I should rephrase.

"Dishonourable" discharge does not sound like a term that accurately conveys the seriousness of some of the charges which result.

I am aware that it will result in some form of incarceration anyway.

You never served did you?

A Dishonorable Discharge is something like being labeled a Sexual Predator in the Civilian World. You're ostracized by your former friends, it's impossible to get a job, you're given disgusted looks by anyone who knows, and you probably will do time in prison.

Not "probably", definitely.

[Tel]

Guns don;t kill people,stupid people with guns kill people.

This, of course, excuses handing the stupid people guns.

Right, guys? Right?

...Right?

[Dyakovo]

Guns don;t kill people,stupid people with guns kill people.

This, of course, excuses handing the stupid people guns.

Right, guys? Right?

...Right?

According to the NRA, yes.

[Ifreann]

No, it really doesn't.

Yes it does. I am not a criminal. it is the States job to prove that I am, not mine to prove that I am not.

If they want to convict you of a crime they have to prove that you are a criminal. To the best of my knowledge, that's as far as the presumption of innocence goes.

[Len Hyet]

You never served did you?

A Dishonorable Discharge is something like being labeled a Sexual Predator in the Civilian World. You're ostracized by your former friends, it's impossible to get a job, you're given disgusted looks by anyone who knows, and you probably will do time in prison.

Not "probably", definitely.

Slip of the tongue (fingers?)

[Dyakovo]

Not "probably", definitely.

Slip of the tongue (fingers?)

Watch where you put your tongue and/or fingers!

[Len Hyet]

Slip of the tongue (fingers?)

Watch where you put your tongue and/or fingers!

I'll put my tongue and fingers wherever I damn well please!

(I mean that in the most non-rapey way possible)

[Ifreann]

Watch where you put your tongue and/or fingers!

I'll put my tongue and fingers wherever I damn well please!

(I mean that in the most non-rapey way possible)

Licking your gun is not recommended by the manufacturer.

[Len Hyet]

I'll put my tongue and fingers wherever I damn well please!

(I mean that in the most non-rapey way possible)

Licking your gun is not recommended by the manufacturer.

Giggity

[Dyakovo]

I'll put my tongue and fingers wherever I damn well please!

(I mean that in the most non-rapey way possible)

Licking your gun is not recommended by the manufacturer.

Especially not while firing.

[Ifreann]

Licking your gun is not recommended by the manufacturer.

Especially not while firing.

Operating the trigger with your tongue would be quite the trick.

[Len Hyet]

Especially not while firing.

Operating the trigger with your tongue would be quite the trick.

Reloading with your tongue is impressive

[Lubrumia]

This is my first post, so I'd like to say hi. here is where I stand on Gun control.

I have not actual objections to people owning guns, but getting one shoul d be hard. I know people, though none have resorted to violence, who have run out to get guns out of anger or paranoid fear. A slow turn-around time for gun purchases will reduce potential for violence. Also, the process of performing background checks should be multi-faceted and all background information should not be contained in one place. If we are dealing with internet sources, they are quick and efficient, but easily attackable. If there are several sources that must be checked before a gun sale, there is a reduced chance that people will slip through the cracks, as most of the random shooters over the past two years did, having legally purchased guns.

As for who should be held responsible for when something goes awry, the government and the merchant should both be blamed, depending on who made the error. If the merchant failed to make the proper checks, he or she is to blame. If the person did not show up on any of the necessary databases, then it is the government's fault for not keeping good records.

As I say, gun use does not bother me, but the random acts of violence are showing that obtaining a gun is too easy. I do support people owning guns though, my Stepfather owns over 60 guns in ready condition for use at all times and I think that's okay since he would not use them in a dangerous way.