GUN CONTROL!

[Chernoslavia]

1. Because I didn't know that restricted and prohibited were two different categories. And I've never mention that you didn't need to have owned one to get another, I've forgotten that you have had to though. Keywords: "From what I can remember...."

So 1998 was the last federal gun law enacted? Nothing interesting happened in 2001 or 2003?

Why is it so fucking difficult for you to admit you kept making up shit about a topic you knew nothing about? Is it really that fucking hard to know when to quit moving the fucking goalposts every post?

I read that you said from what you can remember. Maybe you didn't notice I continuously kept asking you for sources, because I know how fucking pointless is it when someone likes to make up things "from what they can remember" instead of providing a source to back up what they are saying, which you hadn't done once.

2. So 1998 was the last federal gun law enacted? Nothing interesting happened in 2001 or 2003?

Prohibited weapons remain prohibited. You sure do like bringing up irrelevant things to sidestep from how you can't admit you were wrong.

1.

a. I have nothing to admit so please go cry me a river if I'm not saying what you want me to say.

b. Okay, looking over what you've requested. I'll add some citations.

2. Are you incapable of talking about two different things in one post all of a sudden?

[Firmador]

I made your point moot, so why wouldn't I ignore it?

Are you going to lie and say Island illegal imports are far harder than one who has 3 times as many access points.

/Whole thread is about gun regulation.
/Given example how gun regulation is super effective
/Disregards it.

American exceptionalism anyone?

Does anyone else see him ignoring practicality to win an argument about what works?

[Gun Manufacturers]

Maybe the police shouldn't do anything to anger the civilians?

Glad I don't live in that country. I prefer the police to be more heavily armed that the average Joe. At least they are trained. Joe is a moron.

My uncle is currently an average Joe, but is retired US Air Force Security Forces, as well as a recently retired police officer. Trained, not a moron. I still shoot better than him at the range, and I have no military or police background (I just go shooting more often than he does).

[Sociobiology]

Glad I don't live in that country. I prefer the police to be more heavily armed that the average Joe. At least they are trained. Joe is a moron.

My uncle is currently an average Joe, but is retired US Air Force Security Forces, as well as a recently retired police officer. Trained, not a moron. I still shoot better than him at the range, and I have no military or police background (I just go shooting more often than he does).

anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

[Chernoslavia]

My uncle is currently an average Joe, but is retired US Air Force Security Forces, as well as a recently retired police officer. Trained, not a moron. I still shoot better than him at the range, and I have no military or police background (I just go shooting more often than he does).

anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

He's saying that being in the military don't make you top shot.

[Chernoslavia]

Did Self Defense ever cross your mind?

The only thing that should be kept illegal are military-grade weapons.

You wouldn't need to defend yourself if crimes were kept down.

EXCUSE ME?

[Sociobiology]

"Gun control works for some other countries, why is the United States so opposed to it:?" Because no other country has as many guns per capita as the United States, nor a culture that has been so thoroughly ingrained with firearms. The United States long ago passed the point where all the guns could simply be done away with.

wrong
see Switzerland.
their gun culture is far more prevalent the lower ownership is due to a person owning few guns even if more people per capita in the country own fire arms.
people in the US who own guns own MORE guns but the number of people per capital that actually own guns are fewer.

[Sociobiology]

anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

He's saying that being in the military don't make you top shot.

but on average trained people are better shots than untrained.

[Gun Manufacturers]

My uncle is currently an average Joe, but is retired US Air Force Security Forces, as well as a recently retired police officer. Trained, not a moron. I still shoot better than him at the range, and I have no military or police background (I just go shooting more often than he does).

anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

I'm merely pointing out that frequent practice CAN trump training.

[Sociobiology]

anecdotal evidence is not actual evidence.

I'm merely pointing out that frequent practice CAN trump training.

which should easily allow you to pass a test for a gun permit.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I'm merely pointing out that frequent practice CAN trump training.

which should easily allow you to pass a test for a gun permit.

I already have. I actually took the NRA Basic Pistol course twice. The first time I passed with no problems, but I procrastinated on submitting my paperwork. Eventually (3 years), I lost the certificate (I had a flood in my apartment, and had to move), so I retook the course and passed just as well as the first time.

[Saiwania]

A shotgun is an excellent weapon for when you don't have much time to practice aiming. All it takes is a general direction and you'll likely hit your target because of the spread of the shot. Which is why shotguns are the most practical for general use in hunting/defense.

[Big Jim Pimp]

A shotgun is an excellent weapon for when you don't have much time to practice aiming. All it takes is a general direction and you'll likely hit your target because of the spread of the shot. Which is why shotguns are the most practical for general use in hunting/defense.

Don't know much about guns do you?

[Sociobiology]

which should easily allow you to pass a test for a gun permit.

I already have. I actually took the NRA Basic Pistol course twice. The first time I passed with no problems, but I procrastinated on submitting my paperwork. Eventually (3 years), I lost the certificate (I had a flood in my apartment, and had to move), so I retook the course and passed just as well as the first time.

I meant an test for an actual permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety and law, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the permit can be revoked for gun violations (reckless endangerment, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of violent crime (armed robbery, attempted homicide, ect.).

To buy a firearm form any seller (including private sellers), to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant. so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales, but not invade privacy without just cause.

things like concealed carry, special collectors permits, and perhaps even different firearms type (shotgun, handgun, ect.) would be endorsements on the card, so only one card would be needed.

[Alouite]

I need a new gun for the Russian-made tank I bought 5 years ago.
But teh ebul Obammunist gubmint keeps its statist nazim00zlem grip on the ownership of 125mm single-shot smoothbore guns! It's a VIOLASHUN OF ME RIGHTS!

SECOND AMENDMENT! REMEMBER TEH ALAMO! TEH BLUNK OF THEIR EYES! STATES RIGHTS! FROM ME COLD DEHD HANDS! FREEEEDDUUUUUM!!!


Urr...

Sorry, you were saying...?

When did Obama get elected to run Italy?

When he got elected to run the US he got to control all of the US's unoffical puppets, like Canada, Italy, and (I hate to say it) Liberia

[Gun Manufacturers]

I already have. I actually took the NRA Basic Pistol course twice. The first time I passed with no problems, but I procrastinated on submitting my paperwork. Eventually (3 years), I lost the certificate (I had a flood in my apartment, and had to move), so I retook the course and passed just as well as the first time.

I meant an test for an actual permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety and law, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the permit can be revoked for gun violations (reckless endangerment, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of violent crime (armed robbery, attempted homicide, ect.).

To buy a firearm form any seller (including private sellers), to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant. so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales, but not invade privacy without just cause.

things like concealed carry, special collectors permits, and perhaps even different firearms type (shotgun, handgun, ect.) would be endorsements on the card, so only one card would be needed.

I already have my CT pistol permit, and I've had it since 2009 (it expires in 2014).

[Saiwania]

Don't know much about guns do you?

I had no firearms training whatsoever, on my first try with a shotgun I blasted all of the clay discs out of the air except one. You don't want a pistol or a rifle in a home because you can miss if you're not precise. What the shotgun has going for it is power, spread, and not too far of a range for the shot to travel. If you are a civilian, a shotgun is all that you should need for a home defense scenario. It is favored for hunting birds.

[Big Jim Pimp]

Don't know much about guns do you?

I had no firearms training whatsoever, on my first try with a shotgun I blasted all of the clay discs out of the air except one. You don't want a pistol or a rifle in a home because you can miss if you're not precise. What the shotgun has going for it is power, spread, and not too far of a range for the shot to travel. If you are a civilian, a shotgun is all that you should need for a home defense scenario. It is favored for hunting birds.

Your comment on the spread of shot was wrong. At home defense ranges, shot-spread is negligible.

[Sociobiology]

I meant an test for an actual permit.

My proposal
create a federal firearms permit.
It would be a lifetime permit

getting said permit requires a background check, a minimal fee to cover cost (~$5-15), a written test, a one afternoon class on firearms safety and law, and a practical test (demonstrate safety, hit a reasonable target at reasonable distance)

the permit can be revoked for gun violations (reckless endangerment, illegal sales, ect.) , diagnosis of a serious mental disorder, or conviction of violent crime (armed robbery, attempted homicide, ect.).

To buy a firearm form any seller (including private sellers), to buy certain parts(like receivers), and to buy ammunition you will need a valid permit.

Record of sales will be kept, but accessible only with a warrant. so law enforcement can track dirty gun dealers, and illegal sales, but not invade privacy without just cause.

things like concealed carry, special collectors permits, and perhaps even different firearms type (shotgun, handgun, ect.) would be endorsements on the card, so only one card would be needed.

I already have my CT pistol permit, and I've had it since 2009 (it expires in 2014).

ah Connecticut, a good starting point for how a permit should work.

[Sociobiology]

When did Obama get elected to run Italy?

When he got elected to run the US he got to control all of the US's unoffical puppets, like Canada, Italy, and (I hate to say it) Liberia

if you think Canada is a puppet of the US you are seriously deluded.

[Alouite]

When he got elected to run the US he got to control all of the US's unoffical puppets, like Canada, Italy, and (I hate to say it) Liberia

if you think Canada is a puppet of the US you are seriously deluded.

If we were invaded and called Canada to arms would they support us? If the US asks for basing rights in Canada would they be denied? If the US was caught spying on it's neighbors in North America would the Canadians act out? If the US invaded the Middle East for Oil would Canada Protest?

To All these Questions I think they would willingly take the U.S.'s side

[Sociobiology]

if you think Canada is a puppet of the US you are seriously deluded.

If we were invaded and called Canada to arms would they support us? If the US asks for basing rights in Canada would they be denied? If the US was caught spying on it's neighbors in North America would the Canadians act out? If the US invaded the Middle East for Oil would Canada Protest?

To All these Questions I think they would willingly take the U.S.'s side

then you don't watch the news.
oh and any country that is on good terms with another gives visiting citizens rights.
the US gives rights to visiting Chinese does that make the US a puppet of China?

[Alouite]

If we were invaded and called Canada to arms would they support us? If the US asks for basing rights in Canada would they be denied? If the US was caught spying on it's neighbors in North America would the Canadians act out? If the US invaded the Middle East for Oil would Canada Protest?

To All these Questions I think they would willingly take the U.S.'s side

then you don't watch the news.
oh and any country that is on good terms with another gives visiting citizens rights.
the US gives rights to visiting Chinese does that make the US a puppet of China?

Basing rights refers to the right to base military forces in a foreign nation, the US has this right in most nations, and if it asked Canada for those rights would they decline?

[Sociobiology]

then you don't watch the news.
oh and any country that is on good terms with another gives visiting citizens rights.
the US gives rights to visiting Chinese does that make the US a puppet of China?

Basing rights refers to the right to base military forces in a foreign nation, the US has this right in most nations, and if it asked Canada for those rights would they decline?

the have before

[Condunum]

He's saying that being in the military don't make you top shot.

but on average trained people are better shots than untrained.

Is lots of informal training meaningless or something?