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Grenartia wrote:

Trollgaard wrote:
One can argue that what is considered public decency is changing. You, and many of the folks on this forum are pushing to change it. I am comfortable with the way things are, and see nothing really wrong with it. That is all.

You probably don't see anything wrong with status quo. Because you're not negatively affected nor know anybody who is. But we are and we do.

Well, obviously.

Threlizdun wrote:

The Shia Califate wrote:Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

We should be intolerant of attitudes causing tremendous suffering and death.

Being uncomfortable won't directly cause "tremendous suffering and death". I really doubt that this bathroom thing is a matter of life and death.

The Shia Califate wrote:

The United Good wrote:From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

(Emphasis mine)

You keep using that word....

Trollgaard wrote:

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

Not at all. Note the use of male and men, female and women.

Those are related nouns and adjectives used as nouns. I...I don't get how that means you don't define a person with a penis, regardless of their gender identity, as a "man" and "male" and therefore they go to the men's room.

Trollgaard wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:Reality says otherwise

One American study of transgender adults found that approximately 50% of respondents were survivors of violence or abuse,(28) and another found that 25% of transgender respondents had experienced hate-motivated physical/sexual assault or attempted assault. 29 In a recent survey of transgender people and loved ones in BC (n=179), 26% reported needing anti-violence services at some point in their life. In examining reports of hate crimes against transgender people, researchers found that 98% of all “transgender” violence was perpetrated specifically against people in the male to-female spectrum; (30) of the 38 murders of transgender people reported internationally in 2003, 70% were women of colour. (31)

http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/lib ... vocacy.pdf

Transgender facts Although social acceptance for transgender people is growing, parents continue to abandon youth with gender-identity issues when their children need them most, advocates say. 49 per cent of transgender people attempt suicide. Transgender youth account for 18 per cent of homeless people in cities such as Chicago, but researchers estimate fewer than 1 in 1,000 people is transgender. 1 in 12 transgender people in America is murdered. Transgender youth whose parents pressure them to conform to their anatomical gender report higher levels of depression, illegal drug use, suicide attempts and unsafe sex than peers who receive little or no pressure from parents. Less than 1 to 1.5 per cent of individuals experience persistent regret after sex-reassignment surgery. Sources: Guidelines for Transgender Care (2006), Gender Spectrum Education and Training, Families in TRANSition (2008)

I'm talking about the bathroom issue, and that issue alone.

You don't think that shit happens in bathrooms, too?

The Shia Califate wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:We should be intolerant of attitudes causing tremendous suffering and death.

Being uncomfortable won't directly cause "tremendous suffering and death". I really doubt that this bathroom thing is a matter of life and death.

How many times do the words "one and twelve murdered" need to be spoken before you understand this is a matter of life and death?

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:

The Shia Califate wrote:Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

(Emphasis mine)

You keep using that word....

Oh yes, because shooting people with different opinions is not intolerant at all

Grenartia wrote:

Trollgaard wrote:
I'm talking about the bathroom issue, and that issue alone.

You don't think that shit happens in bathrooms, too?

the pun, It BURNS

Trollgaard wrote:Not at all. Note the use of male and men, female and women.

Well, cismen are fully men and are in many/most usages male. Transwomen are fully women and are in many/most usages female.

The bathrooms talk about men/gentlemen and women/ladies. They talk about gender, not sex, seemingly. (Anyway it is ridiculous to not offer at least one more choice - I'd go by at least men, women, gender-neutral/unisex and child-friendly -, because there are more than two sexes and more than two genders, but let's not get further complicated, as society is still running a snail race in this regard.)

So your logic doesn't apply again, this time not even by semantics it is support.

The Shia Califate wrote:

Threlizdun wrote:We should be intolerant of attitudes causing tremendous suffering and death.

Being uncomfortable won't directly cause "tremendous suffering and death". I really doubt that this bathroom thing is a matter of life and death.

Statistics have been mentioned and...oh. Well I don't have any anecdotes about a transgender person who was found out in a bathroom and murdered, unfortunately, or committed suicide. But I'm sure someone here does.

The Shia Califate wrote:

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
(Emphasis mine)

You keep using that word....

Oh yes, because shooting people with different opinions is not intolerant at all

I am going to go out on a limb and assume they aren't actually advocating that.

Belzia wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
You don't think that shit happens in bathrooms, too?

the pun, It BURNS

Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

No, they're a Trans Hit Squad.

Tarantino is looking at directing.

Is it wrong that I hate reality for not making that true?

The Holy Therns wrote:
We need a cool poster where we aim at the viewer while wearing shades.

There was a time when you could do a thread on "What would be the tagline for a Tarantino Film called 'Trans Hit Squad'"?

The Shia Califate wrote:Being uncomfortable won't directly cause "tremendous suffering and death". I really doubt that this bathroom thing is a matter of life and death.

With attitudes being what they are towards transgender people, it could genuinely cause tremendous suffering and death. Likewise, I see no reason to cause a person discomfort when it is wholly unnecessary to do so.

The Shia Califate wrote:

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
(Emphasis mine)

You keep using that word....

Oh yes, because shooting people with different opinions is not intolerant at all

Who is shooting anyone?

The only people I know who shoot people who have different opinions are anti-abortion terrorists.

Grenartia wrote:

Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:
No, they're a Trans Hit Squad.

Tarantino is looking at directing.

Is it wrong that I hate reality for not making that true?

Probably would be a great movie.

The Shia Califate wrote:

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
(Emphasis mine)

You keep using that word....

Oh yes, because shooting people with different opinions is not intolerant at all

No, it's just protecting yourself from their horrible opinions. /sarcasm

Grenartia wrote:
Is it wrong that I hate reality for not making that true?

It would be awesome if Trans Hit Squad took in 120 mil on opening weekend, and spawned a series of first person shooters that Gamer Magazine would later say "Makes Halo look like a handjob from your fat aunt".

Oneracon wrote:

The Shia Califate wrote:Oh yes, because shooting people with different opinions is not intolerant at all

Who is shooting anyone?

The only people I know who shoot people who have different opinions are anti-abortion terrorists.

The individual that they initially targeted made a comment about using the anti-trans advocates as cardboard at a shooting range. Apparently Shia Califate here presumes they were being serious with that comment.

Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Is it wrong that I hate reality for not making that true?

It would be awesome if Trans Hit Squad took in 120 mil on opening weekend, and spawned a series of first person shooters that Gamer Magazine would later say "Makes Halo look like a handjob from your fat aunt".

It was a good handjob.

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:...because there are more than two sexes...

How are we defining sexes in this context? I usually rely on the presence of at least one Y-chromosome to determine maleness. Some people seem to consider other things, though.

Trollgaard wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

I didn't say that. I was getting at that this happens in almost every thread that has to do with trans things. Everyone goes bonkers if someone has a differing opinion.

Yes, because opinions that make needlessly life worse for people are generally shitty opinions. Do I not have the right to tell you that you have a shitty opinion if it will directly make life worse for me, especially if I can prove that it will?

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:

Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:
It would be awesome if Trans Hit Squad took in 120 mil on opening weekend, and spawned a series of first person shooters that Gamer Magazine would later say "Makes Halo look like a handjob from your fat aunt".

It was a good handjob.

I was going to say, "after all, what's really a 'bad' handjobs?" and then I realized this is NSG and people would answer it and get upset about the answer and eventually it would be about whether a baby is a parasite.

Grenartia wrote:

Trollgaard wrote:
I didn't say that. I was getting at that this happens in almost every thread that has to do with trans things. Everyone goes bonkers if someone has a differing opinion.

Yes, because opinions that make needlessly life worse for people are generally shitty opinions. Do I not have the right to tell you that you have a shitty opinion if it will directly make life worse for me, especially if I can prove that it will?

And again, I don't care because I don't know you. For all I know you could be a robot/computer program.

If I knew you in the real world and you were having problems, then yes, I may rally to your cause. I haven't been affected personally, so this issue is really really low on my radar.

Sorry if that irritates you.