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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:06 am

Heleventia wrote:Well thats what you get fore defying God's wishes and becoming a trans and toying with your gender. However, I do feel bad for that trans minor. How can it know when it is neither emotionally nor mentally mature enough to decide about its life? What were its parents doing and how could they allow such a blasphemy? BTW, what happened to the anti-LGBT. I guess they should be banned and thrown in jail for this. And the trans to a rehabilitation centre and its parent to a parental class.

Thanks for posting that ignorant, dehumanizing piece of shit of a post.
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:06 am

Heleventia wrote:What the hell, no not at all.

But Trans people have brain structures which are similar to others of their chosen gender. Why would God make them like that if He did not intend them to change to suit who they really are?

Immoren wrote:They.


(Some people actually prefer "It" because "They" in the singular implies that you don't know what gender someone is, but... you do. And saying "It is for objects, not for people" comes from the fact that "It" is a gender-neutral pronoun and the assumption that gender-neutral pronouns are for objects and not for people, so not using "It" is even more dehumanising that using it.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because the person being referred to is female, so you should use "She".)
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Postby Heleventia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:07 am

Immoren wrote:
Heleventia wrote:Well thats what you get fore defying God's wishes

Who are you to claim to know your YHWH's wishes?

Heleventia wrote: and becoming a trans and toying with your gender.

You are or are not trans. You just don't become one.
Heleventia wrote:However, I do feel bad for that trans minor. How can it know when it is neither emotionally nor mentally mature enough to decide about its life?

Stop using "it". It's dehumanizing

Heleventia wrote:What were its parents doing and how could they allow such a blasphemy?

Blasphemy according to whom?


Heleventia wrote:And the trans to a rehabilitation centre and its parent to a parental class.

What? Why?


1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:08 am

Zottistan wrote:i) You don't "become" trans, any more than you "become" black.

But Michael Jackson "became" white. *nods*
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:10 am

Heleventia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Who are you to claim to know your YHWH's wishes?


You are or are not trans. You just don't become one.

Stop using "it". It's dehumanizing


Blasphemy according to whom?



What? Why?


1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.

1. If that were true, intersex people and gender dysphoria wouldn't exist.

2. Actually, you are wrong, but then of course your beliefs on this matter do seem to be extremely simplistic and uninformed, so I supposed it can't be helped.

3. How about you call someone who identifies as a man "he" and someone who identifies as a woman "she"?

4. Well, you clearly aren't an expert.

5. Source your bullshit.
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Postby Caelifera » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:10 am

Heleventia wrote:1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

The God I know says that all men and women are created equal in His eyes.

Heleventia wrote:2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

Congratulations on not reading what others have put forward

Heleventia wrote:3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

Pointless circular argument

Heleventia wrote:4. According to me.

See above

Heleventia wrote:5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.

If anything your parents failed because you aren't accepting of others because they're 'different'

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Postby Zottistan » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:10 am

Kleveburg wrote:
Zottistan wrote:i) You don't "become" trans, any more than you "become" black.
ii) Sex, not gender. Your gender simply is, your sex is what's generally fixed.
iii) By not being trans, you'd being defying the wishes of the god I just made up right now. Who's wishes are exactly as valid as the wishes of whichever god you believe in.

Meaning you don't 'change' your gender at all, per se. You may change some of your features. But you are what you're born as. Just like if you're born black, you can't 'become' white or being born straight, you can't 'become' gay.

Exactly. A person doesn't "change" their gender. They alter their body to suit the gender they were born as. Now you're getting it.
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Zottistan wrote:i) You don't "become" trans, any more than you "become" black.

But Michael Jackson "became" white. *nods*

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Postby Immoren » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:11 am

Heleventia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Who are you to claim to know your YHWH's wishes?


You are or are not trans. You just don't become one.

Stop using "it". It's dehumanizing


Blasphemy according to whom?



What? Why?


1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.


1.)What hubris you have.
2)They change their physical form to resemble what they feel inside.
3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
4)Are you Church? Are you God?
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:12 am

Heleventia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Who are you to claim to know your YHWH's wishes?


You are or are not trans. You just don't become one.

Stop using "it". It's dehumanizing


Blasphemy according to whom?



What? Why?


1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.

1,2: Look up at my post.
3: "They" is also (arguably colloquially) used as a singular for someone of unknown gender. Plus, you can just use their chosen pronoun.
4: What you're saying is blasphemy according to me. I won't stop you saying it, though, because it's a matter of whose god says what, and people have been trying to prove/disprove god(s) for years and still haven't, so let's not drag this down that road.
5: They may have suffered trauma due to the bullying from others, but transgenderism isn't even a mental disorder.

And hells, Asperger syndrome is a mental disorder, which I have, and I haven't suffered "Trauma" from it. Mental disorder =/> trauma.
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Postby Olthar » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:12 am

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar.

Incorrect. The singular "they" is actually grammatically correct and has centuries of historical precedent. The belief that it is only plural is a modern invention.
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Postby Heleventia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:14 am

Liriena wrote:
Heleventia wrote:Well thats what you get fore defying God's wishes and becoming a trans and toying with your gender. However, I do feel bad for that trans minor. How can it know when it is neither emotionally nor mentally mature enough to decide about its life? What were its parents doing and how could they allow such a blasphemy? BTW, what happened to the anti-LGBT. I guess they should be banned and thrown in jail for this. And the trans to a rehabilitation centre and its parent to a parental class.

Thanks for posting that ignorant, dehumanizing piece of shit of a post.


I believe my use of "it" makes sense as one can refer to animals as "it" (and not he or she, as people wrongly do) and human beings are animals, so there's nothing wrong with that but incase, anyone has a problem and for some utterly bizarre reason find its use "dehumanising" I will amend it for I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings.

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Heleventia wrote:What the hell, no not at all.

But Trans people have brain structures which are similar to others of their chosen gender. Why would God make them like that if He did not intend them to change to suit who they really are?

Immoren wrote:They.


(Some people actually prefer "It" because "They" in the singular implies that you don't know what gender someone is, but... you do. And saying "It is for objects, not for people" comes from the fact that "It" is a gender-neutral pronoun and the assumption that gender-neutral pronouns are for objects and not for people, so not using "It" is even more dehumanising that using it.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because the person being referred to is female, so you should use "She".)


You ask that to God. I just know that God don't like LGBTs. Its in the Bible and since you folks keep on shouting source, source and source, here you go: http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible- ... uality.htm
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Postby Olthar » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:15 am

Zottistan wrote:
Olthar wrote:But Michael Jackson "became" white. *nods*

There are exceptions to every rule.

Well of course. He's the King of Pop, after all, and kings can break all kinds of rules.
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Postby Ayreonia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:15 am

Heleventia wrote:


I believe my use of "it" makes sense as one can refer to animals as "it" (and not he or she, as people wrongly do) and human beings are animals, so there's nothing wrong with that but incase, anyone has a problem and for some utterly bizarre reason find its use "dehumanising" I will amend it for I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Jormengand wrote:But Trans people have brain structures which are similar to others of their chosen gender. Why would God make them like that if He did not intend them to change to suit who they really are?



(Some people actually prefer "It" because "They" in the singular implies that you don't know what gender someone is, but... you do. And saying "It is for objects, not for people" comes from the fact that "It" is a gender-neutral pronoun and the assumption that gender-neutral pronouns are for objects and not for people, so not using "It" is even more dehumanising that using it.

Then again, it doesn't really matter because the person being referred to is female, so you should use "She".)


You ask that to God. I just know that God don't like LGBTs. Its in the Bible and since you folks keep on shouting source, source and source, here you go: http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible- ... uality.htm

Why should we care what Gawd thinks?
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:16 am

Heleventia wrote:You ask that to God. I just know that God don't like LGBTs. Its in the Bible and since you folks keep on shouting source, source and source, here you go: http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible- ... uality.htm

I hate to tell you, but The Bible was not originally written in English.
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Postby Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:16 am

If you "identify as" Jesus, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" Superman and think you can leap from buildings and fly, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" the opposite gender that you are, you're classified as a poor victim of oppression and mutilated to coincide with your mental illness instead of receiving proper treatment.

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Postby Caelifera » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:17 am

Heleventia wrote:http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible-Verses/a/Bible-Verses-Homosexuality.htm


Bringing in religion to support your side in a cultural debate. How quaint.

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Postby Immoren » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:17 am

Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie wrote:If you "identify as" Jesus, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" Superman and think you can leap from buildings and fly, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" the opposite gender that you are, you're classified as a poor victim of oppression and mutilated to coincide with your mental illness instead of receiving proper treatment.

I hate this world. Really, I do.

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Why isn't SRS correct treatment?
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Postby Jormengand » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am

Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie wrote:If you "identify as" Jesus, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" Superman and think you can leap from buildings and fly, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you can prove that you have the same brain as Jesus then people may start taking you seriously.
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am

Heleventia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Who are you to claim to know your YHWH's wishes?


You are or are not trans. You just don't become one.

Stop using "it". It's dehumanizing


Blasphemy according to whom?



What? Why?


1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.

1. My god disagrees. Checkmate.

2. Probably not, there are usually strict psychological screening procedures to make sure only genuinely trans people can get sex reassignment treatments.

3. Oh, joy, this again.

4. And you have what validity as a medium for what god considers blasphemy? You're not the pope, are you?
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Postby Zottistan » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am

Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie wrote:If you "identify as" Jesus, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" Superman and think you can leap from buildings and fly, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" the opposite gender that you are, you're classified as a poor victim of oppression and mutilated to coincide with your mental illness instead of receiving proper treatment.

I hate this world. Really, I do.

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If you could get surgery to become Jesus or Superman, the world would be a much better place.
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Postby Caelifera » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am

Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie wrote:If you "identify as" Jesus, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" Superman and think you can leap from buildings and fly, you're classified as mentally ill.

If you "identify as" the opposite gender that you are, you're classified as a poor victim of oppression and mutilated to coincide with your mental illness instead of receiving proper treatment.


Aaaah, yes, the classic 'train' argument.

Tell me, when was Jesus or Superman a gender. Or are you just going to sign your post and go away. Either way you'll be in the wrong because you refuse to open your eyes for more than a few seconds to see what you're actually saying. Sit down and do some research instead of shooting off baseless opinions.

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Postby Heleventia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Heleventia wrote:
1. This is common sense. God either makes you a male or female. He never expects males to turn females or vice versa.

2. Wait there, Trans people are like who are born male or female but they change their gender because they are fed up with their original gender. I am not wrong, am I?

3. If I use "they", I will be violating the rules of English grammar. "They" is a plural pronoun and in question there is just one person.

4. According to me.

5. Because that person is in need of intense care to be relived of the trauma "they" has suffered and the parents are certainly a failure.

1. If that were true, intersex people and gender dysphoria wouldn't exist.

2. Actually, you are wrong, but then of course your beliefs on this matter do seem to be extremely simplistic and uninformed, so I supposed it can't be helped.

3. How about you call someone who identifies as a man "he" and someone who identifies as a woman "she"?

4. Well, you clearly aren't an expert.

5. Source your bullshit.


1. Actually God created all those things because he wanted people to live with them but when they toy with such things they are in fact toying with God.

2. Please stop behaving as if I am dumb.

3. See my above post for source
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Postby Heleventia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:20 am

Ayreonia wrote:
Heleventia wrote:
I believe my use of "it" makes sense as one can refer to animals as "it" (and not he or she, as people wrongly do) and human beings are animals, so there's nothing wrong with that but incase, anyone has a problem and for some utterly bizarre reason find its use "dehumanising" I will amend it for I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings.



You ask that to God. I just know that God don't like LGBTs. Its in the Bible and since you folks keep on shouting source, source and source, here you go: http://christianity.about.com/od/Bible- ... uality.htm

Why should we care what Gawd thinks?


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Postby Die Neue Deutsche Volkskolonie » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:20 am

Immoren wrote:Why isn't SRS correct treatment?


Why isn't it correct treatment for a schizophrenic to be told the voices in his head are real?

Why isn't it correct treatment for Superman-man to get glider wings grafted onto his backbone so he can fly?

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Postby Ayreonia » Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:20 am

Heleventia wrote:
Ayreonia wrote:Why should we care what Gawd thinks?


Because they created you!!!

Your god certainly didn't.
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