Anti-LGBTI Hate Group Persecuting Trans Minor

[Oneracon]

Enforcement of it, though, is.

Well, I don't think so.

So who should we be hiring to check the insides of people's pants when they go into bathrooms then?

We'll have to be careful who we hire for the schools. Think of the children, and all that.

[The Shia Califate]

I think he's trying to say that an internal struggle is nothing compared to suffering from famine in central Africa.

I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".

You're really grasping at straws here (assuming I'm using that expression correctly). A Tran won't die if they aren't dressed as the opposite gender, though it would be difficult I'd assume.

[Threlizdun]

Reality says otherwise

One American study of transgender adults found that approximately 50% of respondents were survivors of violence or abuse,(28) and another found that 25% of transgender respondents had experienced hate-motivated physical/sexual assault or attempted assault. 29 In a recent survey of transgender people and loved ones in BC (n=179), 26% reported needing anti-violence services at some point in their life. In examining reports of hate crimes against transgender people, researchers found that 98% of all “transgender” violence was perpetrated specifically against people in the male to-female spectrum; (30) of the 38 murders of transgender people reported internationally in 2003, 70% were women of colour. (31)

http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/lib ... vocacy.pdf

Transgender facts Although social acceptance for transgender people is growing, parents continue to abandon youth with gender-identity issues when their children need them most, advocates say. 49 per cent of transgender people attempt suicide. Transgender youth account for 18 per cent of homeless people in cities such as Chicago, but researchers estimate fewer than 1 in 1,000 people is transgender. 1 in 12 transgender people in America is murdered. Transgender youth whose parents pressure them to conform to their anatomical gender report higher levels of depression, illegal drug use, suicide attempts and unsafe sex than peers who receive little or no pressure from parents. Less than 1 to 1.5 per cent of individuals experience persistent regret after sex-reassignment surgery. Sources: Guidelines for Transgender Care (2006), Gender Spectrum Education and Training, Families in TRANSition (2008)

I'm talking about the bathroom issue, and that issue alone.

That is related to the above. Primarily, the reasons you have been giving for opposing access of transgenders to the bathroom corresponding to their gender is the mindset fueling the above.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.

Again, I don't think males using the men's room, and females using the women's room as a social norm is an injustice or oppressive.

That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.

Glad that we finally agree.

[Especially Dirty Hippies]

Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

No, they're a Trans Hit Squad.

Tarantino is looking at directing.

[Threlizdun]

I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".

You're really grasping at straws here (assuming I'm using that expression correctly). A Tran won't die if they aren't dressed as the opposite gender, though it would be difficult I'd assume.

One in twelve trans persons murdered for that reason disagree.

[Grenartia]

No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples, and not really what I'm concerned about.

I'm concerned about public decency.

And as always, the trans hit squad has arrived and call everyone who doesn't froth at the mouth for trans people bigots or stupid and what not, getting quite tired of this.

I've said my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

What is it about being trans that detracts from public decency?

Indeed. I'm also wondering why somebody would actually pretend to be trans*, or what sexual orientation has to do with this topic.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I remember seeing, I think, your flag being replaced with the Ex Nation grayed out box with an X over it. I think. I'm rather tired.

Ah, no CTE. But thanks for the welcome back.

You're welcome.

[Trollgaard]

No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples, and not really what I'm concerned about.

I'm concerned about public decency.

And as always, the trans hit squad has arrived and call everyone who doesn't froth at the mouth for trans people bigots or stupid and what not, getting quite tired of this.

I've said my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

I didn't say that. I was getting at that this happens in almost every thread that has to do with trans things. Everyone goes bonkers if someone has a differing opinion.

[Especially Dirty Hippies]

Well, I don't think so.

So who should we be hiring to check the insides of people's pants when they go into bathrooms then?

We'll have to be careful who we hire for the schools. Think of the children, and all that.

As a founding member of the Middle America Ball Checker's Union Local #2339, I can assure you that our apprentice screening is thorough. For the most part.

[The United Good]

From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Again, I don't think males using the men's room, and females using the women's room as a social norm is an injustice or oppressive.

That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.

Glad that we finally agree.

I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

[Grenartia]

Public decency is that which protects the physical, mental, and emotional health of the public, which you are refusing to do.

One can argue that what is considered public decency is changing. You, and many of the folks on this forum are pushing to change it. I am comfortable with the way things are, and see nothing really wrong with it. That is all.

You probably don't see anything wrong with status quo. Because you're not negatively affected nor know anybody who is. But we are and we do.

[Threlizdun]

That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.

Glad that we finally agree.

I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

They understand that. They are pointing out a flaw in his logic

[The Shia Califate]

From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

[The Holy Therns]

Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

No, they're a Trans Hit Squad.

Tarantino is looking at directing.

We need a cool poster where we aim at the viewer while wearing shades.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".

You're really grasping at straws here (assuming I'm using that expression correctly). A Tran won't die if they aren't dressed as the opposite gender, though it would be difficult I'd assume.

You are actually the least empathetic one here (using the typical "hunger in Africa" strawman fallacy).

So one should have the right to punish someone that does something that is not harming anybody? People have rights to their own bodies and clothing choice, you know. And yes, the mentality that implies that transgender people should only be respected as only as they remain silent and in the closet leads to their grave suffering.

It is a REAL thing. A depression caused by suppression of gender dysphoria is one of the worst kinds and causes an important part of the whole suicide statistics in every country.

[Oneracon]

Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.

Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?

I didn't say that. I was getting at that this happens in almost every thread that has to do with trans things. Everyone goes bonkers if someone has a differing opinion.

People want to call out BS by people who are in favour of relegating a minority group to second-class status... yup, totally bonkers.

[Trollgaard]

That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.

Glad that we finally agree.

I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

Not at all. Note the use of male and men, female and women.

[Threlizdun]

From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

We should be intolerant of attitudes causing tremendous suffering and death.

[Oneracon]

From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

"A civilized nation, like a civilized people, do not tolerate intolerance in the name of tolerance"
- Scott Gardiner

[The Holy Therns]

From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.

Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Threlizdun]

I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

Not at all. Note the use of male and men, female and women.

Yes, males are men and females are women. This has nothing to do with their sex.

[Oneracon]

I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.

Not at all. Note the use of male and men, female and women.

Transgender people are males/men and females/women.

[Evraim]

So who do you want to hire to be looking at children's genitals whenever they go to the bathroom?

Ye- No. Of course not. That's the last thing I want.