So who should we be hiring to check the insides of people's pants when they go into bathrooms then?
We'll have to be careful who we hire for the schools. Think of the children, and all that.
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by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:15 pm
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by The Shia Califate » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:16 pm
Oneracon wrote:The Shia Califate wrote:I think he's trying to say that an internal struggle is nothing compared to suffering from famine in central Africa.
I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".
by Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:16 pm
That is related to the above. Primarily, the reasons you have been giving for opposing access of transgenders to the bathroom corresponding to their gender is the mindset fueling the above.Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Reality says otherwiseOne American study of transgender adults found that approximately 50% of respondents were survivors of violence or abuse,(28) and another found that 25% of transgender respondents had experienced hate-motivated physical/sexual assault or attempted assault. 29 In a recent survey of transgender people and loved ones in BC (n=179), 26% reported needing anti-violence services at some point in their life. In examining reports of hate crimes against transgender people, researchers found that 98% of all “transgender” violence was perpetrated specifically against people in the male to-female spectrum; (30) of the 38 murders of transgender people reported internationally in 2003, 70% were women of colour. (31)
http://transhealth.vch.ca/resources/lib ... vocacy.pdfTransgender facts Although social acceptance for transgender people is growing, parents continue to abandon youth with gender-identity issues when their children need them most, advocates say. 49 per cent of transgender people attempt suicide. Transgender youth account for 18 per cent of homeless people in cities such as Chicago, but researchers estimate fewer than 1 in 1,000 people is transgender. 1 in 12 transgender people in America is murdered. Transgender youth whose parents pressure them to conform to their anatomical gender report higher levels of depression, illegal drug use, suicide attempts and unsafe sex than peers who receive little or no pressure from parents. Less than 1 to 1.5 per cent of individuals experience persistent regret after sex-reassignment surgery. Sources: Guidelines for Transgender Care (2006), Gender Spectrum Education and Training, Families in TRANSition (2008)
I'm talking about the bathroom issue, and that issue alone.
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:16 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Oneracon wrote:Your lack of empathy towards your fellow humans is disgusting, suffering and persecution should not be tolerated no matter how many people are concerned.
Again, I don't think males using the men's room, and females using the women's room as a social norm is an injustice or oppressive.
by Especially Dirty Hippies » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:17 pm
Grenartia wrote:
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.
Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?
by Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:17 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:Oneracon wrote:I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".
You're really grasping at straws here (assuming I'm using that expression correctly). A Tran won't die if they aren't dressed as the opposite gender, though it would be difficult I'd assume.
by Grenartia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:17 pm
Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:Trollgaard wrote:No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples, and not really what I'm concerned about.
I'm concerned about public decency.
And as always, the trans hit squad has arrived and call everyone who doesn't froth at the mouth for trans people bigots or stupid and what not, getting quite tired of this.
I've said my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
What is it about being trans that detracts from public decency?
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:17 pm
by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:18 pm
Grenartia wrote:Trollgaard wrote:
No, but how do I know they are transgender, and what if they are transgender lesbian? These are ridiculous examples, and not really what I'm concerned about.
I'm concerned about public decency.
And as always, the trans hit squad has arrived and call everyone who doesn't froth at the mouth for trans people bigots or stupid and what not, getting quite tired of this.
I've said my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.
Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?
by Especially Dirty Hippies » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:18 pm
by The United Good » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:19 pm
by The United Colonies of Earth » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:19 pm
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Trollgaard wrote:Again, I don't think males using the men's room, and females using the women's room as a social norm is an injustice or oppressive.
That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.
Glad that we finally agree.
by Grenartia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:20 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Threlizdun wrote:Public decency is that which protects the physical, mental, and emotional health of the public, which you are refusing to do.
One can argue that what is considered public decency is changing. You, and many of the folks on this forum are pushing to change it. I am comfortable with the way things are, and see nothing really wrong with it. That is all.
by Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:20 pm
They understand that. They are pointing out a flaw in his logicThe United Colonies of Earth wrote:Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.
Glad that we finally agree.
I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.
by The Shia Califate » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm
The United Good wrote:From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.
by The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm
Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.
Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?
No, they're a Trans Hit Squad.
Tarantino is looking at directing.
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by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:Oneracon wrote:I fail to see how a trans person being murdered because of their identity (some statistics say a trans person is murdered every three days) is an "internal struggle".
You're really grasping at straws here (assuming I'm using that expression correctly). A Tran won't die if they aren't dressed as the opposite gender, though it would be difficult I'd assume.
by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm
Trollgaard wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Ah, yes, when you're being called out on your shit, automatically assume a conspiracy against you by your opponents. That's TOTALLY intellectually honest, right there.
Ever consider that maybe this thread is fairly fucking active, and its at the top of page 1 of NSG right now, so more people are seeing this thread, instead of "omg they're calling in their friends"?
I didn't say that. I was getting at that this happens in almost every thread that has to do with trans things. Everyone goes bonkers if someone has a differing opinion.
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by Trollgaard » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:That is why we are campaigning for the right of transmen to be equal to cismen in their access to the men's restrooms, and for transwomen to be equal in relation to ciswomen in their access to the women's restrooms. It isn't unjust or oppressive to cisgender people in any possible way.
Glad that we finally agree.
I think he's defining men and women based on genitals, that's why he doesn't understand the plight of transgender people.
by Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:22 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:The United Good wrote:From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.
Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.
by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:22 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:The United Good wrote:From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.
Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.
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by The Holy Therns » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:23 pm
The Shia Califate wrote:The United Good wrote:From the school's perspective, the transgender youth should be allowed to use the appropriate staff washroom. The students in the video should be given extra counselling so that they are given an opportunity to understand what their classmate is going through. If they remain douches, they should be encouraged to hold cardboard targets for the local sharpshooting team.
Again with the intolerance. People have natural aversion to things they aren't used to seeing.
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by Oneracon » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:23 pm
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