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Postby Aeken » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:01 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Aeken wrote:What are you referring to?


"Lets spread democracy, one bomb after the next, one destroyed child after the next, one Abu Ghraib after the next, one Mobutu after the next, one Basra after the next, one Diem or Sygman or Park Cheung hee after the next, one Shah Pahlavi after the next, one apartheid regime after the next, one Pinochet after the next, one Saud after the next, so on so forth".


Those were bad things, yes. But what are you trying to say?

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
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Neo-liberals are the very essence of this movement alongside neo-conservatives.

No, these conspirators assumed they had a secure line through which they could exchange information, some hacker got them in the arse, the leak is the result.

Is there a PDF available for the entire plan?


There might be, so I will continue to shovel through Google for them.

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Souriya Al-Assad wrote:If I succeed in making a Sixth Republic, I will ally with Venezuela, help them fight through these times, thence make their Chavista movement rise anew.


You're not going to, and that's a good thing.


The problem with that is that your are mistaken. I am serious about what I want to achieve. Do not be surprised once I realise it.

Aeken wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
"Lets spread democracy, one bomb after the next, one destroyed child after the next, one Abu Ghraib after the next, one Mobutu after the next, one Basra after the next, one Diem or Sygman or Park Cheung hee after the next, one Shah Pahlavi after the next, one apartheid regime after the next, one Pinochet after the next, one Saud after the next, so on so forth".


Those were bad things, yes. But what are you trying to say?


There is NO such thing as "spreading democracy". The entire idea is a load of lies excusing modern, corporate driven imperialism. What I have seen this idea unleash unto those countries is a tragedy.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:05 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
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Well, no, I mean they brought this on themselves. I know that. But I feel sad that they were so misguided into thinking that the Chaveze's and Maduro's of the world held the solution. More often than not, voting for something that seems too good to be true, probably is. In this case, they were promised jobs and hope and will probably end up with neither.


Probably. But now Venezuela is stuck with him and nobody is strong enough to start a revolution.


Not to mention would you really want a revolution when the outcome would be unknown?

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Postby Aeken » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:07 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Aeken wrote:Those were bad things, yes. But what are you trying to say?


There is NO such thing as "spreading democracy". The entire idea is a load of lies excusing modern, corporate driven imperialism. What I have seen this idea unleash unto those countries is a tragedy.

I didn't even mention anything you're saying... O.o

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:17 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:vile right-wing noodles

Proud member of the Vile Right-Wing Noodle Combat Division of the Imperialist Anti-Socialist Economic War Army Ground Force reporting in.

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Postby North American States » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:25 pm

If I succeed in making a Sixth Republic, I will ally with Venezuela, help them fight through these times, thence make their Chavista movement rise anew.


Yes...of course YOU, nameless person on the internet #0587096, YOU, above all people, is going to launch a new french revolution that will install a new french regime!....despite the fact that nobody wants it since the current one works well. Hint: If you really are a true blooded revolutionary you don't post your intentions or plans for regime change on THE INTERNET....especially on nationstates. Can't really decide if you are a troll, a joker, or just outright delusional.

Now, on Venezuela. Venezuela is a classic latin american story, populists running wild and ruining a nation that could be very very rich. Venezuela is Argentina 2.0, Argentina was at one time one of the wealthiest countries on earth and blew it all because of lousy statesmanship, and it´s a real shame too since it could be (and was) so much more. The only thing im surprised is Maduro not pulling a "falklands" to try and prop up his failing regime....
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Postby Miyager » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:29 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:The problem with that is that your are mistaken. I am serious about what I want to achieve. Do not be surprised once I realise it.


Everything I've seen you post so far leads me further into the belief that it's not going to happen.

We're all serious about achieving things in our lives. Sometimes they never happen though.
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Postby Neoconstantius » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:39 pm

"On 24 October 2013 the president announced the creation of a new agency, the Vice Ministry of Supreme Happiness, to coordinate all the social programmes."
How can you not like this guy?




But seriously, this is bad.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:43 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:
On 24 October 2013 the president announced the creation of a new agency, the Vice Ministry of Supreme Happiness, to coordinate all the social programmes.

How can you not like this guy?




But seriously, this is bad.

Maybe Colombia will liberate them.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:43 pm

Gaveo wrote:At least Chile is doing well... :s

Seriously, though, poor Venezuela. The sooner this idiot is removed from office the sooner that country can recover from years of the failed policies of the Chavistas.


Funny thing is, of the current socialist countries in South America, only Argentina and Ecuador seem to be doing well. The latter especially (despite it's horrible treatment of journalists not singing from the government hymn book) is actually seeing significant growth and was the third fastest growing economy in Latin America.

Correa may be an idiot sometimes, but he's certainly got the economics thing sorted.

Miyager wrote:Everything I've seen you post so far leads me further into the belief that it's not going to happen.

We're all serious about achieving things in our lives. Sometimes they never happen though.


He lives in a fantasy world where fiction is truth and truth is fiction.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:43 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:
On 24 October 2013 the president announced the creation of a new agency, the Vice Ministry of Supreme Happiness, to coordinate all the social programmes.

How can you not like this guy?




But seriously, this is bad.

Sounds like something right out of Best Korea.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:46 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Well, no, I mean they brought this on themselves. I know that. But I feel sad that they were so misguided into thinking that the Chaveze's and Maduro's of the world held the solution. More often than not, voting for something that seems too good to be true, probably is. In this case, they were promised jobs and hope and will probably end up with neither.


Probably. But now Venezuela is stuck with him and nobody is strong enough to start a revolution.

The military has tried over 10 coups at various times in Venezuela's history, but a military puppet is not a good idea.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:52 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Minarchist States wrote:
Probably. But now Venezuela is stuck with him and nobody is strong enough to start a revolution.

The military has tried over 10 coups at various times in Venezuela's history, but a military puppet is not a good idea.

I think he is going for not as bad as the status quo.
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Postby Dakran » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:07 pm

Screw the military occupying the stores, who the hell hoards 3800 rolls of Toilet Paper?!
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:21 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:
On 24 October 2013 the president announced the creation of a new agency, the Vice Ministry of Supreme Happiness, to coordinate all the social programmes.

How can you not like this guy?




But seriously, this is bad.


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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:22 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:How can you not like this guy?




But seriously, this is bad.


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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:22 pm

Dakran wrote:Screw the military occupying the stores, who the hell hoards 3800 rolls of Toilet Paper?!


People who gotta go. A lot.

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Postby Costa Alegria » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:32 pm

Dakran wrote:Screw the military occupying the stores, who the hell hoards 3800 rolls of Toilet Paper?!


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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:43 pm

Dakran wrote:Screw the military occupying the stores, who the hell hoards 3800 rolls of Toilet Paper?!

My guess is people who are selling it on the grey market, aka not within government price controls.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:33 am

North American States wrote:
If I succeed in making a Sixth Republic, I will ally with Venezuela, help them fight through these times, thence make their Chavista movement rise anew.


Yes...of course YOU, nameless person on the internet #0587096, YOU, above all people, is going to launch a new french revolution that will install a new french regime!....despite the fact that nobody wants it since the current one works well. Hint: If you really are a true blooded revolutionary you don't post your intentions or plans for regime change on THE INTERNET....especially on nationstates. Can't really decide if you are a troll, a joker, or just outright delusional.

Now, on Venezuela. Venezuela is a classic latin american story, populists running wild and ruining a nation that could be very very rich. Venezuela is Argentina 2.0, Argentina was at one time one of the wealthiest countries on earth and blew it all because of lousy statesmanship, and it´s a real shame too since it could be (and was) so much more. The only thing im surprised is Maduro not pulling a "falklands" to try and prop up his failing regime....


So?

Qatif & Bahrain's revolutionaries are posting their intentions on Twitter of all places.

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:52 am

It is indeed full pants-on-head retarded, but I'd still rather go Venezuela than Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador or Dominican Republic, some of the American-supported reactionary right-leaning countries here. By far. Actually I'd still prefer Venezuela over Mexico or Chile (though cultural reasons influence these).
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:55 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It is indeed full pants-on-head retarded, but I'd still rather go Venezuela than Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador or Dominican Republic, some of the American-supported reactionary right-leaning countries here. By far. Actually I'd still prefer Venezuela over Mexico or Chile (though cultural reasons influence these).


Nicaragua, American supported?
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:58 am

Gauthier wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It is indeed full pants-on-head retarded, but I'd still rather go Venezuela than Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador or Dominican Republic, some of the American-supported reactionary right-leaning countries here. By far. Actually I'd still prefer Venezuela over Mexico or Chile (though cultural reasons influence these).

Nicaragua, American supported?

I thought relations between these were much better nowadays, but still.

Whatever. Honduras then. You guys even had an oldschool-style coup against a democratically elected left-leaning President there.

EDIT: just as in Paraguay. Clearly under someone else's sphere of influence, the only reason why it isn't so stupidly obvious this time. But it won't be forgotten. *glares*
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Postby Costa Alegria » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:15 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:It is indeed full pants-on-head retarded, but I'd still rather go Venezuela than Paraguay, Nicaragua, El Salvador or Dominican Republic, some of the American-supported reactionary right-leaning countries here. By far. Actually I'd still prefer Venezuela over Mexico or Chile (though cultural reasons influence these).


You want to live in a country that has shortages of basic goods and a collapsing healthcare system with no jobs and massive amounts of violent crime? How much paint do you have to huff if you think Venezuela is a nice place?
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Postby The Corparation » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:21 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Nicaragua, American supported?

I thought relations between these were much better nowadays, but still.

Whatever. Honduras then. You guys even had an oldschool-style coup against a democratically elected left-leaning President there.

EDIT: just as in Paraguay. Clearly under someone else's sphere of influence, the only reason why it isn't so stupidly obvious this time. But it won't be forgotten. *glares*

Relations are better, but the FSLN is still one of the larger political parties in the country and they aren't likely to forget the US's backing of the Somoza regime and Regan's subsequent backing of the Contras. They're on decent terms with the US, but I'd hardly call them American Supported. And as for reactionary right leaning, the FSLN remains the dominate political party, and if you know anything about them you would know that they are not right leaning.

Also on the subject of Paraguay, does anyone here want some shitty Made in Taiwan Paraguay Flag pins. Me and my friends bought a shitload of them at a Thrift Store because and we're curious as to what we should do with them all.
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