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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:33 pm

Condunum wrote:...What the fuck?

Regime change Venezuela ?
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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:33 pm

At least Chile is doing well... :s

Seriously, though, poor Venezuela. The sooner this idiot is removed from office the sooner that country can recover from years of the failed policies of the Chavistas.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:33 pm

Condunum wrote:
Liriena wrote:Have you met my neighbours, sweetie? :p

Something tells me your government has a secret lover.

Not even an open secret, my darling.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:35 pm

Liriena wrote:
Condunum wrote:Something tells me your government has a secret lover.

Not even an open secret, my darling.

You need to get out of there, dear.
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Postby Aeken » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:35 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
greed and death wrote:5 bucks says someone claims Maduro's gibberish about economic war, is true first.


A journalist from Venezuela already leaked out documents proving the destabilisation plot. She is Eva Golinger.

You should perhaps look into what she has revealed. To me its unequivocal that Venezuela is facing economic war.

She's biased as hell, from what I've read.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:36 pm

Gaveo wrote:At least Chile is doing well... :s

Seriously, though, poor Venezuela. The sooner this idiot is removed from office the sooner that country can recover from years of the failed policies of the Chavistas.

Meh, Chavez was crazy but cunning. He got some good shit done.

Maduro, however, is a crazy simpleton with lots of power and resources, but none of Chavez's cunning. :?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:36 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
greed and death wrote:5 bucks says someone claims Maduro's gibberish about economic war, is true first.


A journalist from Venezuela already leaked out documents proving the destabilisation plot. She is Eva Golinger.

You should perhaps look into what she has revealed. To me its unequivocal that Venezuela is facing economic war.

Source, please. Some of us can read Spanish.
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Postby Blasveck » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:36 pm

New Octopucta wrote:I wonder how long it will take before we get our first posts about how this obviously demonstrates why socialism is evil.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:37 pm

Condunum wrote:
Liriena wrote:Not even an open secret, my darling.

You need to get out of there, dear.

Is there space in your bed for an Argie refugee? :blush:
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:37 pm

Blasveck wrote:
New Octopucta wrote:I wonder how long it will take before we get our first posts about how this obviously demonstrates why socialism is evil.

5 bucks says Hippo.

Yep, definitely gonna be Hippo.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:38 pm

Aeken wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
A journalist from Venezuela already leaked out documents proving the destabilisation plot. She is Eva Golinger.

You should perhaps look into what she has revealed. To me its unequivocal that Venezuela is facing economic war.

She's biased as hell, from what I've read.


There is no such thing as an unbiased human being unless you are a robot.

However even a "biased" person, if they stumble upon a unequivocal truth, can bring it out for all to behold.

As for the claims she is "biased", I have heard it mostly from the same usual sabre rattling pro-"interventionist" persons (whom are over the top, asininely biased themselves) that want to invade Syria as they have had for over fifty countries over the decades now.

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Postby Gaveo » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:38 pm

Liriena wrote:
Gaveo wrote:At least Chile is doing well... :s

Seriously, though, poor Venezuela. The sooner this idiot is removed from office the sooner that country can recover from years of the failed policies of the Chavistas.

Meh, Chavez was crazy but cunning. He got some good shit done.

Maduro, however, is a crazy simpleton with lots of power and resources, but none of Chavez's cunning. :?

Good shit done?

Eh, either way, Venezuela needs help, badly.
Bruh.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:39 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Meh, Chavez was crazy but cunning. He got some good shit done.

Maduro, however, is a crazy simpleton with lots of power and resources, but none of Chavez's cunning. :?

Good shit done?

Eh, either way, Venezuela needs help, badly.

Poverty did decrease.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:39 pm

Pandeeria wrote:Agreed. Venezuela seems to just be a right-wing parody of Socalism. Shame on them! >:(

This^. It's a combination of socialism, authoritarianism, and right-wing politics.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
A journalist from Venezuela already leaked out documents proving the destabilisation plot. She is Eva Golinger.

You should perhaps look into what she has revealed. To me its unequivocal that Venezuela is facing economic war.

Source, please. Some of us can read Spanish.


http://rt.com/news/golinger-documents-v ... ation-299/
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10148

Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
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NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Postby Geilinor » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Good shit done?

Eh, either way, Venezuela needs help, badly.

Poverty did decrease.

A conventional social democratic party could do the same.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:41 pm

Capitalist lies!

He's a dedicated socialist to the worker's cause!

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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Good shit done?

Eh, either way, Venezuela needs help, badly.

Poverty did decrease.

And the crime rate shot way up.
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Postby Aeken » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:42 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Aeken wrote:She's biased as hell, from what I've read.


There is no such thing as an unbiased human being unless you are a robot.

However even a "biased" person, if they stumble upon a unequivocal truth, can bring it out for all to behold.

As for the claims she is "biased", I have heard it mostly from the same usual sabre rattling pro-"interventionist" persons (whom are over the top, asininely biased themselves) that want to invade Syria as they have had for over fifty countries over the decades now.

Obviously everyone is. But being funded and backed by Venezuela's government isn't something to completely trust.

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:42 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Meh, Chavez was crazy but cunning. He got some good shit done.

Maduro, however, is a crazy simpleton with lots of power and resources, but none of Chavez's cunning. :?

Good shit done?

Eh, either way, Venezuela needs help, badly.



Well, if I do rise to power over a Sixth Republic, once I am inside the Champs D'Élysée I shalt write off a €200 billion economic aid package to invest into Venezuela's socio-economic programmes.

If I can do that between 2014-2016, Venezuela is saved. The economic war against them fails.

Aeken wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
There is no such thing as an unbiased human being unless you are a robot.

However even a "biased" person, if they stumble upon a unequivocal truth, can bring it out for all to behold.

As for the claims she is "biased", I have heard it mostly from the same usual sabre rattling pro-"interventionist" persons (whom are over the top, asininely biased themselves) that want to invade Syria as they have had for over fifty countries over the decades now.

Obviously everyone is. But being funded and backed by Venezuela's government isn't something to completely trust.


Nor is being funded by defence corporations, private military corporations, petrol conglomerates, banks, groups such as AIPAC, or any other of these elite organisations pushing for war, trustworthy, I am sorry to say.
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:43 pm

Economic war?

If mismanagement to hell counts.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:43 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Liriena wrote:Source, please. Some of us can read Spanish.


http://rt.com/news/golinger-documents-v ... ation-299/
http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10148

Ok... what sort of conspirators print the names of their organizations on the plans?

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While we are at it, I see no endorsement of actual criminal activities in that paper.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:44 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Liriena wrote:Poverty did decrease.

A conventional social democratic party could do the same.

Indeed.
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I am:
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Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92
For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A conventional social democratic party could do the same.

Indeed.


Not really, otherwise I would not be here venting out. The soft left has never achieved something substantial for any of us in the lower classes, especially not lately. For my case, my family has never succeeded in rising out of the poverty we are in, no matter how hard they have tried.

Liriena wrote:

Ok... what sort of conspirators print the names of their organizations on the plans?

Image

While we are at it, I see no endorsement of actual criminal activities in that paper.


It suggests flagrant "regime change" in that paper, which, as we have seen time then again, resulted in the plundering of countless countries, the establishment of vile right-wing noodles, as well as foreign corporations swooping in to finalise the destruction of these nations.
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Human Beings are humans, not property.Corporations, (Corporate Property), is property; it is not a human being.Once we understand these two simple concepts, we can move on as a society. - Shofercia | What I believe besides agreeing with the above: Corporations/Conglomerates are vile scum that need to be nationalised, centralised, collectivised as well as redistributed directly back to the masses themselves to control via popular committees. Vive le Communisme! Vive l'idéologie Mathaba!
Imperialism makes monsters out of Man. - Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara.
Allah, Souriya, Bashar w bas! - EPIC
Basically, this. Our form of gov..
NS wars: 1/1/1/1.
USSR/Yugo HDIs 1992 - Haters are going to hate
EPIC 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Hezbollah Compass TRUTH

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Postby New Octopucta » Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:46 pm

[quote="greed and death";p="17344412
5 bucks says someone claims Maduro's gibberish about economic war, is true first.[/quote]
That's a sucker's bet. He posted right after I did.
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