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Postby Kronstad » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:07 am

Baltic Fennia wrote:No. There are too much people who would claim that as science bullshit, heresy and whatnot and keep attached to their fantasy world of Jesus and crosses.

Then they don't get evacuated, which means there are more places for others: win-win.

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Postby Magzarousedme » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:09 am

I say we should throw rocks at it until it implodes.

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Postby Oneracon » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:09 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Oneracon wrote:Short answer: No
Long answer: Nooooooooooooo

It would basically be the major spacefaring nations/groups (US, Russia, EU, China) evacuating their own people and leaving everyone else behind.

And then what?
People can't stay in space indefinitely.

A very good question, who knows what might be developed in the desperation to leave. We've been studying the theory behind terraforming for a while now.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:14 am

Oneracon wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:And then what?
People can't stay in space indefinitely.

A very good question, who knows what might be developed in the desperation to leave. We've been studying the theory behind terraforming for a while now.

Terraformation mars would take at lest 50 years.

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:21 am

Oneracon wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:And then what?
People can't stay in space indefinitely.

A very good question, who knows what might be developed in the desperation to leave. We've been studying the theory behind terraforming for a while now.

Terraforming in 15 years? No. I think the best think to do would be to send a large ship to Mars. Construct it in pieces in space, and put lots of plants in there. Get a lot of water. I read something about some scientists who lived in a greenhouse. I think they lasted several months before the environment became too dangerous. I think it was too high in oxygen.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:29 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Oneracon wrote:A very good question, who knows what might be developed in the desperation to leave. We've been studying the theory behind terraforming for a while now.

Terraforming in 15 years? No. I think the best think to do would be to send a large ship to Mars. Construct it in pieces in space, and put lots of plants in there. Get a lot of water. I read something about some scientists who lived in a greenhouse. I think they lasted several months before the environment became too dangerous. I think it was too high in oxygen.

Not handy , since most of the at least 10000 poeple( all unrelated heterosexual 18-25 year old men and women) that will come along wont know how to use the stuff

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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:49 am

Avenio wrote:Not in the slightest. Expect to see, at the absolute most, a couple of million of the most 'valuable' (ie rich, white Westerners) get onto the evacuation ships, but everyone else gets to burn with the Earth.

I agree but would add.....
Before the wealthy (And not just white westerners, many of the world's wealthy are not white, just many of the wealthy in the Western world are white, there would still be genetic diversity, just the wealthy, world leaders and very skilled would be on the ships- The wealthy and world leaders will want workers, they will not do all the work themselves- they want a worker or servant class.
Now, the PR will be that everyone needs to leave Earth, and the message will be to prepare and register for a spot on the ship with your local government, which the registration will involve working, possibly for little to no pay for a spot on a ship. Once the ships leave, however.....

People will be led to the star port, and find there is no ship to board. The wealthy, world leaders, and highly skilled are gone to the great beyond. And laughing all the way, some maybe installing cameras to see the looks of shock, rage and despair on the faces of those left behind. Some will even justify it as saying this is the rapture, and the "Chosen" ascended to the heavens in their star-ships.

So, 99% of humanity will burn on the Earth, with no hope or chance of survival. Actually, riots and mayhem will probably kill 60-89% before the Earth is destroyed. It's not that I think they want the rest of humanity to die (they love a large servant class, after all) just that logically, there is not enough materials (fuel and minerals) for the ships and not enough space at any potential destination to feasibly save our entire population. Not to mention not enough time to build the required number of ships. But the entire population would have to struggle to save 1% of the population. That is the hard facts in this hypothetical.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:57 am

Benuty wrote:Give us two centuries and something might come out of it.

Give us two centuries and we will wait until it is 15-20 years before the disaster to do something about it....
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Postby The Tundra » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:00 pm

nope, people in developed countries and their allies would be evacuated, and nearly the half of Africa and middle East would be fucked.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:14 pm

definitely no. First, nobody would agree on how to do it. Second, nobody would agree to work together. Third, the task is impossible anyway.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:25 pm

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Chinese Regions wrote:If we put our ass into it.

I don't think that would do much.

Our collective ass would be too heavy to pick up off the Earth and lift into space.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:16 pm

Blasted Craigs wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I don't think that would do much.

Our collective ass would be too heavy to pick up off the Earth and lift into space.
I can hear the engineers now, "I'm giving her all she's got, Captain!""All she's got isn't good enough!"
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:30 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Aside from not going to happen, I seem to recall that it's still safe to live in Europe.

Not really , a single dirty bomb , or nuke hits zwitserland and the EU is done for, Thanks to the large number of rivers that start in the swiss alps .

Seriously not.

A dirty bomb won't be able to carry material beyond a few hundred metres, especially in an urban environment.
A single nuclear device will generate highly localised fallout of pretty limited consequence.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:51 pm

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The yoshin empire wrote:Not really , a single dirty bomb , or nuke hits zwitserland and the EU is done for, Thanks to the large number of rivers that start in the swiss alps .

Seriously not.

A dirty bomb won't be able to carry material beyond a few hundred metres, especially in an urban environment.
A single nuclear device will generate highly localised fallout of pretty limited consequence.

Ok ,a nuke like the tsar bomba dropped in zwitserland would end the eu

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:54 pm

The yoshin empire wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Seriously not.

A dirty bomb won't be able to carry material beyond a few hundred metres, especially in an urban environment.
A single nuclear device will generate highly localised fallout of pretty limited consequence.

Ok ,a nuke like the tsar bomba dropped in zwitserland would end the eu

Not at all. It's one bomb, and Tsar Bomba generated about 97% fusion energy.
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Postby Curiosityness » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:59 pm

more than likely not, for instance, being an atheist my parents asked me where i get my answers from. i replied with science, and now they've been calling me a scientologist ever since. in other words a lot of people are completely ignorant of science or find it completely irrelevant. its very sad...
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:01 pm

Plus, people have no idea what scientology is either.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:03 pm

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The yoshin empire wrote:Ok ,a nuke like the tsar bomba dropped in zwitserland would end the eu

Not at all. It's one bomb, and Tsar Bomba generated about 97% fusion energy.

Ok then what would cripple the EU?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:05 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Not at all. It's one bomb, and Tsar Bomba generated about 97% fusion energy.

Ok then what would cripple the EU?

The Cold War going hot.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:09 pm

Imperializt Russia"p="17355978 wrote:
The yoshin empire wrote:Ok ,a nuke like the tsar bomba dropped in zwitserland would end the eu

Not at all. It's one bomb, and Tsar Bomba generated about 97% fusion energy.

NO WAIT , I SAID NUKE , A NUKE WITH THE MAGNETUDE OF THE TSAR BOMBA BUT WITH URANIUM FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD STAGE INSTEAD OF A LEAD TAMPER, DROPPED ON ZWITSERLAND COULD HAVE IRRADIATED THE EU !!

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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:14 pm

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The yoshin empire wrote:Ok then what would cripple the EU?

The Cold War going hot.

50s yes , 60s maybe , 70s no , by that time the US had a better stronger military then the soviet union and based on most models the dropping of a sing bomb on soviet terretory that wasnt russian , would have caused the nation within the soviet union to rebel and thus ended the cold war quite early on in the game.

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Postby The Goddess Ishtar » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:16 pm

I believe that the only way it would be possible to evacuate the Earth would be if Mother Ishtar provided some kind of miraculous technology that allows humanity to escape whatever catastrophe that occurs. This is, of course, assuming that it is in the near future.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:16 pm

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Imperializt Russia"p="17355978 wrote:Not at all. It's one bomb, and Tsar Bomba generated about 97% fusion energy.

NO WAIT , I SAID NUKE , A NUKE WITH THE MAGNETUDE OF THE TSAR BOMBA BUT WITH URANIUM FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD STAGE INSTEAD OF A LEAD TAMPER, DROPPED ON ZWITSERLAND COULD HAVE IRRADIATED THE EU !!

Not really.

Some fallout would have spread across central Europe, but not much.
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Postby The yoshin empire » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:18 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The yoshin empire wrote:NO WAIT , I SAID NUKE , A NUKE WITH THE MAGNETUDE OF THE TSAR BOMBA BUT WITH URANIUM FOR THE SECOND AND THIRD STAGE INSTEAD OF A LEAD TAMPER, DROPPED ON ZWITSERLAND COULD HAVE IRRADIATED THE EU !!

Not really.

Some fallout would have spread across central Europe, but not much.

Hmmm , what about the pollution to the water supply and wind carrying fallout?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Nov 11, 2013 4:20 pm

The yoshin empire wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not really.

Some fallout would have spread across central Europe, but not much.

Hmmm , what about the pollution to the water supply and wind carrying fallout?

Minimal.
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