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Postby Tel » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Ranmat wrote:For one IT'S WAR l, so why should he grant mercy to an enemy that is just going to try and kill him as soon as he can, there is no benefit, and like I said it is war.


Following that logic, there's no such thing as surrender.

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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:41 pm

Ranmat wrote:For one IT'S WAR l, so why should he grant mercy to an enemy that is just going to try and kill him as soon as he can, there is no benefit, and like I said it is war.

Is it war? *smirk*
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Postby Kouralia » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:03 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Ranmat wrote:For one IT'S WAR l, so why should he grant mercy to an enemy that is just going to try and kill him as soon as he can, there is no benefit, and like I said it is war.

Is it war? *smirk*

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:44 pm

Seggagasia wrote:Damn faithless liberals.......

The damn faithless liberals...that were part of this court martial?

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Postby New Connorstantinople » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:15 pm

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Postby Person012345 » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:30 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Seggagasia wrote:Damn faithless liberals.......

The damn faithless liberals...that were part of this court martial?

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:20 pm

I hope the jihadist was first thoroughly pumped for intel.

Murdering an inmate is wrong of course.

I get so angry when I think of the harm those jihadists have done, including to their coreligionists.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:44 am

Pope Joan wrote:I hope the jihadist was first thoroughly pumped for intel.

Murdering an inmate is wrong of course.

I get so angry when I think of the harm those jihadists have done, including to their coreligionists.

Yes, of course they pumped him for intel.

What did you think? The Sergeant would just shoot him in a field? What kind of...

Oh.

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:01 am

The latest issue with this is, now he has been found guilty, should Soldier A's name be released. Normally in the UK it would unless there are serious reasons not to. I am of the opinion in this case that his family should be protected from reprisals, so his name should not be released to the press as it normally would.
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Postby Bobanopula » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:49 am

In a war like Afghanistan where the enemy has no uniform and a "friendly" civilian is the next suicide bomber this soldier did the right thing. They need to let these guys win the war and stop injecting all this PC crap into a situation that is hardly PC.

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:52 am

Bobanopula wrote: They need to let these guys win the war and stop injecting all this PC crap into a situation that is hardly PC.


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Postby Hollorous » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:10 am

Bobanopula wrote:In a war like Afghanistan where the enemy has no uniform and a "friendly" civilian is the next suicide bomber this soldier did the right thing. They need to let these guys win the war and stop injecting all this PC crap into a situation that is hardly PC.


I'd like you to name a scenario in the last hundred and fifty years when this method has not only worked, but also avoided massive atrocities against civilians. Armies with the "no rules" mentality in guerrilla warfare tend to jump straight to burning down whole villages and killing everyone in them.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:20 am

Pope Joan wrote:I hope the jihadist was first thoroughly pumped for intel.

He wasn't. In the slightest.


Bobanopula wrote:In a war like Afghanistan where the enemy has no uniform and a "friendly" civilian is the next suicide bomber this soldier did the right thing.

The why was he convicted by a board of serving officers?
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Postby Lydenburg » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:41 am

Hollorous wrote:
Bobanopula wrote:In a war like Afghanistan where the enemy has no uniform and a "friendly" civilian is the next suicide bomber this soldier did the right thing. They need to let these guys win the war and stop injecting all this PC crap into a situation that is hardly PC.


I'd like you to name a scenario in the last hundred and fifty years when this method has not only worked, but also avoided massive atrocities against civilians. Armies with the "no rules" mentality in guerrilla warfare tend to jump straight to burning down whole villages and killing everyone in them.


Guerrillas have done that, too.

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:49 am

Lydenburg wrote:
Hollorous wrote:
I'd like you to name a scenario in the last hundred and fifty years when this method has not only worked, but also avoided massive atrocities against civilians. Armies with the "no rules" mentality in guerrilla warfare tend to jump straight to burning down whole villages and killing everyone in them.


Guerrillas have done that, too.

Shouldn't have taken their bananas then.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:54 am

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Ifreann wrote:If laws didn't apply in the war zone, the Taliban wouldn't be doing anything illegal.


Depends on what consider the warzone. But certainly, car bombs in Kabul stretch the definition.

It's an action of the war in Afghanistan, certainly.
And, without laws of the warzone, would be completely legal.
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Postby Bobanopula » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:02 am

Hollorous wrote:
Bobanopula wrote:In a war like Afghanistan where the enemy has no uniform and a "friendly" civilian is the next suicide bomber this soldier did the right thing. They need to let these guys win the war and stop injecting all this PC crap into a situation that is hardly PC.


I'd like you to name a scenario in the last hundred and fifty years when this method has not only worked, but also avoided massive atrocities against civilians. Armies with the "no rules" mentality in guerrilla warfare tend to jump straight to burning down whole villages and killing everyone in them.


In modern war there are no civilians

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:04 am

Bobanopula wrote:
Hollorous wrote:
I'd like you to name a scenario in the last hundred and fifty years when this method has not only worked, but also avoided massive atrocities against civilians. Armies with the "no rules" mentality in guerrilla warfare tend to jump straight to burning down whole villages and killing everyone in them.


In modern war there are no civilians


no there pretty clearly are civilians actually
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Postby Bobanopula » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:09 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Bobanopula wrote:
In modern war there are no civilians


no there pretty clearly are civilians actually


So says you but in modern war every member of a nation contributes to the war keeping soldiers in the field in some way shape or form. So no the term civilians in the classical sense died in WWI. In this way the British were perfectly justified starving the German civilians with there blockade during WW I.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:09 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Bobanopula wrote:
In modern war there are no civilians


no there pretty clearly are civilians actually

Lots of them. Probably almost everyone in Afghanistan, really.

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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:11 am

Bobanopula wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
no there pretty clearly are civilians actually


So says you but in modern war every member of a nation contributes to the war keeping soldiers in the field in some way shape or form. So no the term civilians in the classical sense died in WWI. In this way the British were perfectly justified starving the German civilians with there blockade during WW I.


this is completely inapplicable to our current war anyway, even if you could successfully argue it
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:13 am

Bobanopula wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
no there pretty clearly are civilians actually


So says you but in modern war every member of a nation contributes to the war keeping soldiers in the field in some way shape or form. So no the term civilians in the classical sense died in WWI. In this way the British were perfectly justified starving the German civilians with there blockade during WW I.


though for the record this logic basically means that 9/11 and every other terrorist attack was ok because, hey, they were contributing to the war!
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Postby Bobanopula » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:18 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Bobanopula wrote:
So says you but in modern war every member of a nation contributes to the war keeping soldiers in the field in some way shape or form. So no the term civilians in the classical sense died in WWI. In this way the British were perfectly justified starving the German civilians with there blockade during WW I.


though for the record this logic basically means that 9/11 and every other terrorist attack was ok because, hey, they were contributing to the war!


No as when 9/11 happened there was no war and though they were trained in Afghanistan the terrorist were not part of the afghan military.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:30 am

Bobanopula wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
though for the record this logic basically means that 9/11 and every other terrorist attack was ok because, hey, they were contributing to the war!


No as when 9/11 happened there was no war and though they were trained in Afghanistan the terrorist were not part of the afghan military.

Might have something to do with the fact that the majority of them were Saudi nationals.
As was bin Laden.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:43 am

Doesn't matter what your point of view is. The guy was not a threat to them, and he killed him. That's murder, whether you like it or not. And what's murder, kids? That right, illegal everywhere.

I've seen a lot of Facebook activists saying the three of them should be given medals for being over there and killing the enemy, which completely negates the point of medals. There are too many people who jump to defend someone just because they wear camouflage, and his name would be revealed otherwise.

Don't go somewhere claiming to make it a better place and then do exactly what the people you are fighting do.
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