Political Pipedreams?

[GrandKirche]

It wouldn't be much of a war. A short invasion followed by a well resourced rebuild & rule. Compare what is now Pakistan under us to Obama's drones.

Pakistan has not gotten better. Sure, bad people were killed. But so were innocents. It wouldn't be such a short invasion. It'd be bloody. A foreign invasion would kill way more civilians and destroy much more infrastructure than not intervening at all.

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

[Hathradic States]

Pakistan has not gotten better. Sure, bad people were killed. But so were innocents. It wouldn't be such a short invasion. It'd be bloody. A foreign invasion would kill way more civilians and destroy much more infrastructure than not intervening at all.

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

Because the British being in charge worked so well in the past?

[Baltic Finland]

Oh, our dear Thatcherite and lunatic Hippo.

That guy's Hippo? Dang, he's one tough nutjob.

[Indira]

Tony Blair and Dubya actually going to jail for their illegal invasion of Iraq. Europe actually deciding to leave the EU together and reform it into a trading block only. The Republican party becoming more liberal. So much to choose from

[Aeken]

Pakistan has not gotten better. Sure, bad people were killed. But so were innocents. It wouldn't be such a short invasion. It'd be bloody. A foreign invasion would kill way more civilians and destroy much more infrastructure than not intervening at all.

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

Yes, I do. Do you actually think Pakistan of all places is happy with the Commonwealth?

Oh really.

[GrandKirche]

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

Because the British being in charge worked so well in the past?

Better than now. You could go shopping in Lahore without having to keep an eye open for bombers.

Equally, A Commonwealth federal government would have legitimacy and resources. The best way to encourage peace is prosperity. Not bombs.

[Old Tyrannia]

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

Because the British being in charge worked so well in the past?

I certainly think so.

[United Dependencies]

Canada and the United States unite and become a commonwealth country.

[Conscentia]

Canada annexing the US.

This.

[Havenburgh]

wow...

[Occupied Deutschland]

Because the British being in charge worked so well in the past?

Better than now. You could go shopping in Lahore without having to keep an eye open for bombers.

Equally, A Commonwealth federal government would have legitimacy and resources. The best way to encourage peace is prosperity. Not bombs.

That didn't really work with India-Pakistan under the British before.

In fact, it kind of worked the opposite and birthed two nuclear states that hate each other's guts.
British rule exacerbated the 'bombs' problem.

[European Socialist Republic]

A united socialist Europe.

[Estado Paulista]

Peru+Bolivia->Peru Bolivian Confederation

Argh, please no.

[GrandKirche]

Better than now. You could go shopping in Lahore without having to keep an eye open for bombers.

Equally, A Commonwealth federal government would have legitimacy and resources. The best way to encourage peace is prosperity. Not bombs.

That didn't really work with India-Pakistan under the British before.

In fact, it kind of worked the opposite and birthed two nuclear states that hate each other's guts.
British rule exacerbated the 'bombs' problem.

No, the End of British rule created the problem. Pre the Great Betrayal India was a pretty reasonable place, with development, much less corruption and war-mongering and minorities weren't treated like pinyatas.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Independent Cascadia.

You mean, pot smoking hippie land?

HEY, there'd be pot-smoking mormons (Idaho) and loggers (West Montana) too!

Which probably explains why it wouldn't work...

[Divair]

You mean, pot smoking hippie land?

HEY, there'd be pot-smoking mormons (Idaho) and loggers (West Montana) too!

Which probably explains why it wouldn't work...

Nah, they're being left out.

[Estado Paulista]

*sighs*

If you won't assume responsibility for your immediate descendants, we have to jump off the boat too.

Well, at least Rio de Janeiro if independent today would have the 23rd HDI of the whole world. -_-

I don't think you understand. We want to be independent because we don't want to sustain other regions with our wealth. It doesn't matter if they are culturally close to us or not.

[Chinese Regions]

- Abolition of the Russian space program

- Closure of all nuclear power plants and a full ban on uranium mining

Also ban fire and wheels.
Mandatorise making everything with stone, wood and bone.

[Occupied Deutschland]

HEY, there'd be pot-smoking mormons (Idaho) and loggers (West Montana) too!

Which probably explains why it wouldn't work...

Nah, they're being left out.

Oh.
Well in that case, I guess pot-smoking hippie land is appropriate. Carry on.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I believe the Chinese sphere on influence must be annihilated in the whole of Southeast Asia. The last remnants of the Chinese must be removed.

Aeken, your comments could have been taken a whole world of wrong. Smileys aren't always enough to compensate or make clear your sarcasm - just for future reference.

As for Asigna, calls for genocide are not appropriate on these forums. Given your previously clean record, consider a *** Warning for Trolling *** as a heads up that you need to watch your method of debate. If you have questions as to limitations and rules, please see the One Stop Rule Shop in Moderation. Thanks.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Oh, our dear Thatcherite and lunatic Hippo.

Oh, I almost forgot about that lol.

[Aeken]

I believe the Chinese sphere on influence must be annihilated in the whole of Southeast Asia. The last remnants of the Chinese must be removed.

Aeken, your comments could have been taken a whole world of wrong. Smileys aren't always enough to compensate or make clear your sarcasm - just for future reference.

Noted. I do apologize for my behavior.

[Imperializt Russia]

No, but why does that matter?

that opinion is cray

China is not the China we loved anymore...it is an aggressive corrupt nation run by certain corrupt oligarchs. It does not deserve a sphere of influence.

I feel the same of much of the West.
I'm not inciting nuclear war or genocide.

Often.

[Imperializt Russia]

Greater Finland with borders that would look like this plus Meänmaa. Cleared of most Russians (at Russia's expense of course) who had illegitimately settled in these traditional Finnic lands and based on 20s and 30s conservative right-wing values with communism and socialism banned and White Guards enforcing public order.

It would be so beautiful to fill the dreams of the old Fennomans and finally reunify the kindred peoples oppressed by Russians with Finland.

Another pipe dream I have is that Russia would finally be held responsible for the crimes that they have commited. Here would be my demands to Russia:

- Returning areas stolen by the Soviet Union to their rightful owners:

From Russia:
- TO FINLAND: Karelia, Salla, Petsamo and Gulf of Finland islands
- TO ESTONIA: Petseri County and Jaanilinn
- TO LATVIA: Abrene District
- TO JAPAN: Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin
- TO GERMANY: Kaliningrad

The following areas would be cleared of all Russians at Russia's expense, and proper compensation would be paid to all these countries. In case of Ukraine and Belarus, Ukrainians and Belarussians in lost areas would be
moved to eastern parts of these nations that are inhabited by a Russian majority. Russians in these eastern areas would then be moved to Russia at Russia's expense.

From Ukraine:
- TO SLOVAKIA: Carpathian Ruthenia
- To ROMANIA: Chernivtsi Oblast and southern Odessa Oblast including cities of Izmail and Bilhorod-Dnistrovskyi
- TO POLAND: Parts of former pre-war Poland, including the city of Lvov

From Belarus:
- TO POLAND: Parts of former pre-war Poland, including cities of Brest and Hrodna

From Moldova:
- TO ROMANIA: Entire country, including Transnistria

- Granting independence to oppressed nations of Russia. All these nations would be given enough land to sustain themselves by Russia, and would be cleared of all Russians that didn't live
in the area before 1939 at Russia's expense. Russia would also be obligied to supply these new nations with necessary supplies such as oil as a compensation for centuries of oppression. The following
nations would be freed:

- REPUBLICS: Alania (to consist of Southern Kabardino-Balkaria and Southern Karachay-Cherkessia), Circassia (to consist of Adygea and Northern Kabardino-Balkaria and Northern Karachay-Cherkessia), Altai, Bashkortostan, Chechnya, Chuvashia,
Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kalmykia, Khakassia, Komi, Mari El, Mordovia, North Ossetia-Alania, Sakha, Tatarstan, Tuva, Udmurtia
- In addition, Republic of Karelia would be divided between Finland and Russia

- AUTONOMOUS OKRUGS: Chukotka, Khanty-Mansi, Nenetsia (to consist of Nenets AO and Yamalo-Nenets AO), Evenkia-Taymyria (to consist of Evenk AO and Taymyr AO)
- In addition, former Komi-Permyak AO would be merged with Komi, Koryak Okrug with Chukotka, and Ust-Orda Buryat AO & Agin-Buryat AO with Buryatia

- Apologizing to Georgia for violating its territorial sovereignty in 2008; providing assistance to the Georgian Armed Forces so they can restore
order in South Ossetia and Abkhazia

- Apologizing for suppressing freedom and democracy by abusing its UN security council seat; immidiate resignation from the UN security council

- Apologizing for unforgivable crimes committed by Russians, including massacre of Katyn, occupation of Baltic States and Winter War.

- Outlawing all political activity of former members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and former members of any Soviet intelligence agencies

- Outlawing United Russia, Communist Party, LDPP and A Just Russia and any parties and organizations affiliated with them. Property of these parties would be confiscated by the state.

- Outlawing display of all Soviet symbols, including the hammer and sickle, red star and portrayals of any Soviet leaders

- Outlawing promotion of communism and denial of any Soviet crimes.

- Strict limits on the size of the Russian Armed Forces: No conscription and no more than 400.000 active troops

- Closure of all bases in Transnistria, Belarus and Abkhazia

- Immidiate deactivation of Russian nuclear arsenal.

- Confiscation and destruction/sale of all ballistic missiles, long-range bombers, aircraft carriers, cruisers, destroyers and submarines. Russian Navy should not have any ship larger than a frigate.

- Abolition of the Russian space program

- Closure of all nuclear power plants and a full ban on uranium mining

- Trade treaty with EU and US guaranteeing affordable Russian oil and natural gas

- Legalization of gay marriage and adoption, repeal of any anti-gay "propaganda" laws

- Banning glorification of the occupation of Eastern Europe, including outlawing celebration of so-called "Victory" Day. The term "Great Patriotic War" would be replaced with "World War II"

- Russian anthem would be changed to Patrioticheskaya Pesnya

Seriously, the fuck is it with you and Russia?

Remember the last time people tried to do what you suggested to a Great Power? I believe the result was WWII.

The majority of your points, I just wish to address with "why". You're also somewhat ignorant. Great Patriotic War is, functionally, what the Russians term their involvement in the war. You're acting as though they don't recognise the term, "The Second World War", which we know from Shof that they do.

[Tel]

Pakistan has not gotten better. Sure, bad people were killed. But so were innocents. It wouldn't be such a short invasion. It'd be bloody. A foreign invasion would kill way more civilians and destroy much more infrastructure than not intervening at all.

You're assuming the Commonwealth (which includes Pakistan btw) would face serious opposition in building up infrastructure and improving security.

Like most of the world's problem spots, America being kept out and the British being left in charge would resolve about 85% of the problems immediately and allow work on the rest.

Britain doesn't do 'in charge'. As shown with Uganda's war and Israel's current predicament, it runs away from what it's been tasked with and refuses to look at the problems it causes when it does so.