Political Pipedreams?

[Blasveck]

The Illuminati are real too bro. We totes need order and shit, dog.

I don't know about the Illuminati, but American foreign policy (particularly with Carter) was dictated by the Trilateral Commission and the whims of David Rockefeller. It was as corrupt as the rest.

Democracy is corruption and the protection of special interests.

Democracy is bad?
Sure, yeah, with the freest nations on earth being democracies.

Special interests? More an issue of the state than anything else.

[Yorkopolis]

My pipe dream is Russia annexing the square foot of Finnish land where Hippo is now standing, landing him squarely within Russia.

And that square foot Hippo stands on will always move with him, so he will always be in Russia.

[Edward Richtofen]

My pipe dream is Russia annexing the square foot of Finnish land where Hippo is now standing, landing him squarely within Russia.

FYI i'm from Finland and even though I despise Hippo I will defend a brother with everything, which includes the Department of homeland security of which I am a former employee of, my 12 gauge pump, my colt .45 semiauto, an M-4 carbine and my half-Viking half-Celt wife.
Russia ain't gonna survive

[Urmanian]

- Russian anthem would be changed to Patrioticheskaya Pesnya

I'd tolerate the above list if only for this one point...the Soviet Anthem is absolutely, abjectly awful. The Patriotic Song is so much superior both in musical terms and the terms of cultural baggage (a piece written by one of the greatest Russian composers vs. a propaganda song glorifying one of the bloodiest tyrants of history?) that it's simply from another world compared to it. Add "Russia changes its anthem to the Patriotic Song" to my list of pipedreams, certainly.

[Nevanmaa]

When it's ethnic cleansing of Germans, it's a horrible, god-awful crime. Then, when it's ethnically cleansing Russians, it's suddenly okay to do this.

It's not ethnic cleansing. It's transporting people from place A to place B, and completely justified when those people did not have a right to be in place A in the first place.

Except Karelians don't even want to join Finland and are happy with the status quo?

Mostly because of FSB will imprison you if you even propose such a thing, not to mention that Russia is trying to destroy Finnic languages like Karelian and Veps in order to russify Karelia.

There are definitely crimes committed by the Russian government, but why are we to hold an entire nation ransom for crimes their government committed? That's like nuking all of America with all of its people because its government is so utterly shit. Besides, if we are to hold the entire Russia responsible for the crimes that their government committed, then why aren't we holding entire Finland responsible for war crimes against the Soviets as well? OH, WAIT, FINNISH WAR CRIMES DON'T EXIST!

Because those people through their inaction have allowed their government to commit unspeakable acts of terror and tyranny. Regarding Finnish war crimes, there were none. Transportation camps for Soviet symphatizers don't count as one.

So you're basically advocating to do to Russia what was done to Germany after WWI? Good to know.

No, I'm advocating returning stolen areas to their rightful owners.

Good to know you advocate ethnic cleansing on a mass-scale, almost amounting to genocidal policies.

I'm not advocating "get in that cattle car, you've got 5 minutes to pack your stuff" method. This plan would be implemented on a time scale of 5-10 years.

And where do these Ukrainians go? They'll only have little land left, their state would be entirely ruined.

They go east, to the areas that have been Russified. Russians there will be moved back to Russia.

Any legitimate claim to these lands other then "OMG DEY WERE POLISH". Also gotta love how now, you're defending Poland, when not long ago, you were fucking accusing Poland of having caused WW2. Your logic, as usual, is zero. Nada.

That land has been Polish for centuries. And yes, I defend a country's right to its own ancestral land. Polish land belongs to Poland, German land belongs to Germany.

Can't say I disagree with dismantling Moldova and Transnistria, after all, they're just Romanian.

I'm glad we agree.

Again, it is good to know that you support splitting up Russia in the same way as Germany was split up after WWI. You better not cry when, if this ridiculous idea does happen, Russia becomes ultranationalistic and decides to go full-on insanity.

Then Russia must be crushed so they can learn their place. You can't oppress hundreds of different nationalities for centuries and then expect no repercussions.

Yes, Balkanization works.

Freeing oppressed nations does work, yes.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are separate ethnicities. But hey, you don't care, you're a Finnish ultranationalist with a mildly childish grievance against Russia. Why would you care about separate ethnicities if it can involve Balkanizing Russia?

Indeed they are and they have their own autonomous governments within Georgia. Right now Abkhazia and South Ossetia are nothing but Russian puppet states.

Then the US should apologize for that same thing. You are no man to talk about FREEDOME and DEMOKRUSY when you supported Golden Dawn over SYRIZA and KKE and wanted Hitler to win WW2. Go elsewhere.

United States has nothing to apologize for. And why would I support a tyrannical left-wing party with no respect for property rights, and why shouldn't I support rightful distribution of land for the Finnish people?

The Finnish did some pretty dastardly things, as well. Be happy Finland wasn't annexed like the Baltic states, because if the Soviets had done that, then the consequences would be unforeseen.

Oh gee, evil Soviet imperialists invade Finland to annex it, and it turns out that Finns don't view Russians in a positive light. Oh dear!

Good luck trying!

That's why the name of this topic is political pipedreams.

The fuck is "LDPP"? I know the LDPR, the most bat fuck insane party ever, but still. Oh, oh my god. I should keep this. You, the ultimate fucking defender of PROPHURRTEA^TM, want that same PROPHURRTEA^TM to be confiscated by the state! Oh my god guys! Look! Hippo's a dirty FREEDOME-hating COMMIE!

Everyone make spelling mistakes every now and then. And yes, state should be allowed to confiscate properties of criminal organizations. I don't mind that.

Good luck trying!

That's why the name of this topic is political pipedreams.

Are you still as dumb to think Stalinism is communism?

Stalinism isn't communism, but in Russia it's usually associated with it. Thus, both must be banned. Communism is a tyrannical anti-property ideology anyway.

Sounds like what happened to Germany after, well, you know, Treaty of Versailles.

Except that this time we'd actually enforce it.

Then I must ask 'murica to close down all their military bases in countries that are not the US as well.

No, because United States has not abused its power in order to promote death, destruction and tyranny.

Then I ask 'murica to do the same.

No, because United States has not abused its power in order to promote death, destruction and tyranny.

Then I ask 'murica to do the same.

No, because United States has not abused its power in order to promote death, destruction and tyranny.

You want to ban progress? Go back to your cave.

Russia cannot be trusted with technology that can be used to manufacture long-range tactical weapons. Other nations could inherit Russia's space program.

You want to go back to coal and environmental death, meaning your grandchildren will have to walk around with fucking gasmasks? Good to know you support pollution and a certain death for our planet.

Russia cannot be trusted with technology that can be used to manufacture nuclear weapons. Other nations could sell nuclear energy to Russia so they don't have to rely on some low-quality coal.

See above.

Please do.

Nothing to bring against this.

Good.

Well, if anything, you don't know half how bad the rest of Europe aside of your oh-so-precious Finland had it, do you? Without the Soviets, I'd have been living in a Nazi state and be speaking German, and you, your precious "right-wing democracy" wouldn't have existed either, because Finland would probably have been annexed to Germany at some point in time, knowing Hitler's ambitions.

Your proof? None. We've gone through this before, you have no proof except your "HITLER WAS SO EVIL THAT HE WOULD'VE DONE SO!".

Great Patriotic War, okay, I can agree on that, but banning Victory Day? Then ban it in the US, in the UK, and elsewhere, too.

Victory Day in US and UK is used to celebrate victory over tyranny. As Soviet Union was ten times more tyrannical than Nazi Germany, it doesn't really make sense.

So people, here we have it once more. When we talk about how Germany was dismantled after WWI, we hear Hippo screaming and crying like a little baby, saying Germany got oppressed by Poland and other nations.

Except that Germany was blamed for all kinds of shit it didn't do and it was humiliated for no reason. Russia on the other hand has committed unspeakable acts of tyranny and terror during the past century, clearly displaying that Russia is unable to handling the power that it currently holds

However, it isn't oppression if we start to dismantle Russia like that, if not even a thousand times worse. Of course, we can't account for how the world will look after we have done that, but once again Hippo shows his pure ignorance of what would happen if we did this. In fact, if we did this, the risk of a Third World War would be closer than ever, considering, you know, Russian ultranationalists would go just as bat fuck insane, if not even worse, than Hitler.

What led to WWII was that the allies did not enforce the Versailles Treaty. In this case, these demands would be strictly enforced by an international military coalition. No rise of Russian ultranationalists, no problems and so on.

[Jinos]

I think it would be cool to see the political unions of the following countries, starting loosely from most plausible to least plausible.

Romania+Moldova->Romania

Cyprus+Northern Cyprus->Cyprus

China+Taiwan->China

North Korea+South Korea->Korea

Sweden+Norway+Finland+Denmark+Iceland->Scandinavia

Flanders(part of Belgium)+Netherlands->Netherlands

Austria+Luxembourg+Germany->Germany

Czech Republic+Slovakia->Czechoslovakia

Pakistan+Bangladesh+Sri Lanka+India->India

Portugal+Spain->Iberia

Malta+Italy->Italy

Guatemala+Belize+El Salvador+Nicaragua+Panama+Costa Rica->United States of South America

Peru+Bolivia->Peru Bolivian Confederation

Colombia+Venezuela+Ecuador->Gran Colombia

Poland+Lithuania->Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth

United States of America+Canada->United States of America

Slovenia+Croatia+Bosnia+Montenegro+Serbia+Albania+Kosovo+Greece+Bulgaria->Yugoslavia

Yeah, that's pretty much every political union I could think of with some amount of historical basis. I realize that it is HIGHLY unlikely this would ever happen, but hey, it's political pipe dreams right?

As you can tell, I am a political unionist rather than a separatist.

[Aeken]

I think it would be cool to see the political unions of the following countries, starting loosely from most plausible to least plausible.

Romania+Moldova->Romania

Cyprus+Northern Cyprus->Cyprus

China+Taiwan->China

North Korea+South Korea->Korea

Sweden+Norway+Finland+Denmark+Iceland->Scandinavia

Flanders(part of Belgium)+Netherlands->Netherlands

Austria+Luxembourg+Germany->Germany

Czech Republic+Slovakia->Czechoslovakia

Pakistan+Bangladesh+Sri Lanka+India->India

Portugal+Spain->Iberia

Malta+Italy->Italy

Guatemala+Belize+El Salvador+Nicaragua+Panama+Costa Rica->United States of South America

Peru+Bolivia->Peru Bolivian Confederation

Colombia+Venezuela+Ecuador->Gran Colombia

Poland+Lithuania->Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth

United States of America+Canada->United States of America

Slovenia+Croatia+Bosnia+Montenegro+Serbia+Albania+Kosovo+Greece+Bulgaria->Yugoslavia

Yeah, that's pretty much every political union I could think of with some amount of historical basis. I realize that it is HIGHLY unlikely this would ever happen, but hey, it's political pipe dreams right?

As you can tell, I am a political unionist rather than a separatist.

Yugoslavia would crumble even worse.

[Immoren]

Sweden+Norway+Finland+Denmark+Iceland->Scandinavia

It can't be called "Scandinavia" because neither Finland nor Iceland are in geographic Scandinavia.

[Edward Richtofen]

I think it would be cool to see the political unions of the following countries, starting loosely from most plausible to least plausible.

Yugoslavia would crumble even worse.

so fucking true, almost as badly the ottomans in the long run

[Divair]

Sweden+Norway+Finland+Denmark+Iceland->Scandinavia

It can't be called "Scandinavia" because neither Finland nor Iceland are in geographic Scandinavia.

Kalmar Union

[Kvatchdom]

Russia taking over Finland.

[Edward Richtofen]

Sweden+Norway+Finland+Denmark+Iceland->Scandinavia

It can't be called "Scandinavia" because neither Finland nor Iceland are in geographic Scandinavia.

Because Finland was a territory of Sweden it does count as part of Scandinavia, Iceland and Greenland in Denmark's case

[Soled]

An independent Sami nation, consisting of their Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish and Russian areas.

[Jinos]

Yugoslavia would crumble even worse.

Why do you think I put it at the bottom?

[Immoren]

It can't be called "Scandinavia" because neither Finland nor Iceland are in geographic Scandinavia.

Kalmar Union

Kalmar Union Mk.II rather?
Nordic Union?
UNES?

[Edward Richtofen]

Russia taking over Finland.

*loads weapons and motions to Celtic-Viking wife* ARE YOU SURE?

[Kvatchdom]

Russia taking over Finland.

*loads weapons and motions to Celtic-Viking wife* ARE YOU SURE?

Finns aren't vikings

[Edward Richtofen]

*loads weapons and motions to Celtic-Viking wife* ARE YOU SURE?

Finns aren't vikings

My wife isn't finnish, I AM
she is the result of the breeding of 2 of the greatest warrior races in history.

[The Coptic Empire]

Oh, wait, MY political pipedreams?

Oh, well, in that case... nothing. Yes, that's right, nothing. No borders, no flags, no nations, no governments. Just communities and people.

[Immoren]

It can't be called "Scandinavia" because neither Finland nor Iceland are in geographic Scandinavia.

Because Finland was a territory of Sweden it does count as part of Scandinavia, Iceland and Greenland in Denmark's case

No. By strictest definition "Scandinavia" only includes Denmark, Norway and Sweden. And everyone should use as strict definitions as possible.

[Kvatchdom]

Finns aren't vikings

My wife isn't finnish, I AM
she is the result of the breeding of 2 of the greatest warrior races in history.

Slavs and the Chinese?

[Aeken]

Yugoslavia would crumble even worse.

so fucking true, almost as badly the ottomans in the long run

Even the Ottomans did better for hundreds of years.

[Ainin]

United States of America+Canada->United States of America

United States of America+Canada -> A unitary Commonwealth realm with a bijuridical legal system, universal healthcare, progressive social policies, mixed-market economic policies and no gun rights
Much better.

[Jinos]

so fucking true, almost as badly the ottomans in the long run

Even the Ottomans did better for hundreds of years.

He's got a point there, the Ottomans did last for hundreds of years (and got their minorities to buy into Ottomanism better than Yugoslavia did).

[Jinos]

United States of America+Canada->United States of America

United States of America+Canada -> A unitary Commonwealth realm with a bijuridical legal system, universal healthcare, progressive social policies, mixed-market economic policies and no gun rights
Much better.

I don't think the UN would let you register that as the name of a country.