Political Pipedreams?

[Luveria]

Liters of rum? Slow down. Three liters of rum at once could be lethal for someone of your small Asian stature.

Uhmm....

Uhhhh...

Yeah, I'd say those were severe Western misguidance. I recognize it's the USA's fault for making Iran into what it is, but it's also the USA's fault for not having tried to normalize relations with Iran after they fucked it up. Yes, the US has done things, but it's unfair to say the "West" as a whole does it, as Canada usually has no part in these ridiculous things. Keyword: Usually.

I'm not that short nor am I a li-Oh wait.

:c

Canada spies on Brazil. Meanwhile, anti-Westerners have a field day.

Lololol, you're 'little" 'cuz you're Asian! (although that's kind of hawt.)

Guys, Souriya is right. Clearly the Balkans, known for their passionate hatred of their fellow neighbours for most of their history, were clearly brainwashed/forced into hating each other and thus collapsing Yugoslavia.

This of course means that the various Balkan peoples simply cannot be trusted to take care of themselves, as they continuously allow themselves to be bullied into murdering each other over ethnicity and the like.

Thus I propose handing the entirety of the Balkans to its rightful owner: the Ottomans.

Well, if the revived Ottoman Empire would be secular... it wouldn't be so bad.

That is surprising. I assumed you at least had some Syrian relatives.
I already have two homelands, being a citizen of Canada and Poland, so I cannot identify with your statement. :/

Its just an expression that person said out of love for the Syrians.

I amongst many others worldwide share this love for the Syrian nation.

You do not need Syrian blood to love Syria.

I don't disagree.

[Seitonjin]

I'm not that short nor am I a li-Oh wait.

:c

Canada spies on Brazil. Meanwhile, anti-Westerners have a field day.

Lololol, you're 'little" 'cuz you're Asian! (although that's kind of hawt.)

Fight me.

(thanx <3)

[Souriya Al-Assad]

So what is "Reputable" to you? I am very curious to know.

Something that's not utter crap taken from dumb blogs, preferentially from a prestiged unbiased news source.

There is no such thing as a "unbiased" news source.

What is "prestigious" to you?

An elitist Capitalist "peer reviewed" (by fellow elitists that know nothing of the people's daily struggles) paper?

[Luveria]

Why would you want that?

I believe that Western Norway; it's people, culture and language would be better of without Norway (that being the capital of Norway) being in charge, which drains resources from the west, spends it on themselves, yet proceeds to neglect the needs of the West. The interest of Western Norway would be best be represented by the people of Western Norway themselves, not Oslo.

I do not know enough about Norway to refute that much, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't Norway among the highest-ranked countries to live in? I do not see what good separatism would do.

[Olivaero]

Guys, Souriya is right. Clearly the Balkans, known for their passionate hatred of their fellow neighbours for most of their history, were clearly brainwashed/forced into hating each other and thus collapsing Yugoslavia.

This of course means that the various Balkan peoples simply cannot be trusted to take care of themselves, as they continuously allow themselves to be bullied into murdering each other over ethnicity and the like.

Thus I propose handing the entirety of the Balkans to its rightful owner: the Ottomans.

Still a better idea than Enosis.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

I'm not that short nor am I a li-Oh wait.

:c

Canada spies on Brazil. Meanwhile, anti-Westerners have a field day.

Lololol, you're 'little" 'cuz you're Asian! (although that's kind of hawt.)

Guys, Souriya is right. Clearly the Balkans, known for their passionate hatred of their fellow neighbours for most of their history, were clearly brainwashed/forced into hating each other and thus collapsing Yugoslavia.

This of course means that the various Balkan peoples simply cannot be trusted to take care of themselves, as they continuously allow themselves to be bullied into murdering each other over ethnicity and the like.

Thus I propose handing the entirety of the Balkans to its rightful owner: the Ottomans.

Well, if the revived Ottoman Empire would be secular... it wouldn't be so bad.

Its just an expression that person said out of love for the Syrians.

I amongst many others worldwide share this love for the Syrian nation.

You do not need Syrian blood to love Syria.

I don't disagree.

The Ottomans were quite a genocidal bunch however. I would not agree with resurrecting their dynasty.

[Vicswampia]

There is no such thing as a "unbiased" news source.

What is "prestigious" to you?

An elitist Capitalist "peer reviewed" (by fellow elitists that know nothing of the people's daily struggles) paper?

In other words, I can't give you sources.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Thus I propose handing the entirety of the Balkans to its rightful owner: the Ottomans.

Ironically, the Balkans were considerable more stable in the earlier Ottoman Empire.

Clearly the Ottomans are better at managing those lands than they are.

Speaking of which, I support handing over Syria to the Ottomans as well. And Egypt. And Libya. And the Levant.

Soon enough we'll have this whole problem solved.

[Vicswampia]

Ironically, the Balkans were considerable more stable in the earlier Ottoman Empire.

Clearly the Ottomans are better at managing those lands than they are.

Speaking of which, I support handing over Syria to the Ottomans as well. And Egypt. And Libya. And the Levant.

Soon enough we'll have this whole problem solved.

Let's give the entire planet to the Ottomans to avoid getting misguided by the West.

[The Nuclear Fist]

The Ottomans were quite a genocidal bunch however. I would not agree with resurrecting their dynasty.

Except possibly the Turks, the Ottomans couldn't possibly mismanage those individual nations any worse than their modern leaders are now.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

There is no such thing as a "unbiased" news source.

What is "prestigious" to you?

An elitist Capitalist "peer reviewed" (by fellow elitists that know nothing of the people's daily struggles) paper?

In other words, I can't give you sources.

Nice way of dismissing my point. Nicely done.

[Miyager]

In other words, I can't give you sources.

Nice way of dismissing my point. Nicely done.

I agree. He dismissed your post rather well. It's nice to see you taking the right side in this issue.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

The Ottomans were quite a genocidal bunch however. I would not agree with resurrecting their dynasty.

Except possibly the Turks, the Ottomans couldn't possibly mismanage those individual nations any worse than their modern leaders are now.

Erdogan is an incarnation of the Ottoman epic fail.

Many Turkish are comparing him to Ottoman Sultans.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Clearly the Ottomans are better at managing those lands than they are.

Speaking of which, I support handing over Syria to the Ottomans as well. And Egypt. And Libya. And the Levant.

Soon enough we'll have this whole problem solved.

Let's give the entire planet to the Ottomans to avoid getting misguided by the West.

I have a map in the works you may be interested in. Hold on.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Except possibly the Turks, the Ottomans couldn't possibly mismanage those individual nations any worse than their modern leaders are now.

Erdogan is an incarnation of the Ottoman epic fail.

Many Turkish are comparing him to Ottoman Sultans.

'Many Turks' being 'some people down at the local coffee shop', right?

[Vicswampia]

Nice way of dismissing my point. Nicely done.

What point? Everything legit to you is a western, capitalist attempt to fool the people, but you believe blindly in blogs that consist with your ideology. You can keep believing in your illusions if you want, but pelase don't pretend you have a point.

[Vestr-Norig]

I believe that Western Norway; it's people, culture and language would be better of without Norway (that being the capital of Norway) being in charge, which drains resources from the west, spends it on themselves, yet proceeds to neglect the needs of the West. The interest of Western Norway would be best be represented by the people of Western Norway themselves, not Oslo.

I do not know enough about Norway to refute that much, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't Norway among the highest-ranked countries to live in? I do not see what good separatism would do.

One of the highest ranked indeed. But that help little, when the government continue to cut in founds to the municipalities, forcing the rural areas to close down schools and hospitals, while building expensive opera houses, high teck schools etcetera in Oslo. While Western Norway contribiutes with around 80 percent of the economy, we only get around 20 percent back. And as the so called capital drains the West, they still claims that it is we who should be thankful to get what we get. It is pity, it is.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Erdogan is an incarnation of the Ottoman epic fail.

Many Turkish are comparing him to Ottoman Sultans.

'Many Turks' being 'some people down at the local coffee shop', right?

Turkish media sources, alongside the Gezi movement.

Nice way of dismissing my point. Nicely done.

What point? Everything legit to you is a western, capitalist attempt to fool the people, but you believe blindly in blogs that consist with your ideology. You can keep believing in your illusions if you want, but pelase don't pretend you have a point.

For God's Sake, do please stop pinning me as an "Anti-Western".

Since I am as Western as you are, this argument against me is petty.

Now, a tonne of the sources I have provided provide a solid explanation into my points. There is also, a documentary about Operation Gladio I linked you to. (No, two actually) Which, apparently, you refused to even open since they do not agree with your elitist view of the world.

I am also sick with this "You are all Anti-Western until proven otherwise" bloody attitude.

[Axonic]

A Mass Arab Uprising leading to a Centrist Governments in the Middle east with Democracy. Eventually leads to the Establishment of a Super-Country, that joins the EU. Also, The EU Changes it's name to the World Union, and allows non-European Countries to Join.

[Luveria]

I do not know enough about Norway to refute that much, but if I'm not mistaken, isn't Norway among the highest-ranked countries to live in? I do not see what good separatism would do.

One of the highest ranked indeed. But that help little, when the government continue to cut in founds to the municipalities, forcing the rural areas to close down schools and hospitals, while building expensive opera houses, high teck schools etcetera in Oslo. While Western Norway contribiutes with around 80 percent of the economy, we only get around 20 percent back. And as the so called capital drains the West, they still claims that it is we who should be thankful to get what we get. It is pitfull, it is.

It makes sense from that view, but as a whole, I would say judging by international rankings, Norway continues to do quite well for itself. All Western Norway could really do is get a secessionist party in power and have provincial referendums. Canada has a similar situation with Quebec always being close to legally separating by referendum.

[Vicswampia]

Since I am as Western as you are, this argument against me is petty.

It is not. Western people can be anti-Western.

Now, a tonne of the sources I have provided provide a solid explanation into my points. There is also, a documentary about Operation Gladio I linked you to. (No, two actually) Which, apparently, you refused to even open since they do not agree with your elitist view of the world.

Let's recapitulate what happened on this thread. You said the dissolution of Yugoslavia was caused by Western sabotage. The sources you provided didn't prove that.

[Vicswampia]

One of the highest ranked indeed. But that help little, when the government continue to cut in founds to the municipalities, forcing the rural areas to close down schools and hospitals, while building expensive opera houses, high teck schools etcetera in Oslo. While Western Norway contribiutes with around 80 percent of the economy, we only get around 20 percent back. And as the so called capital drains the West, they still claims that it is we who should be thankful to get what we get. It is pitfull, it is.

It makes sense from that view, but as a whole, I would say judging by international rankings, Norway continues to do quite well for itself. All Western Norway could really do is get a secessionist party in power and have provincial referendums. Canada has a similar situation with Quebec always being close to legally separating by referendum.

Wasn't the concept of an independent Western Canada quite strong untill the 70's?

[Luveria]

It makes sense from that view, but as a whole, I would say judging by international rankings, Norway continues to do quite well for itself. All Western Norway could really do is get a secessionist party in power and have provincial referendums. Canada has a similar situation with Quebec always being close to legally separating by referendum.

Wasn't the concept of an independent Western Canada quite strong untill the 70's?

Yes, and the FLQ started a terrorist uprising which resulted in the federal government declaring martial law to stop the Québécois ultra-nationalists.

Nowadays, people don't care so much, but it's always a possibility Quebec may vote to secede, which would be legal if they did it through the proper channels.

[Vestr-Norig]

One of the highest ranked indeed. But that help little, when the government continue to cut in founds to the municipalities, forcing the rural areas to close down schools and hospitals, while building expensive opera houses, high teck schools etcetera in Oslo. While Western Norway contribiutes with around 80 percent of the economy, we only get around 20 percent back. And as the so called capital drains the West, they still claims that it is we who should be thankful to get what we get. It is pitfull, it is.

It makes sense from that view, but as a whole, I would say judging by international rankings, Norway continues to do quite well for itself. All Western Norway could really do is get a secessionist party in power and have provincial referendums. Canada has a similar situation with Quebec always being close to legally separating by referendum.

It is what I hope I will one day witness. But my faith is not too strong, Im afraid. It would be a long time for something like that to happen. One day, maybe, but not in the near future.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Since I am as Western as you are, this argument against me is petty.

It is not. Western people can be anti-Western.

Now, a tonne of the sources I have provided provide a solid explanation into my points. There is also, a documentary about Operation Gladio I linked you to. (No, two actually) Which, apparently, you refused to even open since they do not agree with your elitist view of the world.

Let's recapitulate what happened on this thread. You said the dissolution of Yugoslavia was caused by Western sabotage. The sources you provided didn't prove that.

They did. I believe at least four of them mentioned Yugoslavia being amongst the Eastern Europe nations sabotaged by our governments' "stay-behind" Operation Gladio.

No. You are basically claiming I am a "traitor" or want any of our people to die in genocide. Am I advocating genocide of our countries? Claiming me to be anti-Western, is just plain bloody bull hogwash.