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Stephen Harper: Tory Convention in Calgary

Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:52 pm

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/po ... 11618.html

Prime Minister Stephen Harper delivered his highly anticipated speech at the Conservative Party convention in Calgary in front of a crowd of 3,000 Canadians, most of them Conservative delegates. As expected it was very partisan in nature and was intended to excite his party's supporters who reacted with much joy in seeing their leader address them. Most of the speech was about the many success stories of the Tory government including a strong economy, safe streets, scrapping the Wheat Board, the Long Gun registry, lowering the GST and most recently the EU trade deal. He also berated both opposition parties, the Liberals and NDP both long noted for dangerous fiscal policies and a long history of corruption both at a federal and provincial level.

Another hot topic for the Prime Minister was the Senate Scandal involving several Tory and Liberal senators. This has been a controversial issue in Canada for a while now because many believe the Senate to be a wasteful and generally useless government body. Stephen Harper advocated for the senators to be punished and assured his fellow Canadians that his office had nothing to do with the scandal and vowed to stop the Liberal senators blocking his attempts to end corruption in the Senate.

My opinion of his speech was that he did a very good job addressing his parties many success and also more important in reaching out to his base. As a Conservative supporter and Alberta resident I was overjoyed to watch the PM speak as Stephen Harper has done many and I mean many good things to Canada making us stronger and more independent. I think this will greatly increase his chances for a victory in the next election because most hard working Canadians who work for a living and support their families will want Stephen Harper as their leader. So NSG and more specifically my fellow Canucks, did Stephen Harper address his party well? Will the Conservatives win another majority in the next election? Discuss.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:54 pm

I hope not, for the sake of Canada and my Canadian friends. Stephen Harper's done a good job fucking the place up, and making it almost as reactionary as the United States.

Why do Stephen Harper and his supporters hate Canada so much?
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:57 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:I hope not, for the sake of Canada and my Canadian friends. Stephen Harper's done a good job fucking the place up, and making it almost as reactionary as the United States.

Why do Stephen Harper and his supporters hate Canada so much?


Please explain further, because Stephen Harper is very moderate and is nothing like the Republicans down south. Stephen Harper also does not hate Canada and I again ask you to explain further on why you say such things.
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:04 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:Stephen Harper is very moderate

Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:06 pm

Ainin wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:Stephen Harper is very moderate

Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.


Not even close.
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Postby Heltonia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:07 pm

Conservatives are going to win.
Purely because most people who vote are conservative.

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Postby Heltonia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:07 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Ainin wrote:Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.


Not even close.

He kicked out and shamed a reporter for asking him a question.

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Postby Marcurix » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:09 pm

Heltonia wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not even close.

He kicked out and shamed a reporter for asking him a question.


Firstly, that would require a source. Secondly, should that prove to be true, that doesn't even remotely prove he's reactionary
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:09 pm

Ainin wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:Stephen Harper is very moderate

Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.


No, I strongly disagree with you. Jack Layton was reactionary Stephen Harper is the complete opposite he is the very text book definition of a moderate tory. He refuses to open debate on certain social issues despite some social conservative MPs wanting to debate about it. He knows most Canadians are socially liberal so he knows its pointless to reopen the debate. He is a fiscal conservative and that is what his party stands for. Please elaborate on why Mr. Harper is so extreme in your own view.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:12 pm

For the sake of my homeland, I do hope Mister Harper is elected back in.
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:12 pm

Heltonia wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
Not even close.

He kicked out and shamed a reporter for asking him a question.


Source please
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Postby Ainin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:13 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
Ainin wrote:Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.


No, I strongly disagree with you. Jack Layton was reactionary Stephen Harper is the complete opposite he is the very text book definition of a moderate tory. He refuses to open debate on certain social issues despite some social conservative MPs wanting to debate about it. He knows most Canadians are socially liberal so he knows its pointless to reopen the debate. He is a fiscal conservative and that is what his party stands for. Please elaborate on why Mr. Harper is so extreme in your own view.

You have no idea what "reactionary" means, do you?
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:13 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Heltonia wrote:He kicked out and shamed a reporter for asking him a question.


Firstly, that would require a source. Secondly, should that prove to be true, that doesn't even remotely prove he's reactionary

In fact, if a Liberal or NDP did that to a reporter, they'd most likely be applauded.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
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"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:15 pm

At best the Conservatives will win yet another minority, and we will be back into the same old fucking cycle all over again. Trudeau is making headway, and should take most of eastern Canada. Unfortunately my man Jack died, and he was pretty much all the NDP had, since Mulcair is a fucking nutjob. It will come down to Alberta, and B.C., and we ALL know exactly how the retards in this province are going to vote. The Conservatives fucked this province over for 35 years, we had a chance to vote them out, and we give them another majority.

Doesn't matter anyhow. Foreign corporations, or China will own the country in 20 years anyway, at the rate the government is selling it off.

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Postby Transoxthraxia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:16 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:At best the Conservatives will win yet another minority, and we will be back into the same old fucking cycle all over again. Trudeau is making headway, and should take most of eastern Canada. Unfortunately my man Jack died, and he was pretty much all the NDP had, since Mulcair is a fucking nutjob. It will come down to Alberta, and B.C., and we ALL know exactly how the retards in this province are going to vote. The Conservatives fucked this province over for 35 years, we had a chance to vote them out, and we give them another majority.

Doesn't matter anyhow. Foreign corporations, or China will own the country in 20 years anyway, at the rate the government is selling it off.

There's so much no in this that I can't even.
Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Transoxthraxia confirmed for shit taste

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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Ainin wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:
No, I strongly disagree with you. Jack Layton was reactionary Stephen Harper is the complete opposite he is the very text book definition of a moderate tory. He refuses to open debate on certain social issues despite some social conservative MPs wanting to debate about it. He knows most Canadians are socially liberal so he knows its pointless to reopen the debate. He is a fiscal conservative and that is what his party stands for. Please elaborate on why Mr. Harper is so extreme in your own view.

You have no idea what "reactionary" means, do you?


I know what reactionary means thank you, and I disagree with your opinion. He doesn't want Canada to return to some previous way of thinking nor is he an extremist. He simply wants what is best for Canada.
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Postby Greater Istanistan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Although I don't agree with his politics, he's not an extremist.

However, I dislike:

-His authoritarian style

-The repeated scandals that seem to show violations of democracy and always lead up to his office

-His political murder of Nigel Wright to cover his own ass

-His partisan leanings

-The Economic Action Plan fund which he set up. It's a slush fund for payoffs.

-His "won't take no for an answer" speech in the USA

-His lack of basic politeness

-His annoying lack of etiquette or common decency in his campaigns



This, and more, irks me about Harper. And I hope he goes the way of Rob Ford. He's made several errors too many and I have no reason to trust anything he says.
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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:16 pm

Why are people wanting a bloody French biscuit (Trudeau) who's reputation was built off a legacy of a greater man (Pierre) in power?

NDP please. I've had enough of the Liberals within Ontario.
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Postby Marcurix » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:17 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:At best the Conservatives will win yet another minority, and we will be back into the same old fucking cycle all over again. Trudeau is making headway, and should take most of eastern Canada. Unfortunately my man Jack died, and he was pretty much all the NDP had, since Mulcair is a fucking nutjob. It will come down to Alberta, and B.C., and we ALL know exactly how the retards in this province are going to vote. The Conservatives fucked this province over for 35 years, we had a chance to vote them out, and we give them another majority.

Doesn't matter anyhow. Foreign corporations, or China will own the country in 20 years anyway, at the rate the government is selling it off.


Some people might object to you calling them "retards". Just because you don't agree with their choices doesn't make these people stupid.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:17 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:Although I don't agree with his politics, he's not an extremist.

However, I dislike:

-His authoritarian style

-The repeated scandals that seem to show violations of democracy and always lead up to his office

-His political murder of Nigel Wright to cover his own ass

-His partisan leanings

-The Economic Action Plan fund which he set up. It's a slush fund for payoffs.

-His "won't take no for an answer" speech in the USA

-His lack of basic politeness

-His annoying lack of etiquette or common decency in his campaigns



This, and more, irks me about Harper. And I hope he goes the way of Rob Ford. He's made several errors too many and I have no reason to trust anything he says.

Perhaps you are not aware that the Liberals were caught in the province of Ontario basically stealing 1.1 Billion dollars of taxpayer money. And yet, people seem more concerned about a mayor smoking crack than their own money.
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Where must we go, we who wander this wasteland, in search for our better selves?
In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder, and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:18 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:At best the Conservatives will win yet another minority, and we will be back into the same old fucking cycle all over again. Trudeau is making headway, and should take most of eastern Canada. Unfortunately my man Jack died, and he was pretty much all the NDP had, since Mulcair is a fucking nutjob. It will come down to Alberta, and B.C., and we ALL know exactly how the retards in this province are going to vote. The Conservatives fucked this province over for 35 years, we had a chance to vote them out, and we give them another majority.

Doesn't matter anyhow. Foreign corporations, or China will own the country in 20 years anyway, at the rate the government is selling it off.


I live in Alberta so I demand an apology right now. Your opinion is invalid on so many levels its not even funny.
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Postby United Federation of Canada » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:18 pm

NorthEast Alliance wrote:
Ainin wrote:You have no idea what "reactionary" means, do you?


I know what reactionary means thank you, and I disagree with your opinion. He doesn't want Canada to return to some previous way of thinking nor is he an extremist. He simply wants what is best for Canada.


You mean kissing Obama's ass, and selling Canada to China? Thought so.

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Postby Seitonjin » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:18 pm

Ainin wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:Stephen Harper is very moderate

Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.

There have been worse.

Who was that dude before McKenzie King?
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Postby Heltonia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:19 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
NorthEast Alliance wrote:
I know what reactionary means thank you, and I disagree with your opinion. He doesn't want Canada to return to some previous way of thinking nor is he an extremist. He simply wants what is best for Canada.


You mean kissing Obama's ass, and selling Canada to China? Thought so.

...thats a rather contradictory statement.

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Postby Thurask » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:19 pm

Seitonjin wrote:
Ainin wrote:Yeah, right. He's as reactionary as a Canadian politician gets.

There have been worse.

Who was that dude before McKenzie King?

RB Bennett and/or Arthur Meighen.

Anyway, his foreign policy and his stance on intellectual property/net neutrality don't really sell the Conservative Party to me. Neither does whatever stupid thing the ON Liberals are doing at the moment sell the Liberal Party (on top of Michael Ignatieff's lasting legacy of third place), so I think the NDP are left through process of elimination.
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