Stephen Harper: Tory Convention in Calgary

[NorthEast Alliance]

Justin can ride on all the legacy he wants, his father was a terrible prime minister and that "legacy" will get him no where out west were he needs those votes.

[all my facepalms inserted here]

What? Him cozying up to leftist dictators and the NEP don't exactly make me think fondly of him.

[Ainin]

I dunno, the NDP's never won before, I think. This could be there time, but I kind of doubt it. Although, I cant see a lot of people voting Liberal, as the party's a mess right now, so the NDP may get more votes from former Libs. Of course, some may turn to the Conservatives too, which is what I'm hoping for.

The party's in repairs right now, and they've got a ludicrously popular and rather charismatic leader.

As of today, they've also surpassed the Conservatives in both individual donors and total donations.

FIGHTER JETS

Forget fighter jets or attack helicopters, think bigger. Submarines. Destroyers. Supply ships.

1) Canada's submarines are utter crap.
2) There's a single destroyer defending the Pacific coast.
2) There is a single supply ship for the entire Pacific Fleet.

[Seitonjin]

[all my facepalms inserted here]

What? Him cozying up to leftist dictators and the NEP don't exactly make me think fondly of him.

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

[Seitonjin]

The party's in repairs right now, and they've got a ludicrously popular and rather charismatic leader.

As of today, they've also surpassed the Conservatives in both individual donors and total donations.

FIGHTER JETS

Forget fighter jets or attack helicopters, think bigger. Submarines. Destroyers. Supply ships.

1) Canada's submarines are utter crap.
2) There's a single destroyer defending the Pacific coast.
2) There is a single supply ship for the entire Pacific Fleet.

Amen.

[Geilinor]

the Liberals and NDP both long noted for dangerous fiscal policies and a long history of corruption both at a federal and provincial level.

Dangerous how? The Liberals balanced the budget in the 1990s and the NDP has never been in power at the federal level, so there's no way they can claim to know what the NDP would do to the budget.

[Ainin]

Justin can ride on all the legacy he wants, his father was a terrible prime minister and that "legacy" will get him no where out west were he needs those votes.

This "terrible prime minister" happened to codify your rights and freedoms.

[Avenio]

You forgot the bit about "refusing to talk about it" and "assure people it'll go better next time". Oh. And the good old "Cackle maniacally as bills are shoveled into a massive sack labelled "US Military-Industrial Complex"

Now now, let's be fair.

We shouldn't forget about the secret sack stowed away in the back broom closet of the Prime Minister's Office that's labelled "Tory Senator expenses slush fund".

[Solaray]

What? Him cozying up to leftist dictators and the NEP don't exactly make me think fondly of him.

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

I dont particularly care for the way he forget their were two sides of Canada, not just the East. I mean, sure he remembered us, when one of the eastern provinces wanted some of our oil and agriculture money.

[NorthEast Alliance]

What? Him cozying up to leftist dictators and the NEP don't exactly make me think fondly of him.

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

I understand you would think I am shallow, I just think it was the wrong move because America was and still is are biggest trading partner and when old Trudeua was off in Cuba or the USSR that Americans were not thrilled. Also he distanced himself from NATO and was obsessed with communism. His antics on the diplomatic side of things were nothing to be proud of.

[Baader-Meinhof Gruppe]

Stephen Harper is Canada's equivalent to Bush, just without the whole war bit. He hates freedom and as such should have his taken away. I hope for anything but a Tory led government.

[Greater Istanistan]

Justin can ride on all the legacy he wants, his father was a terrible prime minister and that "legacy" will get him no where out west were he needs those votes.

I'd disagree on terrible. He didn't like Western Canada, and hurt people there. By that standard, Harper is similarly terrible.

Add to the fact that they were both militaristic, often insensitive, and deeply annoying to about half the nation and loved by the other half, and you have a fairly good picture of equality.

But then Trudeau patriated the Constitution, stopped the FLQ, brought in universal health care, built ties with China before Nixon, made us officially bilingual, got us onto G7, and established the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

What has Harper done for us? Our spy service is humiliated, our army has lost its peacekeeping reputation, the navy is a disaster, the government is divided, his appointees are corrupt or unfit for office, his backbench is nearly in revolt, and he regularly prorogues. He relies on his wife's kittens for charisma.

At least he added "Royal" back to our forces..... Wait ....... Is that an achievement?

[Seitonjin]

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

I dont particularly care for the way he forget their were two sides of Canada, not just the East. I mean, sure he remembered us, when one of the eastern provinces wanted some of our oil and agriculture money.

Western provinces did have issues under him, yes.

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

I understand you would think I am shallow, I just think it was the wrong move because America was and still is are biggest trading partner and when old Trudeua was off in Cuba or the USSR that Americans were not thrilled. Also he distanced himself from NATO and was obsessed with communism. His antics on the diplomatic side of things were nothing to be proud of.

So? I'm glad we didn't pull ourselves further into an ideological war that need not be part off.

He also gave you your rights and freedoms yo.

[NorthEast Alliance]

the Liberals and NDP both long noted for dangerous fiscal policies and a long history of corruption both at a federal and provincial level.

Dangerous how? The Liberals balanced the budget in the 1990s and the NDP has never been in power at the federal level, so there's no way they can claim to know what the NDP would do to the budget.

Dangerous in the fact that both parties borrow and borrow and spend and spend. The NDP destroyed the Yukon were my father lived for most of his life by high spending and taxation. Pretty soon they just throw their hands in the air and say, " Well the money has run out, elites in Ottawa give us more money!"

[Seitonjin]

Dangerous how? The Liberals balanced the budget in the 1990s and the NDP has never been in power at the federal level, so there's no way they can claim to know what the NDP would do to the budget.

Dangerous in the fact that both parties borrow and borrow and spend and spend. The NDP destroyed the Yukon were my father lived for most of his life by high spending and taxation. Pretty soon they just throw their hands in the air and say, " Well the money has run out, elites in Ottawa give us more money!"

*snigger*

Too bad. /gets smacked again

[NorthEast Alliance]

I dont particularly care for the way he forget their were two sides of Canada, not just the East. I mean, sure he remembered us, when one of the eastern provinces wanted some of our oil and agriculture money.

Western provinces did have issues under him, yes.

I understand you would think I am shallow, I just think it was the wrong move because America was and still is are biggest trading partner and when old Trudeua was off in Cuba or the USSR that Americans were not thrilled. Also he distanced himself from NATO and was obsessed with communism. His antics on the diplomatic side of things were nothing to be proud of.

So? I'm glad we didn't pull ourselves further into an ideological war that need not be part off.

He also gave you your rights and freedoms yo.

I am not debating the merits of an idoiclgial war, just that you do not piss on your biggest trading partners rug!

[Greater Istanistan]

He was just building up a reputation for Canada of fairness, honesty, and trustworthiness on both sides of the fence. That reputation is gone.

[Seitonjin]

Western provinces did have issues under him, yes.

So? I'm glad we didn't pull ourselves further into an ideological war that need not be part off.

He also gave you your rights and freedoms yo.

I am not debating the merits of an idoiclgial war, just that you do not piss on your biggest trading partners rug!

Dude. That is why he 'slept' with leftist dictators. It was so we don't have to rely on the big ole lumbering... thing to the south of us.

[NorthEast Alliance]

I am not debating the merits of an idoiclgial war, just that you do not piss on your biggest trading partners rug!

Dude. That is why he 'slept' with leftist dictators. It was so we don't have to rely on the big ole lumbering... thing to the south of us.

Yes because the Soviet Union and Cuba were reliable trading partners right? Fidel made Nixon look like an honest person.

[Seitonjin]

Dude. That is why he 'slept' with leftist dictators. It was so we don't have to rely on the big ole lumbering... thing to the south of us.

Yes because the Soviet Union and Cuba were reliable trading partners right? Fidel made Nixon look like an honest person.

Maybe because Nixon is and was an honest person [Nixon fanboy sorry]

You are missing the point. If we rely on one nation for trade, it would bring us down (hey, that's what is happening now, whoops) sure USSR, Cuba, and the PRC aren't 100% reliable for trade, but it made more diversity for the Canadian foreign market.

[Oneracon]

Well he did keep Quebec in line.

And to say that he cozyed up with leftist dictators and disliking him for just that is a tad... shallow no?

I understand you would think I am shallow, I just think it was the wrong move because America was and still is are biggest trading partner and when old Trudeua was off in Cuba or the USSR that Americans were not thrilled.

Pierre Trudeau recognized that relying almost entirely on the US for trade was a terrible idea, and it is thanks to him that Canada began pursuing diverse trading relationships. Can you imagine how much worse our economy would be right now if we were still almost exclusively hitched to the Americans?

Dangerous in the fact that both parties borrow and borrow and spend and spend. The NDP destroyed the Yukon were my father lived for most of his life by high spending and taxation. Pretty soon they just throw their hands in the air and say, " Well the money has run out, elites in Ottawa give us more money!"

You realize that the political situations in provinces and territories are very different, right? Like how the territories have very little autonomy when compared to provinces, and rely largely on funding from the federal government to provide services to a large geographic area with very few citizens.

[Greater Istanistan]

I understand you would think I am shallow, I just think it was the wrong move because America was and still is are biggest trading partner and when old Trudeua was off in Cuba or the USSR that Americans were not thrilled.

Pierre Trudeau recognized that relying almost entirely on the US for trade was a terrible idea, and it is thanks to him that Canada began pursuing diverse trading relationships. Can you imagine how much worse our economy would be right now if we were still almost exclusively hitched to the Americans?

Dangerous in the fact that both parties borrow and borrow and spend and spend. The NDP destroyed the Yukon were my father lived for most of his life by high spending and taxation. Pretty soon they just throw their hands in the air and say, " Well the money has run out, elites in Ottawa give us more money!"

You realize that the political situations in provinces and territories are very different, right? Like how the territories have very little autonomy when compared to provinces, and rely largely on funding from the federal government to provide services to a large geographic area with very few citizens.

So you can blame the government for any fiscal failings there.

[NorthEast Alliance]

Yes because the Soviet Union and Cuba were reliable trading partners right? Fidel made Nixon look like an honest person.

Maybe because Nixon is and was an honest person [Nixon fanboy sorry]

You are missing the point. If we rely on one nation for trade, it would bring us down (hey, that's what is happening now, whoops) sure USSR, Cuba, and the PRC aren't 100% reliable for trade, but it made more diversity for the Canadian foreign market.

"I am not a crook!"

Harper is doing that right now with the EU and well China. But back in the Cold War era trade with our southern friends was vital. As for 2013 Libya would make a better trading partner. (Sorry Americans your economy sucks right now.)

[Ainin]

Dangerous how? The Liberals balanced the budget in the 1990s and the NDP has never been in power at the federal level, so there's no way they can claim to know what the NDP would do to the budget.

Dangerous in the fact that both parties borrow and borrow and spend and spend. The NDP destroyed the Yukon were my father lived for most of his life by high spending and taxation. Pretty soon they just throw their hands in the air and say, " Well the money has run out, elites in Ottawa give us more money!"

Lrn2Law, that's always how it worked.

He was just building up a reputation for Canada of fairness, honesty, and trustworthiness on both sides of the fence. That reputation is gone.

Thanks, Chrétien, Martin and Harper.

[Seitonjin]

Maybe because Nixon is and was an honest person [Nixon fanboy sorry]

You are missing the point. If we rely on one nation for trade, it would bring us down (hey, that's what is happening now, whoops) sure USSR, Cuba, and the PRC aren't 100% reliable for trade, but it made more diversity for the Canadian foreign market.

"I am not a crook!"

Harper is doing that right now with the EU and well China. But back in the Cold War era trade with our southern friends was vital. As for 2013 Libya would make a better trading partner. (Sorry Americans your economy sucks right now.)

See? He is like, totes your bro.

Not doing it fast enough. (Indeed, no one can into economy atm there)

[Seitonjin]

He was just building up a reputation for Canada of fairness, honesty, and trustworthiness on both sides of the fence. That reputation is gone.

Thanks, Chrétien, Martin and Harper.

The two prior to Harper weren't THAT bad...