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What is the Best Realistic Form of Government?

Absolute Monarchy
21
5%
Constitutional Monarchy
32
8%
Ogliarchy
5
1%
Fascist State
34
9%
Right-Wing Democracy
47
12%
Moderate Democracy
67
17%
Left-Wing Democracy
68
17%
Socialism
40
10%
Communism
44
11%
Anarchy
42
11%
 
Total votes : 400

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Postby Sanguinea » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:35 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Dangelia wrote:Semi-socialist semi-federal parliamentary executive constitutional monarchy

How does one be semi-socialist or semi-federal?

Being interested in the wellbeing of your people only half of the time.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:49 pm

Belique wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:
Just make it absolute monarchy. It is the same amout of luck as democracy.


THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE!


Also having a King just sounds cool.
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Postby Czechanada » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:52 am

Also, any government with me at the helm would be perfect.
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Postby Independent Wessex » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:29 am

A fascist Anglican theocracy
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Postby Divair » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:40 am

Nuverikstan wrote:
Belique wrote:
THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE!


Also having a King just sounds cool.

If you're 12.

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Postby The USOT » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:40 am

Independent Wessex wrote:A fascist Anglican theocracy

Your right!

If we combine a historical failure with a historical failure, nothing could go wrong!

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Postby Divair » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:41 am

The USOT wrote:
Independent Wessex wrote:A fascist Anglican theocracy

Your right!

If we combine a historical failure with a historical failure, nothing could go wrong!

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Two negatives, so they cancel out.
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Postby Duvniask » Mon Nov 25, 2013 7:50 am

Nuverikstan wrote:
Belique wrote:
THANK YOU! FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE!


Also having a King just sounds cool.

"Here's a reminder of the people that used to oppress your ancestors."
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Postby Belique » Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:27 am

Duvniask wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:
Also having a King just sounds cool.

"Here's a reminder of the people that used to oppress your ancestors."


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Postby Duvniask » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:15 am

Belique wrote:
Duvniask wrote:"Here's a reminder of the people that used to oppress your ancestors."


There's no link smarts

What are you talking about?

Are you somehow under the impression, that I intended for it to be an URL?
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Postby Kumrann » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:27 am

It would be a parliamentary democracy with the following features

1. Bicameral - Lower house elected by FPTP every 5 years. 50% of the upper house would be elected every 10 years through a party list system. The other 50% would be appointed by a committee for life.
2. Federal - Strong regional government with as much done on a local level as possible.
3. Non Executive president - Give most powers to the PM have the speaker of the upper house act as President.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:31 am

I would like some sort of a midway between a parliamentary republic and a Roman-style republic. MPs are elected by the masses, two PMs/presidents serve simultaneously, and positions like aediles, praetors, and quasetors (all officials from the Roman Republic) are appointed by their fellow MPs.
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Postby Kumrann » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:34 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:I would like some sort of a midway between a parliamentary republic and a Roman-style republic. MPs are elected by the masses, two PMs/presidents serve simultaneously, and positions like aediles, praetors, and quasetors (all officials from the Roman Republic) are appointed by their fellow MPs.


What's the benefit of having 2 PMs/Presidents serving at the same time?
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Postby Belique » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:27 pm

There would be too much responsibility for the uneducated populace. The system would fall apart! Nice try though!
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Postby Siaos » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:41 pm

Weird how communism got so many votes, I'm surprised. There are plenty of socialists on here, but I don't see many communists in the General Section.
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Postby The Great University of Planet » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:46 pm

Icamera wrote:A Plato-style government of philosopher-kings would be nice, if it didn't automatically entail gradual devolution into tyranny... to be perfectly honest, I don't think there is such a thing as an ideal form of government.

Plato thought the ideal ruler would be a philosopher king?

I have a feeling that if Plato was a cobbler, he would think the ideal ruler would be a cobbler king. ;)
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Postby Duvniask » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:48 pm

Siaos wrote:Weird how communism got so many votes, I'm surprised. There are plenty of socialists on here, but I don't see many communists in the General Section.

It may not be immediately obvious.
Besides, one can still think communism would be the perfect form of government without actually being a communist.
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Postby Siaos » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:52 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Siaos wrote:Weird how communism got so many votes, I'm surprised. There are plenty of socialists on here, but I don't see many communists in the General Section.

It may not be immediately obvious.
Besides, one can still think communism would be the perfect form of government without actually being a communist.

True, I just hope they realize communism can not exist in its "perfect" form. Even if everything went well and they created their "utopia" there are inherent flaws to the system which keeps it from being a true utopia.
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Postby The Great University of Planet » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:55 pm

Personally, I think the best kind of government is one that adapts its policies to suit the current situation. Obsessing over ideologies is counterproductive.
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Postby Threlizdun » Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:57 pm

Siaos wrote:
Duvniask wrote:It may not be immediately obvious.
Besides, one can still think communism would be the perfect form of government without actually being a communist.

True, I just hope they realize communism can not exist in its "perfect" form. Even if everything went well and they created their "utopia" there are inherent flaws to the system which keeps it from being a true utopia.

I've never met a communist who believed communism was a utopia. Almost everyone accepts that a utopia is impossible. Communists simply believe the communism is the best system we can implement, not necessarily a perfect one. It can definitely exist as theorized however, as it has an does exist as theorized. It was the dominant political system until relatively recently.
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Postby Siaos » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:03 pm

Threlizdun wrote:
Siaos wrote:True, I just hope they realize communism can not exist in its "perfect" form. Even if everything went well and they created their "utopia" there are inherent flaws to the system which keeps it from being a true utopia.

I've never met a communist who believed communism was a utopia. Almost everyone accepts that a utopia is impossible. Communists simply believe the communism is the best system we can implement, not necessarily a perfect one. It can definitely exist as theorized however, as it has an does exist as theorized. It was the dominant political system until relatively recently.

It was never the dominant political system. The "Communism" created in Cuba, Russia, and China wasn't communism at all. The fact that the government officials were obviously of a higher class than the "peasants" who worked the collective farms in China and Russia showed they weren't really trying to create a communist or socialist utopia, they just managed to convince the populace that they were.

And you've never come across those psuedo-communist teenagers who don't really understand communism, but act like they do?
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Postby Duvniask » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:05 pm

Siaos wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:I've never met a communist who believed communism was a utopia. Almost everyone accepts that a utopia is impossible. Communists simply believe the communism is the best system we can implement, not necessarily a perfect one. It can definitely exist as theorized however, as it has an does exist as theorized. It was the dominant political system until relatively recently.

It was never the dominant political system. The "Communism" created in Cuba, Russia, and China wasn't communism at all. The fact that the government officials were obviously of a higher class than the "peasants" who worked the collective farms in China and Russia showed they weren't really trying to create a communist or socialist utopia, they just managed to convince the populace that they were.

And you've never come across those psuedo-communist teenagers who don't really understand communism but act like they do?

I believe they were referring to primitive communism.
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Postby Siaos » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:06 pm

Duvniask wrote:
Siaos wrote:It was never the dominant political system. The "Communism" created in Cuba, Russia, and China wasn't communism at all. The fact that the government officials were obviously of a higher class than the "peasants" who worked the collective farms in China and Russia showed they weren't really trying to create a communist or socialist utopia, they just managed to convince the populace that they were.

And you've never come across those psuedo-communist teenagers who don't really understand communism but act like they do?

I believe they were referring to primitive communism.

Fair enough, but it has never existed in the more organized, advanced system that marx theorized, and it can't without horrific consequences.
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Postby Kumrann » Fri Nov 29, 2013 2:28 pm

Siaos wrote:
Duvniask wrote:I believe they were referring to primitive communism.

Fair enough, but it has never existed in the more organized, advanced system that marx theorized, and it can't without horrific consequences.


Alongside this where proper Communism (see Anarchist Catalonia) has been achieved it has been quickly and easily overrun by an organized, hierarchical fighting force.
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