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What is the Best Realistic Form of Government?

Absolute Monarchy
21
5%
Constitutional Monarchy
32
8%
Ogliarchy
5
1%
Fascist State
34
9%
Right-Wing Democracy
47
12%
Moderate Democracy
67
17%
Left-Wing Democracy
68
17%
Socialism
40
10%
Communism
44
11%
Anarchy
42
11%
 
Total votes : 400

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Postby Mkuki » Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:43 pm

Belique wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Yes, they do.

Perfect implies different things from best. Perfect means no flaws while best usually means that flaws are at a minimal.


Close enough, it wouldn't really matter, as nothing is perfect besides Jesus Christ. I just wish everyone could think beyond a small error and get on with the topic. Don't be a stick-in-the-mud and technical. :)

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Postby Belique » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:14 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Belique wrote:
Close enough, it wouldn't really matter, as nothing is perfect besides Jesus Christ. I just wish everyone could think beyond a small error and get on with the topic. Don't be a stick-in-the-mud and technical. :)

It does matter and I will be that way. I'd like accuracy.


You say that u want accuracy, but demand perfection? No, just don't put anything else annoying up, and go make ur own.
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Postby Lies and Ignorance » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:28 pm

Socialist democracy. It's not really a democracy if it's not socialist.
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:37 pm

A Republic where the presence of an armed populace and a written Constitution prevent a Republic from turning into an Oligarchy. This government is preferably small, with a minimal affect on peoples personal lives, with just enough influence in economics to prevent monopolies, barbaric business practice (like child labor), and some protectionism to keep from foreign business' running the place.
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:40 pm

Tribea wrote:
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I know we are both anarchists, but i made an essay against AnCaps(Anarcho-Capitalists). http://www.booksie.com/editorial_and_op ... delusional

without a government, who would enforce a lack of capitalism?
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Postby New Connorstantinople » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:44 pm

truthfully, as long is it is run by humans even a little bit, it will not be perfect. that's why the "best" is one that limits how much power one person can have over the other.
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Postby Wytenigistan » Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:46 pm

I was torn between Constitutional Monarchy and Moderate Democracy.
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Postby Katyuscha » Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:49 pm

None. They're all inefficient, but some are less terrible than others.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:49 am

New Connorstantinople wrote:
Tribea wrote:I know we are both anarchists, but i made an essay against AnCaps(Anarcho-Capitalists). http://www.booksie.com/editorial_and_op ... delusional

without a government, who would enforce a lack of capitalism?

Anarchism isn't a lack of government , though they are wrong in believing capitalism in any way compatible with anarchism.
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Postby Cyllea » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:55 am

Democracy.

Before you think I'm just generalizing, true democracy.

No corporations involved.

No donations.

No advertising.

Just true democracy.

This includes direct democracy, to some extent.

If the people feel they should vote on something, they should be able to hold a referendum.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:12 am

Belique wrote:When I have looked at the perfect government, I have always imagined a nearly all-powerful monarch that has a set of Common Laws that he can only change one thing in his reign on. He would be elected by 10 Great Elector-Nobles who decide on who will be the next King. In addition to these limitations, the monarch only reigns for 20 years, but CAN be re-elected.

Your perfect government is Crusader Kings II?

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Postby Seljuq Kyiv » Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:38 am

Arglorand wrote:
Belique wrote:When I have looked at the perfect government, I have always imagined a nearly all-powerful monarch that has a set of Common Laws that he can only change one thing in his reign on. He would be elected by 10 Great Elector-Nobles who decide on who will be the next King. In addition to these limitations, the monarch only reigns for 20 years, but CAN be re-elected.

Your perfect government is Crusader Kings II?

I am only slightly amused.


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Postby Cameroi » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:32 am

one which neither invest authority in any individual greater then that of any and every ordinary citizen, nor requires the participation of political parties nor the concept of them. also one which claims no ideology nor uses any to excuse misconduct nor commits any.

there are no perfect forms, but uncorrupted governance IS possible.
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Postby Yue-Laou » Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:52 am

Most options listed aren't 'forms of government'. history shows liberal democracy is by far the best. I personally like it defensive. I also like first past the post systems.
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:00 am

A matriarchal Caliphate.
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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:02 am

Czechanada wrote:A matriarchal Caliphate.

CZC, I think I've read enough of your stuff here on NS to confirm that you're either morbidly satirical and sarcastic, or batshit insane. :lol2:
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Postby Ludinesia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:19 am

Voltairic enlightened despotism. Or technocracy perhaps? It all depends on what you prioritize; equality? Socialist dictatorship. Personal liberties? "Libertarian dictatorship" :blink: . Strong nation? Etatist dictatorship. Unfortunately most people tend to only choose what suits their own interests (and the interests of the media), hence nearly all democracies contain only liberal and socialist parties, the rich votes liberal and the poor votes socialist.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:27 am

There is no such thing as a perfect system, but a democracy run by a Liberal Democratic Socialist Party with a focus on education (with a lesser focus on healthcare and law and order) would be the best available system in my opinion. It would be preferable if the seats for the democracy were allocated from the results of the national vote using the Hare method to ensure accurate representation.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:34 am

Ludinesia wrote:Unfortunately most people tend to only choose what suits their own interests (and the interests of the media), hence nearly all democracies contain only liberal and socialist parties, the rich votes liberal and the poor votes socialist.


Woh woh woh, which amazing countries out there in the world are mainly divided between only these two fairly reasonable options? Certainly none I have ever heard of. Could you give some examples?
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Postby Ludinesia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:43 am

New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Ludinesia wrote:Unfortunately most people tend to only choose what suits their own interests (and the interests of the media), hence nearly all democracies contain only liberal and socialist parties, the rich votes liberal and the poor votes socialist.


Woh woh woh, which amazing countries out there in the world are mainly divided between only these two fairly reasonable options? Certainly none I have ever heard of. Could you give some examples?



Though these nations are hardly amazing, there's a lot of them. More or less all of Europe, excepting eastern europe. For example England, which contains two liberal parties (the pseudo-conservatives, and the lib-dems) and one socialist (labour). We also have Sweden, the country where I live, with one socialist and one liberal coalition.
There are however nationalistic parties on the rise in most of Europe, but these tend to be liberal in most aspects aswell.
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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:56 am

Ludinesia wrote:
New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Woh woh woh, which amazing countries out there in the world are mainly divided between only these two fairly reasonable options? Certainly none I have ever heard of. Could you give some examples?



Though these nations are hardly amazing, there's a lot of them. More or less all of Europe, excepting eastern europe. For example England, which contains two liberal parties (the pseudo-conservatives, and the lib-dems) and one socialist (labour). We also have Sweden, the country where I live, with one socialist and one liberal coalition.
There are however nationalistic parties on the rise in most of Europe, but these tend to be liberal in most aspects aswell.


I assume by Socialist you here mean Democratic Socialist and not true Socialist? Because to call the Labour Party in Britain Socialist is absurd.
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Postby Ludinesia » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:04 am

New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Ludinesia wrote:

Though these nations are hardly amazing, there's a lot of them. More or less all of Europe, excepting eastern europe. For example England, which contains two liberal parties (the pseudo-conservatives, and the lib-dems) and one socialist (labour). We also have Sweden, the country where I live, with one socialist and one liberal coalition.
There are however nationalistic parties on the rise in most of Europe, but these tend to be liberal in most aspects aswell.


I assume by Socialist you here mean Democratic Socialist and not true Socialist? Because to call the Labour Party in Britain Socialist is absurd.


Yes, I count socialist-esque parties as socialist and liberal-esque parties as liberal. There are very few parties in the world that are completely true to their ideology.

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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 8:33 am

Ludinesia wrote:
New Socialist South Africa wrote:
I assume by Socialist you here mean Democratic Socialist and not true Socialist? Because to call the Labour Party in Britain Socialist is absurd.


Yes, I count socialist-esque parties as socialist and liberal-esque parties as liberal. There are very few parties in the world that are completely true to their ideology.


Fair enough. Obviously that isn't true in countries like the USA with the main competition between the Democrats (Third Way Liberals) and Republicans (Conservative Strong Capitalists) with some other random minor parties. African politics is also quite different because of tribalism and northern interference.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:15 am

Honestly, whatever gives me the most personal control over what happens. So right now that would be a democracy or a republic.
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:20 am

One-World Authoritarian State with compulsory military and mandatory education.
For so long, Mankind has been plagued by division. Division by culture, creed, skin color, religion and nationality. These very divisions have been the cause of most human conflicts. But in the age of globalism, we can finally have that chance to implement a world government where all human beings are seen as equals. Isn't that what everyone wants? World peace? I do. You should support that too. It may not end all conflicts, but the reductions of Man on Man violence will be at an all time low when the entire planet gets administered by one governing body.


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