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What is the Best Realistic Form of Government?

Absolute Monarchy
21
5%
Constitutional Monarchy
32
8%
Ogliarchy
5
1%
Fascist State
34
9%
Right-Wing Democracy
47
12%
Moderate Democracy
67
17%
Left-Wing Democracy
68
17%
Socialism
40
10%
Communism
44
11%
Anarchy
42
11%
 
Total votes : 400

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Postby Faith Hope Charity » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:00 pm

None of the above... a Minarchistic Republic would be best.
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MYAWESOMENESS
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Postby MYAWESOMENESS » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:04 pm

To be honest there really isn't a perfect form of government

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:05 pm

There is no such thing as a perfect form of government, there's merely whatever form suits the nation's current needs best.
Freedom doesn't mean being able to do as one please, but rather not to do as one doesn't please.

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Postby Baconbacon123 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:06 pm

facsist

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Postby Belique » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:07 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:There is no such thing as a perfect form of government, there's merely whatever form suits the nation's current needs best.


There is truth to that, but we are speaking generally.
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Postby Belique » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:08 pm

Baconbacon123 wrote:facsist


It's Fascism, not "fascist".
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:11 pm

Baconbacon123 wrote:facsist


Fascism is a horrible ideology. How can you like it?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:18 pm

Belique wrote:
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:There is no such thing as a perfect form of government, there's merely whatever form suits the nation's current needs best.


There is truth to that, but we are speaking generally.


That is speaking generally. Monarchy was once the most common form of government and nobody had any questions about having a king rule the nation being beneficial and good. Where monarchy could not meet the needs of it's subjects, republics would evolve, and sometimes later turn into totalitarian states in reaction to the failures of the previous regime. Government forms evolve and change constantly along with everything else in society.
Freedom doesn't mean being able to do as one please, but rather not to do as one doesn't please.

A fool sees religion as the truth. A smart man sees religion as a lie. A ruler sees religion as a useful tool.

The more God in one's mouth, the less in one's heart.

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Postby Belique » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:18 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Baconbacon123 wrote:facsist


Fascism is a horrible ideology. How can you like it?


The fascism I agree is disgusting, but the economic boosts it provides are literally universe-changing. Look at Germany or Spain before Hitler and Franco, letter ally pieces of shit that not even the French went near. Then look at the industrial/economic strength of the nation 10 years later! 1932-1942 everybody in the world was either deathly scared of Hitler overrunning their country, or they wanted to be like him.
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Postby Kleveburg » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:21 pm

National Socialist government.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:23 pm

Belique wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Fascism is a horrible ideology. How can you like it?


The fascism I agree is disgusting, but the economic boosts it provides are literally universe-changing. Look at Germany or Spain before Hitler and Franco, letter ally pieces of shit that not even the French went near. Then look at the industrial/economic strength of the nation 10 years later! 1932-1942 everybody in the world was either deathly scared of Hitler overrunning their country, or they wanted to be like him.


Fascism economically is extremely powerful and uplifting, but all the social ills, authoritarianism/totalitarianism, militarism, sexism, racism, xenophobia, ultra-nationalism, and hate out weighs the benefits.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Belique » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:55 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Belique wrote:
The fascism I agree is disgusting, but the economic boosts it provides are literally universe-changing. Look at Germany or Spain before Hitler and Franco, letter ally pieces of shit that not even the French went near. Then look at the industrial/economic strength of the nation 10 years later! 1932-1942 everybody in the world was either deathly scared of Hitler overrunning their country, or they wanted to be like him.


Fascism economically is extremely powerful and uplifting, but all the social ills, authoritarianism/totalitarianism, militarism, sexism, racism, xenophobia, ultra-nationalism, and hate out weighs the benefits.


Totilitarianism, Militarism, Ultra-Natonalism, and Sexism are NOT bad things
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:57 pm

What fucking choices are theses?

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Postby Belique » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:00 pm

Mike the Progressive wrote:What fucking choices are theses?


Some good ones, some bad ones. *cough*Communism*cough*
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:44 pm

Belique wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Fascism is a horrible ideology. How can you like it?


The fascism I agree is disgusting, but the economic boosts it provides are literally universe-changing. Look at Germany or Spain before Hitler and Franco, letter ally pieces of shit that not even the French went near. Then look at the industrial/economic strength of the nation 10 years later! 1932-1942 everybody in the world was either deathly scared of Hitler overrunning their country, or they wanted to be like him.

Which depended upon mass death and invasions to maintain.
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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:27 am

One where the autocrat is a colossal beast from the netherworld.

Or one that has tentacles.
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Postby Cameroi » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:25 am

the most perfect form of government would be for everyone to be so perfectly self disciplined as to not need one.
the second most perfect would by run by pink fluffy unicorns dancing on rainbows.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:25 am

Lianhua wrote:Or one that has tentacles.


lol Are you by any chance Japanese?

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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:29 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Lianhua wrote:Or one that has tentacles.


lol Are you by any chance Japanese?


You've check-mated me there Mike. Yes I am(half).
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Resistance is futile if less than one ohm.
Remember this, and you shall go far.
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I love you, -New Sealand-! Why so pretty, Chinese lady? <3 RenaxJiao!
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:33 am

Lianhua wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
lol Are you by any chance Japanese?


You've check-mated me there Mike. Yes I am(half).


Heh :lol: Stereotypes exist for a reason, I guess.

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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:35 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Lianhua wrote:
You've check-mated me there Mike. Yes I am(half).


Heh :lol: Stereotypes exist for a reason, I guess.


Am I to be offended by that or what? :lol2:
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Resistance is futile if less than one ohm.
Remember this, and you shall go far.
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I love you, -New Sealand-! Why so pretty, Chinese lady? <3 RenaxJiao!
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:44 am

Lianhua wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Heh :lol: Stereotypes exist for a reason, I guess.


Am I to be offended by that or what? :lol2:


Hehe depends on your sense of humor, I guess... but I'm hoping you have a good one :P

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Postby Lianhua (Ancient) » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:49 am

Mike the Progressive wrote:
Lianhua wrote:
Am I to be offended by that or what? :lol2:


Hehe depends on your sense of humor, I guess... but I'm hoping you have a good one :P


It's cool. It's not the first time someone would have speculated that I /may be/ Japanese because of the things I say. :p My sense of humor is not for me to pass judgement on (without being a douche). I often float around TET. :lol:
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Careful, jack. My patience has limits, unlike my Kung Fuuuuuuuu.. (^~^) - Lian Sifu

Resistance is futile if less than one ohm.
Remember this, and you shall go far.
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I love you, -New Sealand-! Why so pretty, Chinese lady? <3 RenaxJiao!
Quotes about me go here, because I still want a sig, tyvm. Also, Esternial
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Postby Viinborg » Mon Nov 11, 2013 2:59 am

Cameroi wrote:the most perfect form of government would be for everyone to be so perfectly self disciplined as to not need one.

Interesting, but not feasible unfortunately. However, it's nice to see the importance of personal responsibility stressed.
Cameroi wrote:the second most perfect would by run by pink fluffy unicorns dancing on rainbows.

Sold.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Mon Nov 11, 2013 3:00 am

Lianhua wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
Hehe depends on your sense of humor, I guess... but I'm hoping you have a good one :P


It's cool. It's not the first time someone would have speculated that I /may be/ Japanese because of the things I say. :p My sense of humor is not for me to pass judgement on (without being a douche). I often float around TET. :lol:


Well I wouldn't say it's douchey to pass judgment on your own humor. I mean my humor is great and sometimes people need to know that.

But yeah, it's no sweat. I'm part Asian myself, so I can make slightly racist jokes and comments without it being offensive or inappropriate.

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