What is the Perfect Form of Government?

[Seljuq Kyiv]

Iran's theocratic democracy seems to make the most sense to me. It's stable, it's clean, and people are generally pretty happy with it.

The no alcohol part is a bit of a turnoff to me personally. Also, no scantily clad women or bacon.

Whats the point of living without those things?

80 years without bacon, alcohol and women < Eternity with bacon, alcohol and women

[United Fascist Oceania]

Deleted.

[The Holy Therns]

A magical fantasy land with unicorns and rainbows and naked people playing harps.

In other words, we'll never get one.

[Lemanrussland]

A magical fantasy land with unicorns and rainbows and naked people playing harps.

In other words, we'll never get one.

Bullshit.

[Cameroi]

A magical fantasy land with unicorns and rainbows and naked people playing harps.

In other words, we'll never get one.

Bullshit.

not bullshit in the sense of their even being such a thing as perfection.
what we are capable of though, is creating ever closer to it ones.
just not something that will happen by limiting ourselves to known choices like those in the poll.
to answer what is perfect form, i would begin by saying none of those mentioned in the poll, and certainly none that have as yet been invented.
the only reason we aren't coming up with better ones and doing so more often, is because of believing existing labels are the only possibilities, when in reality, diversity being the nature of existence, possibilities are infinite.

[Conscentia]

Nirvana

[Conscentia]

Socialism isn't a form of government, and thus does not belong on the poll.

[Cameroi]

Nirvana

ultimately perhaps, though i have a certain fondness for "service state anonymous".

[Cameroi]

Socialism isn't a form of government, and thus does not belong on the poll.

well by that same strictly speaking, neither is communism nor anarchy. i would mention that neither is capitalism, but i see its already not in there.

[Nystromia]

Benevolent Dictatorship. Ataturk and Tito style.

[NationalBolshevism]

Stalinist Communism is the best form of government.

[Kuzestan]

A really transparent government

[Frihetskommunen]

The best form of government is a decentralized one made up of the people it's supposed to govern, in which they have direct control over their lives and anything relating to them but no power over things that do not affect them.

[Regenburg]

Direct democracy.

[Cameroi]

Benevolent Dictatorship. Ataturk and Tito style.

while both may be workable, and are even capable of providing greater personal freedom then a true democracy, the question was perfection.
that is a whole nother matter, and your simply not going to find it in anything nameable as an ideology.
culture is a, if not the, major factor.
i think having a lot of levels with the greatest leaway at the local level, something like a world government to insure mobility of individuals between localities, until they find one who's political climate they are most personally compatible with, and otherwise absolutely unlimited diversity at the local village level.
where you might have an absolute monarchy of a village tribe and in the next one a completely athinian democracy, and both are kept at peace by their distrcit, and perhaps connected by a little railway mantained at the regional, and so on lke that. where you have every village having its own way of life completely, with the only caveate being that not can stop people from moving in or out of them until each person finds which ever one they are most happy to make their home.

[Likia]

A mix of the UK, Canada, the US, Australia, China, and older Russia.

Actually, just Australia.

AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!

[Cameroi]

The best form of government is a decentralized one made up of the people it's supposed to govern, in which they have direct control over their lives and anything relating to them but no power over things that do not affect them.

yes. if you combine that with my other most recent reply you have the idea of what i'm talking about for my cameroi; i.e., the inverted pyramid, where every individual is the ultimate 'authority' and every level of government exists only to serve, never to rule.

that's also a way of achieving 'service state annonymous'.

[Yusova]

Rule by sexual prowess.

Would bondage slaves be actual slaves?

[Cameroi]

Rule by sexual prowess.

Would bondage slaves be actual slaves?

no, they would be the actual masters. yah, i know, its kind of weird.

[Belique]

Would bondage slaves be actual slaves?

no, they would be the actual masters. yah, i know, its kind of weird.

You guys creep me out!

[Yorkopolis]

The perfect government is a government of an absolute monarch well served by the best qualified, without interference from the ignorant masses.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

My idea of a perfect government is a Libertarian Fascist State. It is a war like outlook on Libertarianism. Hope you agree it is a new political movement I am trying to put through.

Libertarian fascism? Hoooooooooooooooooooooooh boy, fascism is totalitarian all the way down, and fascist libertarianism is the worst oxymoron I have ever heard of. Sorry bruv, try again. By its very nature, fascism desires totalitarianism, a total government. No more totalitarianism? No more fascism. That's the bottom line, basically.

Green Book Communism.

Why is communism the most perfect government? As you see it has failed every time. No man is perfect so it just turns into Russia.

Why do you think communism is Russia? Communism means a classless, stateless and currencyless society. Did Russia, at any given point in history, conform to that? No. Next!

Failed? More like sabotaged by Capitalist-Imperialistic "containment" at every single bloody turn.

That is completely false! If Communism was missing one thing (which was it being unattainable) I would be a MASSIVE advocate of Communism, and I think so would everyone else, but the idea is corrupted by human greed. Look at all Communist countries: the idea was to create less government result = more government-control than ever before, even in Nazi Germany! That is haut one example of how COMMUNISM IS A FAILURE, AND, it always results in the deaths of millions, even in tiny countries!

Okay, I don't normally do this, but are you delusional? Nazi Germany was not even near communist, not by 300 million fucking light years.

Communism: A stateless, classless, moneyless egalitarian society in which the workers own and democratically control the means of production (capital, factories, whatnot).

Did Nazi Germany conform to any of that? No. Time to move on.

I still think a small government Fascist State is the best. Fascism is right in the sense peace is impossible and war is good but I don't believe in all the authoritarian-totalitarianism so I go with a small government Fascist State. Anyone have anything against this (besides pacifists).

It's not possible for a small government to go big on expansionism, imperialism, and war. You simply cannot maintain an expansionist state without maintaining a huge state in the process. Also, totalitarianism is not authoritarianism, get that right.

Totalitarianism = All within the state, nothing outside of the state. Basically, the state is all and all is the state. Usually controlled "for the greater good" by a single individual or group of individuals, and has an ideological basis.

Authoritarianism = A strong state, but not necessarily "all within the state". Basically, the state is strong, but does not control all. Mostly non-ideological and controlled by a representative of a group usually called a junta. However, authoritarian democracies do exist; democracies with a powerful government.

But if you have the nation focused on war and the like the people won't argue about non important things like welfare and tobacco smokers. They will be focused on the war along with the government, so the people and the government won't be focusing on ruining each others life.

So, in short, you believe it's alright to just let people die on the streets if their salary isn't high enough to support themselves and their families? Good to know. Also, you cannot have a state of permanent war, not true permanent war, at least. Unless you want for the status quo to eternally be focused on war, then you'd descend into a reality that is not unlike Nineteen Eighty-Four. Besides that, the government can not be small if you're like, eternally in a state of war or eternally expanding. That's just, like, not possible. Fascism requires a huge government, otherwise it is not fascism at all.

It's probably a bad idea to advocate a form of government you know nothing about then, right?

Look I will work this out in the morning because in idea it sounds good and might just work just look at my last post.

No, endless war, poverty, and mindless militarism and ultranationalism don't look good, nor sound good, not even on paper.

They are. They just were not given the chance to succeed in implementing their systems.

Yet even so, Cuba has managed it. It has an HDI of 0,700-0,800 ranges (which approaches the average we have in Europe), a GNP of about €8 000, in addition to a GINI figure of 31 less than most of our capitalist countries. It furthermore has decent socio-economic programmes, despite having been under siege for decades.

North Korea too has struggled. Despite having seen 2,5 million of its civilian slaughtered during the Korean War by coalition forces, its agricultural fields laden with mines, cluster munitions of chemical agents dropped by coalition forces, despite seeing 18 out of 22 cities being razed to the ground in brutalising bombardments, despite facing decades of embargoes itself, has succeeded in getting an HDI of 0,733 as of 2013 with some of its socio-economic programmes (such as education, medical services, amongst others) be in decent conditions.

I hate to bust your rant here, but North Korea is as much communist as Hitler was. That is, they're not. Why?

1. There is a totalitarian state, speaking up against it will cost you your head.
2. There is prevalent racism. ^{[Source #1] [Source #2] [Source #3]}
3. There is no workers' control of the means of production.
4. There are social classes.

Communist? Not by 300 fucking light years is it!

Stalinist Communism is the best form of government.

Stalinism isn't communism.

[Republic of Coldwater]

I believe that a Night-Watchman/Libertarian Government would be a perfect government.

[Azurand]

Perfect, like in idealistically or pragmatically?

Idealistically it would be the nonexistence of state at all, the State as an inherently coercive organisation should be removed from society and replaced with the society itself. The laws are implemented by the people on the basis of common law

Pragmatically of course a libertarian state

[Dalluria]

Federal constitutional monarchy with proportional system and relatively high political and economic freedoms.

[Belique]

The perfect government is a government of an absolute monarch well served by the best qualified, without interference from the ignorant masses.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

My idea of a perfect government is a Libertarian Fascist State. It is a war like outlook on Libertarianism. Hope you agree it is a new political movement I am trying to put through.

Libertarian fascism? Hoooooooooooooooooooooooh boy, fascism is totalitarian all the way down, and fascist libertarianism is the worst oxymoron I have ever heard of. Sorry bruv, try again. By its very nature, fascism desires totalitarianism, a total government. No more totalitarianism? No more fascism. That's the bottom line, basically.

Why is communism the most perfect government? As you see it has failed every time. No man is perfect so it just turns into Russia.

Why do you think communism is Russia? Communism means a classless, stateless and currencyless society. Did Russia, at any given point in history, conform to that? No. Next!

That is completely false! If Communism was missing one thing (which was it being unattainable) I would be a MASSIVE advocate of Communism, and I think so would everyone else, but the idea is corrupted by human greed. Look at all Communist countries: the idea was to create less government result = more government-control than ever before, even in Nazi Germany! That is haut one example of how COMMUNISM IS A FAILURE, AND, it always results in the deaths of millions, even in tiny countries!

Okay, I don't normally do this, but are you delusional? Nazi Germany was not even near communist, not by 300 million fucking light years.

Communism: A stateless, classless, moneyless egalitarian society in which the workers own and democratically control the means of production (capital, factories, whatnot).

Did Nazi Germany conform to any of that? No. Time to move on.

I still think a small government Fascist State is the best. Fascism is right in the sense peace is impossible and war is good but I don't believe in all the authoritarian-totalitarianism so I go with a small government Fascist State. Anyone have anything against this (besides pacifists).

It's not possible for a small government to go big on expansionism, imperialism, and war. You simply cannot maintain an expansionist state without maintaining a huge state in the process. Also, totalitarianism is not authoritarianism, get that right.

Totalitarianism = All within the state, nothing outside of the state. Basically, the state is all and all is the state. Usually controlled "for the greater good" by a single individual or group of individuals, and has an ideological basis.

Authoritarianism = A strong state, but not necessarily "all within the state". Basically, the state is strong, but does not control all. Mostly non-ideological and controlled by a representative of a group usually called a junta. However, authoritarian democracies do exist; democracies with a powerful government.

But if you have the nation focused on war and the like the people won't argue about non important things like welfare and tobacco smokers. They will be focused on the war along with the government, so the people and the government won't be focusing on ruining each others life.

So, in short, you believe it's alright to just let people die on the streets if their salary isn't high enough to support themselves and their families? Good to know. Also, you cannot have a state of permanent war, not true permanent war, at least. Unless you want for the status quo to eternally be focused on war, then you'd descend into a reality that is not unlike Nineteen Eighty-Four. Besides that, the government can not be small if you're like, eternally in a state of war or eternally expanding. That's just, like, not possible. Fascism requires a huge government, otherwise it is not fascism at all.

Look I will work this out in the morning because in idea it sounds good and might just work just look at my last post.

No, endless war, poverty, and mindless militarism and ultranationalism don't look good, nor sound good, not even on paper.

They are. They just were not given the chance to succeed in implementing their systems.

Yet even so, Cuba has managed it. It has an HDI of 0,700-0,800 ranges (which approaches the average we have in Europe), a GNP of about €8 000, in addition to a GINI figure of 31 less than most of our capitalist countries. It furthermore has decent socio-economic programmes, despite having been under siege for decades.

North Korea too has struggled. Despite having seen 2,5 million of its civilian slaughtered during the Korean War by coalition forces, its agricultural fields laden with mines, cluster munitions of chemical agents dropped by coalition forces, despite seeing 18 out of 22 cities being razed to the ground in brutalising bombardments, despite facing decades of embargoes itself, has succeeded in getting an HDI of 0,733 as of 2013 with some of its socio-economic programmes (such as education, medical services, amongst others) be in decent conditions.

I hate to bust your rant here, but North Korea is as much communist as Hitler was. That is, they're not. Why?

1. There is a totalitarian state, speaking up against it will cost you your head.
2. There is prevalent racism. ^{[Source #1] [Source #2] [Source #3]}
3. There is no workers' control of the means of production.
4. There are social classes.

Communist? Not by 300 fucking light years is it!

Stalinist Communism is the best form of government.

Stalinism isn't communism.

I meant that Communists have the reverse effect, and actually create a government larger than one in a fascist state!