What is the Perfect Form of Government?

[The Grey Wolf]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Notice I didn't say that. I said, no income whatsoever. Which means you'll have to be living in a thatched hut or something. And even African villagers in the poorest parts of Uganda earn something like six rand a month.

It isn't nearly so hard not to have any sort of income. The average income in Uganda is $1,414, so I highly doubt the farmers in the poorest part of Uganda earn the equivalent of $36,000 per year.

Anyroad, all the other factors I described were actually those I observed in practise somewhere RL.

Sure they have, it still doesn't mean that anecdotes are somehow evidence.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Which issue of Life, or are you just admitting you don't have any evidence?

Sorry I ment reality and if you check most unemployed if not all voted for Obama (who gave them more money).

I checked. I couldn't find anything definitive. That's the great thing about anonymous ballots: you can't figure out who actually voted for whom, just what they say to pollsters.

So I checked that, and the best I could come up with was an article from the day of the election, which said:

In an election that was supposed to be about jobs, jobs and jobs, the unemployed vote appears to be a dead heat.

In an exclusive look at how the unemployed will likely vote, CNBC found 26% of the public report either they or someone in their household has lost a job in the past four years.

But this group splits 48% to 48% in their presidential choice, similar to the broader population, which splits 48% to 47% for President Obama.

If the respondent themself was unemployed, the break is 50% for Obama vs. 45% for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. If only a person in the household lost a job (not the individual respondent), the split is 51% for Romney vs. 48% for Obama.

...

Actual source: How the Unemployed Plan to Vote in Today's Election

So, a slight majority -- barely above typical polling margins of error -- is hardly "most unemployed if not all voted for Obama".

Factual claim: abort, retry, fail?

[Cameroi]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

and how would that be perfect? in any sense? even for yourself? what would keep you in power without being able to keep a bunch of bully boys your friends and supporters? and how long would your joy ride last if you couldn't?

[Kassaran]

Failed? More like sabotaged by Capitalist-Imperialistic "containment" at every single bloody turn.

The USSR wasn't sabatoged. Communism is an extremist ideology that just doesn't take basic human nature into account. It's a classical case of something that is beautiful in theory, but is broken in practice.

I think Socialism is a lot more of a viable option.

Agreed my friend... couldn't of been said better.

[The Nuclear Fist]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

I don't see how having to immediately resort to violence is even slightly perfect.

[Northwest Slobovia]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

But why, untermensch?

[Northwest Slobovia]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

You get world history.

[Cameroi]

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

You get world history.

true enough, but no more inevitable then for all of us to become perfectly considerate of each other either.

[Mikhailgrad]

A mix of all scandinavian governments.

[Lydenburg]

Notice I didn't say that. I said, no income whatsoever. Which means you'll have to be living in a thatched hut or something. And even African villagers in the poorest parts of Uganda earn something like six rand a month.

It isn't nearly so hard not to have any sort of income. The average income in Uganda is $1,414, so I highly doubt the farmers in the poorest part of Uganda earn the equivalent of $36,000 per year.

Anyroad, all the other factors I described were actually those I observed in practise somewhere RL.

Sure they have, it still doesn't mean that anecdotes are somehow evidence.

Dammit, I didn't mean to write month. The figures I recall reading for Uganda were an average income of about $1,500, $400, and $6 - $1,500 being the typical urban dweller and $6 being the poorest of the poorest rural ones.

[Cameroi]

one which is neither anarchic nor totalitarian, but with neither political parties nor heads of state.

there are no perfect forms in the poll, nor could there be in any poll.

[The Shia Califate]

Iran's theocratic democracy seems to make the most sense to me. It's stable, it's clean, and people are generally pretty happy with it.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Iran's theocratic democracy seems to make the most sense to me. It's stable, it's clean, and people are generally pretty happy with it.

Why not secularism? I mean, it doesn't start off alienating people of other (or no) religious beliefs and generally doesn't cause quite as bad a brain drain.

[Byzantium Imperial]

Iran's theocratic democracy seems to make the most sense to me. It's stable, it's clean, and people are generally pretty happy with it.

The no alcohol part is a bit of a turnoff to me personally. Also, no scantily clad women or bacon.

Whats the point of living without those things?

[The Grey Wolf]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

and how would that be perfect? in any sense? even for yourself? what would keep you in power without being able to keep a bunch of bully boys your friends and supporters? and how long would your joy ride last if you couldn't?

.... When did I say anything about me being in power?

[The Grey Wolf]

My ideal government would be Fascist, with one man, the Fuhrer/Duce/Caudillo at the top, and various officials, political and military, spiraling downwards. The Leader would be the middle man, in charge of electing individuals for offices, or failing that to hold elections.

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

I don't see how having to immediately resort to violence is even slightly perfect.

Well, you saw what they did to Mussolini? You get the idea of what we should do if he was incompetent.

[Byzantium Imperial]

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

I don't see how having to immediately resort to violence is even slightly perfect.

Well, you saw what they did to Mussolini? You get the idea of what we should do if he was incompetent.

Surrender to the allies?

[The Nuclear Fist]

So what happens if Dear Tinpot Dictator is a raving psychopath and/or incompetent?

I don't see how having to immediately resort to violence is even slightly perfect.

Well, you saw what they did to Mussolini? You get the idea of what we should do if he was incompetent.

. . .

That's your idea of perfection? Having to deal with glaringly incompetent and totalitarian leaders until enough people are angry and the circumstances just right to allow for violent regime change?

Why not just go with an election? It's quicker, it's easier, it's bloodless, and it's more efficient.

[The Grey Wolf]

Well, you saw what they did to Mussolini? You get the idea of what we should do if he was incompetent.

. . .

That's your idea of perfection? Having to deal with glaringly incompetent and totalitarian leaders until enough people are angry and the circumstances just right to allow for violent regime change?

Why not just go with an election? It's quicker, it's easier, it's bloodless, and it's more efficient.

I never said anything against elections. I just said that he should elect people to office. If he turned out to be a tyrant, who went against a constitution, then he should end up like Mussolini.

[Blasveck]

. . .

That's your idea of perfection? Having to deal with glaringly incompetent and totalitarian leaders until enough people are angry and the circumstances just right to allow for violent regime change?

Why not just go with an election? It's quicker, it's easier, it's bloodless, and it's more efficient.

I never said anything against elections. I just said that he should elect people to office. If he turned out to be a tyrant, who went against a constitution, then he should end up like Mussolini.

Why should "he" even exist in the first place?

[Cameroi]

perfection, in nearly all things, is a mythical beast. but i also believe, that we can always do better, then we ever previously have.

[Singletonia]

An absolute monarchy run by Jesus Christ

[Cameroi]

An absolute monarchy run by Jesus Christ

according to his personality cult apparently.

[The Nuclear Fist]

I never said anything against elections. I just said that he should elect people to office. If he turned out to be a tyrant, who went against a constitution, then he should end up like Mussolini.

So is this dictator elected? And how does he 'elect' people to office? Do others vote for them and he agrees, or does he appoint them. If it's the former, it's an undemocratic sham. If it's the latter, it's just him appointing ministers and the like.

And if he's a dictator, what's to stop him from rewriting the constitution. Who checks his power?

And why is violent regime change preferable to peaceful elections?