What is the Perfect Form of Government?

[Lydenburg]

Meritocracy.

Absolute democracy leads to mob rule, and anarchy.
Absolute oligarchy is dictatorship.
So, compromise.

[Shnercropolis]

Meritocracy.

Absolute democracy leads to mob rule, and anarchy.
Absolute oligarchy is dictatorship.
So, compromise.

Meritocracy is an abstract term that doesn't really define a type of government. I mean, if you have a meritocracy, then who judges merit? What is merit?

[The Tundra]

a government made up of docile technicolor ponies.

[Nuverikstan]

a government made up of docile technicolor ponies.

NO, NO PONIES!!!

[Lydenburg]

Meritocracy.

Absolute democracy leads to mob rule, and anarchy.
Absolute oligarchy is dictatorship.
So, compromise.

Meritocracy is an abstract term that doesn't really define a type of government. I mean, if you have a meritocracy, then who judges merit? What is merit?

Meritocracy for me has always indicated upholding certain standards of literacy, education, etc. Not "one man, one vote". There are still countries that believe irresponsible people who aren't upstanding citizens should be excluded from rolls. So if you're mentally unsound, hold allegiance to a foreign military, have no income whatsoever, or can't write at dictation ten words in the language you're out of luck. I agree with this in principle.

[The Tundra]

a government made up of docile technicolor ponies.

NO, NO PONIES!!!

to late

[The Nuclear Fist]

Meritocracy for me has always indicated upholding certain standards of literacy, education, etc. Not "one man, one vote". There are still countries that believe irresponsible people who aren't upstanding citizens should be excluded from rolls. So if you're mentally unsound, hold allegiance to a foreign military, have no income whatsoever, or can't write at dictation ten words in the language you're out of luck. I agree with this in principle.

So the unemployed shouldn't be able to vote?

I hope your hypothetical perfect government has a policy that's going to get every citizen of voting age a job, or at least ensure there are enough jobs to go around for everyone.

Otherwise you're just disenfranchising people because of the nature of the free market.

[Liberated Dixieland]

A Social Democratic Federal Democratic Liberal Republic.

[Nuverikstan]

Meritocracy for me has always indicated upholding certain standards of literacy, education, etc. Not "one man, one vote". There are still countries that believe irresponsible people who aren't upstanding citizens should be excluded from rolls. So if you're mentally unsound, hold allegiance to a foreign military, have no income whatsoever, or can't write at dictation ten words in the language you're out of luck. I agree with this in principle.

So the unemployed shouldn't be able to vote?

I hope your hypothetical perfect government has a policy that's going to get every citizen of voting age a job, or at least ensure there are enough jobs to go around for everyone.

Otherwise you're just disenfranchising people because of the nature of the free market.

Actually I think unemployed shouldn't vote. So if your right out of school and don't have a job you shouldn't vote. Unemployed always vote for people who will give them money so they shouldn't vote.

[Cameroi]

the "perfect" form of government, would be for absolutely everyone, to be so perfectly self disciplined, for there to be no other need for any to exist, then as a way for people to look after each other when they become sick or disabled.

this whole idea though, that greed can usefully take the place of the functionality of a government is nonsense.
that's just another excuse for the LACK of the level of self discipline that would be required.

and self discipline doesn't mean some kind of uniformly imitating each other either.

nor telling ourselves the same self deceptive beliefs.

[Constantinopia]

A Social Democratic Federal Democratic Liberal Republic.

^^This^^

[The Nuclear Fist]

Actually I think unemployed shouldn't vote. So if your right out of school and don't have a job you shouldn't vote. Unemployed always vote for people who will give them money so they shouldn't vote.

So you're going to create a massive group of second class citizens based solely on the fact that not everyone can be employed, a quirk of the market?

What a repugnant belief you hold.

And I'm definitely going to need a source for the underlined.

[Nuverikstan]

Actually I think unemployed shouldn't vote. So if your right out of school and don't have a job you shouldn't vote. Unemployed always vote for people who will give them money so they shouldn't vote.

So you're going to create a massive group of second class citizens based solely on the fact that not everyone can be employed, a quirk of the market?

What a repugnant belief you hold.

And I'm definitely going to need a source for the underlined.

A source LIFE.

[Jerusalemian]

A Government For the People by the People.

[Lydenburg]

Meritocracy for me has always indicated upholding certain standards of literacy, education, etc. Not "one man, one vote". There are still countries that believe irresponsible people who aren't upstanding citizens should be excluded from rolls. So if you're mentally unsound, hold allegiance to a foreign military, have no income whatsoever, or can't write at dictation ten words in the language you're out of luck. I agree with this in principle.

So the unemployed shouldn't be able to vote?

I hope your hypothetical perfect government has a policy that's going to get every citizen of voting age a job, or at least ensure there are enough jobs to go around for everyone.

Otherwise you're just disenfranchising people because of the nature of the free market.

Notice I didn't say that. I said, no income whatsoever. Which means you'll have to be living in a thatched hut or something. And even African villagers in the poorest parts of Uganda earn something like six rand a month.

Anyroad, all the other factors I described were actually those I observed in practise somewhere RL.

[Vazdania]

When I have looked at the perfect government, I have always imagined a nearly all-powerful monarch that has a set of Common Laws that he can only change one thing in his reign on. He would be elected by 10 Great Elector-Nobles who decide on who will be the next King. In addition to these limitations, the monarch only reigns for 20 years, but CAN be re-elected.

Polycameral Executive Monarchy.

[Cameroi]

a perfect form of government could not have a head of state. in any sense of the word.

[The Nuclear Fist]

So you're going to create a massive group of second class citizens based solely on the fact that not everyone can be employed, a quirk of the market?

What a repugnant belief you hold.

And I'm definitely going to need a source for the underlined.

A source LIFE.

Which issue of Life, or are you just admitting you don't have any evidence?

[Northwest Slobovia]

There is no perfect form of government; it's simply a matter of which advantages one prefers and which disadvanges one doesn't care too much about.

[Shnercropolis]

Meritocracy is an abstract term that doesn't really define a type of government. I mean, if you have a meritocracy, then who judges merit? What is merit?

Meritocracy for me has always indicated upholding certain standards of literacy, education, etc. Not "one man, one vote". There are still countries that believe irresponsible people who aren't upstanding citizens should be excluded from rolls. So if you're mentally unsound, hold allegiance to a foreign military, have no income whatsoever, or can't write at dictation ten words in the language you're out of luck. I agree with this in principle.

There ya go!

[Timothia]

If it's created by humans, it's never perfect.

Unfortunately, this ^

[Nuverikstan]

A source LIFE.

Which issue of Life, or are you just admitting you don't have any evidence?

Sorry I ment reality and if you check most unemployed if not all voted for Obama (who gave them more money).

[The Godly Nations]

Which issue of Life, or are you just admitting you don't have any evidence?

Sorry I ment reality and if you check most unemployed if not all voted for Obama (who gave them more money).

Yes, those banker folks he bailed out were all not currently engaged in useful employment, therefore, because of their unemployed status, he gave them millions of dollars.

[Mewtinigrad]

a government made up of docile technicolor ponies.

Give this man a medal

[Mbone]

Anarchy.