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What is the Best Realistic Form of Government?

Absolute Monarchy
21
5%
Constitutional Monarchy
32
8%
Ogliarchy
5
1%
Fascist State
34
9%
Right-Wing Democracy
47
12%
Moderate Democracy
67
17%
Left-Wing Democracy
68
17%
Socialism
40
10%
Communism
44
11%
Anarchy
42
11%
 
Total votes : 400

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Dangelia
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Postby Dangelia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:50 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Dangelia wrote:Parties in general are bad. Washington was right in calling them factions.


Agreed.

The Scientific States wrote:
That's not democracy if you have to be a socialist.

Not to mention, a socialist constitution would be tough. Politicians could work around that, and you could always amend it.


If it's a clear and strict constitution then it could work. The mainly problem is the majority. If the majority are in favor of socialism, it will be quite easy to achieve and keep.

True, but the majority doesn't pose that much of a problem. You just have to convince the majority that you're not doing what Stalin did. Because that's a big thing that drives people away from Socialism.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:58 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Agreed.



If it's a clear and strict constitution then it could work. The mainly problem is the majority. If the majority are in favor of socialism, it will be quite easy to achieve and keep.

True, but the majority doesn't pose that much of a problem. You just have to convince the majority that you're not doing what Stalin did. Because that's a big thing that drives people away from Socialism.


Yeah, it seems that most people will reject almost any ideology if it is or has even been remotely related to Communism or Fascism/Nazis. I mean for god sakes, I've seen people who think I want to bring on the USSR 2.0
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Dangelia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:01 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Dangelia wrote:True, but the majority doesn't pose that much of a problem. You just have to convince the majority that you're not doing what Stalin did. Because that's a big thing that drives people away from Socialism.


Yeah, it seems that most people will reject almost any ideology if it is or has even been remotely related to Communism or Fascism/Nazis. I mean for god sakes, I've seen people who think I want to bring on the USSR 2.0

You know how in countries with a history of communism such as a Russia, China, North Korea, Albania, Romania, etc. they march differently than Americans. Well I was marching that way in class one day holding the Albanian flag (I live in America btw) and my advisor said that you shouldn't do that as it's very Communist/Nazist. And that the word 'fatherland' is also a big no no. My God! Americans are the greatest wusses I've ever met.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:07 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Yeah, it seems that most people will reject almost any ideology if it is or has even been remotely related to Communism or Fascism/Nazis. I mean for god sakes, I've seen people who think I want to bring on the USSR 2.0

You know how in countries with a history of communism such as a Russia, China, North Korea, Albania, Romania, etc. they march differently than Americans. Well I was marching that way in class one day holding the Albanian flag (I live in America btw) and my advisor said that you shouldn't do that as it's very Communist/Nazist. And that the word 'fatherland' is also a big no no. My God! Americans are the greatest wusses I've ever met.


Yeah, America in General seems to be extremely anti-Communist and Anti-Socialist.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Dangelia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:14 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Dangelia wrote:You know how in countries with a history of communism such as a Russia, China, North Korea, Albania, Romania, etc. they march differently than Americans. Well I was marching that way in class one day holding the Albanian flag (I live in America btw) and my advisor said that you shouldn't do that as it's very Communist/Nazist. And that the word 'fatherland' is also a big no no. My God! Americans are the greatest wusses I've ever met.


Yeah, America in General seems to be extremely anti-Communist and Anti-Socialist.

America in General is everything anti-American. From Monarchism to Socialism to the French.

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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:13 pm

Bredtonia wrote:Benevolent Dictatorship, at least in theory. The fewer people involved in the government, the more efficent it is, and therefore better so long as it remains compleatly repersentitive of the people and their benefits. It's not a real governemt, but a a theoretical best.

A small coucil rule, then. A monocracy will always be susceptible to a sudden stupid decision of the ruler, so even a benevolent dictatorship is a bad idea.
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Postby United Republics of Aralon » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:15 pm

Dainer wrote:If I knew the perfect form of government, NationStates would be faaaaar down in my list of priorities to talk about it. In fact, revealing knowledge that makes all political science obsolete in a forum dedicated to political role-playing games would be highly counter-productive.

Do elaborate . This would be as good place as any if not better.
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Postby Red Team » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:02 pm

Why is Confederation not a survey option?
You just got Sarged.


P.S. I'm not a Communist. It's not that kind of Red.

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Postby Belique » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:35 pm

Red Team wrote:Why is Confederation not a survey option?


Because I could only enter in 10, and I forgot about it.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:48 pm

My idea of a perfect government is a Libertarian Fascist State. It is a war like outlook on Libertarianism. Hope you agree it is a new political movement I am trying to put through.
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Postby The Godly Nations » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:50 pm

The perfect government is a government of an absolute monarch well served by the best qualified, without interference from the ignorant masses.

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Postby Norcroft » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:51 pm

the one that constantly adapts.
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Postby Red Team » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:29 pm

Belique wrote:
Red Team wrote:Why is Confederation not a survey option?


Because I could only enter in 10, and I forgot about it.


Awwww... :(
You just got Sarged.


P.S. I'm not a Communist. It's not that kind of Red.

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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:50 pm

Nuverikstan wrote:My idea of a perfect government is a Libertarian Fascist State. It is a war like outlook on Libertarianism. Hope you agree it is a new political movement I am trying to put through.


Libertarian Fascism is quite a contradictory ideology, isn't it?

Norcroft wrote:the one that constantly adapts.


That's... actually a really clever and true answer. *gives a cookie*
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Nuverikstan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:53 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:My idea of a perfect government is a Libertarian Fascist State. It is a war like outlook on Libertarianism. Hope you agree it is a new political movement I am trying to put through.


Libertarian Fascism is quite a contradictory ideology, isn't it?

Norcroft wrote:the one that constantly adapts.


That's... actually a really clever and true answer. *gives a cookie*


You can say it is contradictory but it is the best explanation of it so I kept it. Sorry if you can't put them together but Small Government Fascism doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Postby Radecstein » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:57 pm

Successful governance is dependent on 3 factors: economic, political and social.

The economy of the country can be more or less measured by the GDP, inflation rate and unemployment rate. The GDP can be measured by the following formula:
GDP = G + C + i + (E - I), where G is Govt. Spending, C is Consumption (Public Spending), i is Foreign Investment, E is Export and I is Import. A government capable of creating a great economical atmosphere will generally have high GDP by increasing G, C, i and E, and reduce I. This is evident in the "open communist" style of governance in modern China. At the same time, inflation and unemployment should be cut. This is addressed by the economic facet of Fascism, which aim to empower the working class and enforce employment, generally of the military industry, while this may not be necessarily the case.

Politically, good leadership is key to good governance. Unfortunately, this is one of the loopholes of democracies, as the people may be fooled by populist promises which never happens. Thus, opinionwise, power of the government should be entrusted to a select few who will work towards of the nation. This may take place in the form of Fascism, one party states or one party dominated democracies. This political homogeneity ensures a strong leadership over the longest period of time. For example in Singapore, the People's Action Party have held majority votes for 48 years, and have promised excellent governance and ensured prosperity in the nation.

On the social side, strong assertion on the law crime prevention, often at the expense of personal freedom, must be enforced, but offers sufficient civil rights on the part of the society. In addition, social security and welfare should not be a mainstream social policy, and self reliance should be encouraged. This ensures that the economy will not be over stretched and abused by the society.

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Postby Pridnestrovie Transnistria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:59 pm

Communism.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:00 pm

Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:Communism.


Please elaborate.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Pridnestrovie Transnistria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:03 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:Communism.


Please elaborate.


Green Book Communism.
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Postby Largistan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:03 pm

I think a centrist government is best for everyone. While I am personally centre-left, it's only because of the current situation. Assuming everything goes according to plan, I choose centrism. But because it most likely won't, I have to go with leftism.

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Postby Belique » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:17 pm

Largistan wrote:I think a centrist government is best for everyone. While I am personally centre-left, it's only because of the current situation. Assuming everything goes according to plan, I choose centrism. But because it most likely won't, I have to go with leftism.

I believe that even if you were in a bad spot, you should vote right, as it benefits your country, not an individual person.
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Postby Belique » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:17 pm

Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Please elaborate.


Green Book Communism.


gross
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Postby Nuverikstan » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:19 pm

Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Please elaborate.


Green Book Communism.


Why is communism the most perfect government? As you see it has failed every time. No man is perfect so it just turns into Russia.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:28 pm

Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Please elaborate.


Green Book Communism.


What? How is Communism, a system that has failed time to time again, considered evil by meany, and goes against back human nature good?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Pridnestrovie Transnistria » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:29 pm

Belique wrote:
Pridnestrovie Transnistria wrote:
Green Book Communism.


gross


You probably have not read the Green Book then.
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