Organic vs. Conventional

[Luxew]

At our school lately, our class had a debate of organic vs. conventional (this was later organic vs. local), and as we move on to a new subject in our Communications class, I was left indifferent. I want to eat organic, but I would have to surrender so many foods and have a sustainable cash flow (which I don't have). We read a 2007 Times Magazine article called Eating Better Than Organic where the author decided he would go for the locally grown, conventional one. We also read Michael Pollan's An Omnivore's Dilemma and Bryan Walsh's article on how we should all eat organic. So, I wanted to see what you prefer, and what I should do.

[United Marxist Nations]

At our school lately, our class had a debate of organic vs. conventional (this was later organic vs. local), and as we move on to a new subject in our Communications class, I was left indifferent. I want to eat organic, but I would have to surrender so many foods and have a sustainable cash flow (which I don't have). We read a 2007 Times Magazine article called Eating Better Than Organic where the author decided he would go for the locally grown, conventional one. We also read Michael Pollan's An Omnivore's Dilemma and Bryan Walsh's article on how we should all eat organic. So, I wanted to see what you prefer, and what I should do.

Organic foods are often deficient compared to GMOs.

[Bezombia]

You really should specify that you're talking about food before you start explaining.

[The Tundra]

Organic all day every day.

mostly for religious reasons, but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have. my protip to eating organic: learn to cook. cooking will save you money, and you can make the best god damn dishes you want. plus, it will get you laided easier if you cook food for the girl you want. (wouldn't suggest it for women hoping to seduce guys, it will make him feel entitled.)

i have a smoker, a gas powered stove, and i get all my meats from local farmers who slaughter them day of for best freshness. you have not lived until you've had a stake so tender and flavorful it just melts in your mouth. you won't ever want to go back.

[Luxew]

You really should specify that you're talking about food before you start explaining.

I'm sorry (I am very apologetic).
I'm talking about all types of agriculture, like ranchers, farmers, etc.

[Alancar]

Organic foods are often deficient compared to GMOs.

Aren't organic foods, foods produced without chemical pesticides?

I think technically GMOs can be considered organic, though generally they are not.

[Uieurnthlaal]

At our school lately, our class had a debate of organic vs. conventional (this was later organic vs. local), and as we move on to a new subject in our Communications class, I was left indifferent. I want to eat organic, but I would have to surrender so many foods and have a sustainable cash flow (which I don't have). We read a 2007 Times Magazine article called Eating Better Than Organic where the author decided he would go for the locally grown, conventional one. We also read Michael Pollan's An Omnivore's Dilemma and Bryan Walsh's article on how we should all eat organic. So, I wanted to see what you prefer, and what I should do.

Organic foods are often deficient compared to GMOs.

Deficient in what? Deficient in CRY 3A Bt toxin, yes.

[Alancar]

but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have.

I think you are a little confused. The question is between organic produce and conventional. Organic produce being produce made without chemical additives such as pesticides or hormones.

What you are talking about is between pre-packaged processed food and regular food.

[Luxew]

Organic all day every day.

mostly for religious reasons, but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have. my protip to eating organic: learn to cook. cooking will save you money, and you can make the best god damn dishes you want. plus, it will get you laided easier if you cook food for the girl you want. (wouldn't suggest it for women hoping to seduce guys, it will make him feel entitled.)

i have a smoker, a gas powered stove, and i get all my meats from local farmers who slaughter them day of for best freshness. you have not lived until you've had a stake so tender and flavorful it just melts in your mouth. you won't ever want to go back.

I really thought that I was going pro-organic until I read the last article! It sounds so different after reading John Cloud's opinion. He says he would rather go for the local (but conventional) apple grown his home state of New York, other than the organic one grown in California. He also does the CSA (Community Supported Agriculture), where the grow conventional. He also said "... local farming feels like I can connect with my food". And I do like what you said it does. But what is your stance on the locality of your food?

[Bezombia]

You really should specify that you're talking about food before you start explaining.

I'm sorry (I am very apologetic).
I'm talking about all types of agriculture, like ranchers, farmers, etc.

I thought you were talking about bombs.

[Luxew]

but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have.

I think you are a little confused. The question is between organic produce and conventional. Organic produce being produce made without chemical additives such as pesticides or hormones.

What you are talking about is between pre-packaged processed food and regular food.

Thank you for reminding me but I know remember a line from Eating Better Than Organic: that scientists don't know what makes organic healthy, but they know it is healthy.

[United Marxist Nations]

Organic foods are often deficient compared to GMOs.

Deficient in what? Deficient in CRY 3A Bt toxin, yes.

No study has ever found GMO's to be toxic to people; they provide better yields, and are thus able to feed more people than organic foods ever could hope to.

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I myself really like Organic foods, every since I cut GMO foods out of my diet I am a lot healthier and have lost many pounds. Now mind you I am not your usual Organic food guy either, I am a strong Conservative so I am not just preaching Organic food because it fits my political agenda; I do actually like Organic foods better.

[The Tundra]

but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have.

I think you are a little confused. The question is between organic produce and conventional. Organic produce being produce made without chemical additives such as pesticides or hormones.

What you are talking about is between pre-packaged processed food and regular food.

i am retarded then

Conventional all the way, its just part of our growing as a civilisation.

[Shaggai]

I think you are a little confused. The question is between organic produce and conventional. Organic produce being produce made without chemical additives such as pesticides or hormones.

What you are talking about is between pre-packaged processed food and regular food.

Thank you for reminding me but I know remember a line from Eating Better Than Organic: that scientists don't know what makes organic healthy, but they know it is healthy.

Really? If you have a copy handy, could you find what he's citing for that? Because there are definitely problems with organic.

Organic foods are often deficient compared to GMOs.

Aren't organic foods, foods produced without chemical pesticides?

I think technically GMOs can be considered organic, though generally they are not.

Unfortunately not.

[Shaggai]

I myself really like Organic foods, every since I cut GMO foods out of my diet I am a lot healthier and have lost many pounds. Now mind you I am not your usual Organic food guy either, I am a strong Conservative so I am not just preaching Organic food because it fits my political agenda; I do actually like Organic foods better.

I think you may be confusing correlation with causation. What other dietary changes did you make besides not eating GMOs? Did you eat exactly the same sorts of foods, just without GMOs? Because otherwise it was likely other factors which changed your health status.

[Nedial]

They grew organic in the middle ages. Tons of people starved.

[Uieurnthlaal]

Deficient in what? Deficient in CRY 3A Bt toxin, yes.

No study has ever found GMO's to be toxic to people; they provide better yields, and are thus able to feed more people than organic foods ever could hope to.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... fied-crops
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10. ... 013.806408

You'd be surprised.

[The Tundra]

Organic all day every day.

mostly for religious reasons, but because organic foods have alot of vitamins, minerals, proteins and many other things that normally extremely processed foods just don't think to have. my protip to eating organic: learn to cook. cooking will save you money, and you can make the best god damn dishes you want. plus, it will get you laided easier if you cook food for the girl you want. (wouldn't suggest it for women hoping to seduce guys, it will make him feel entitled.)

i have a smoker, a gas powered stove, and i get all my meats from local farmers who slaughter them day of for best freshness. you have not lived until you've had a stake so tender and flavorful it just melts in your mouth. you won't ever want to go back.

I really thought that I was going pro-organic until I read the last article! It sounds so different after reading John Cloud's opinion. He says he would rather go for the local (but conventional) apple grown his home state of New York, other than the organic one grown in California. He also does the CSA (Community Supported Agriculture), where the grow conventional. He also said "... local farming feels like I can connect with my food". And I do like what you said it does. But what is your stance on the locality of your food?

only local foods are on my table for religious and personal reasons. for one, i know exactly what is in my foods, and for two, i get them cheap cheap cheap. i live in a pretty big farming community on the east coast, so Shellfish, Meat, and vegies are all dirt cheap.

[Uieurnthlaal]

They grew organic in the middle ages. Tons of people starved.

I myself really like Organic foods, every since I cut GMO foods out of my diet I am a lot healthier and have lost many pounds. Now mind you I am not your usual Organic food guy either, I am a strong Conservative so I am not just preaching Organic food because it fits my political agenda; I do actually like Organic foods better.

What do these two quotes have in common? They both demonstrate that their authors are unaware of the correlation-causation fallacy.

[Luxew]

Thank you for reminding me but I know remember a line from Eating Better Than Organic: that scientists don't know what makes organic healthy, but they know it is healthy.

Really? If you have a copy handy, could you find what he's citing for that? Because there are definitely problems with organic.

Aren't organic foods, foods produced without chemical pesticides?

I think technically GMOs can be considered organic, though generally they are not.

Unfortunately not.

I couldn't find it, but here's a line from it:
"In a paper published in October in the Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry, a team from the University of California, Davis, demonstrates that organically grown tomatoes have significantly more vitamin C than conventional tomatoes. Even so, the same study shows
no significant differences between conventional and organic bell peppers."

So not all organic foods are healthier.

[Nedial]

They grew organic in the middle ages. Tons of people starved.

I myself really like Organic foods, every since I cut GMO foods out of my diet I am a lot healthier and have lost many pounds. Now mind you I am not your usual Organic food guy either, I am a strong Conservative so I am not just preaching Organic food because it fits my political agenda; I do actually like Organic foods better.

What do these two quotes have in common? They both demonstrate that their authors are unaware of the correlation-causation fallacy.

How else would they starve?

[Holy Empire of Avalon]

I myself really like Organic foods, every since I cut GMO foods out of my diet I am a lot healthier and have lost many pounds. Now mind you I am not your usual Organic food guy either, I am a strong Conservative so I am not just preaching Organic food because it fits my political agenda; I do actually like Organic foods better.

I think you may be confusing correlation with causation. What other dietary changes did you make besides not eating GMOs? Did you eat exactly the same sorts of foods, just without GMOs? Because otherwise it was likely other factors which changed your health status.

Yeah same foods just GMO free, I still eat chips and all too they are just GMO free now. The weight I dropped was about the ten extra pounds of fat I had on my sides to clarify. Not saying everyone should be forced or brainwashed into eating Organic food, because after all this is America land of freedom, but I do know the results for me have been good; so I support the Organic side.

[Pandeeria]

When it comes to health benefits and environmental stuff: Organic > Conventional

When it comes to the economy, price, and efficiency: Conventional > Organic

[Shaggai]

I think you may be confusing correlation with causation. What other dietary changes did you make besides not eating GMOs? Did you eat exactly the same sorts of foods, just without GMOs? Because otherwise it was likely other factors which changed your health status.

Yeah same foods just GMO free, I still eat chips and all too they are just GMO free now. The weight I dropped was about the ten extra pounds of fat I had on my sides to clarify. Not saying everyone should be forced or brainwashed into eating Organic food, because after all this is America land of freedom, but I do know the results for me have been good; so I support the Organic side.

Interesting. Did you make any other lifestyle changes around then?