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Any major ideologies you agree with?

Capitalism
165
32%
Communisim
68
13%
Fascisim
49
9%
Socialism
152
29%
Valkisim
11
2%
Imperialism
34
7%
Social Conservatism
41
8%
 
Total votes : 520

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ShadowDragons
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Postby ShadowDragons » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:00 pm

I am a minarchist. :lol:
I am a Nationalist, Minarchist, Libertarian, and Conservative
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Economic Left/Right 5.8
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -5.37
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For: free market capitalism, liberty, minarchism, civic nationalism, a strong military, gun rights, economic liberalism, state rights, Israel, Zionism, soft drug legalization, smart welfare, and lgbt rights
Middle: Abortion
Against: communism, socialism, fascism, totalitarianism, corporate welfare, non-interventionism, regulation, and handouts
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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:00 pm

Chad Empire wrote:
Conscentia wrote:I'm asking for evidence that supports thy conclusions.
If you simply made it up, then it's nothing but worthless nonsense.

Of course everything I say is nonsense, just as everything you say is nonsense, no one can prove or disprove any opinion at all, even if you pull up a so-called 'source' what's to say they don't make it up? Lets just all assume we all know what we're talking about.

I am a nihilist, sir. Nihilists don't bother with nonsense.

This has nothing to do with opinion. Either crowds are easily swayed or not. You say that they are, so provide evidence.

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Masophia
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Founded: Oct 27, 2013
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Postby Masophia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:01 pm

Chad Empire wrote:
Masophia wrote:
No, not really.


Do you disagree with the concept of everyone is entitled to their opinion?


No, not at all. I disagree with that being a legitimate way to end a debate. Either continue, or acquiesce.
“Libertas, Æqualitas, Fraternitas”

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Masophia
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Postby Masophia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:02 pm

Conscentia wrote:I am a nihilist, sir. Nihilists don't bother with nonsense.


Oh, man, great quote.
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Masophia
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Postby Masophia » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:04 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Masophia wrote:Oh, man, great quote.

Thank-you.


You're welcome.
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Quirina
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Postby Quirina » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:51 pm

A rare specie - Centrist.
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German-Spanish Empire
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Postby German-Spanish Empire » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:54 pm

Imperialist

/Threat

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The Godly Nations
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Postby The Godly Nations » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:39 pm

Quirina wrote:A rare specie - Centrist.


That is to say, I have no firm beliefs at all.

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Baltic Finland
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Founded: Nov 01, 2013
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:39 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Baltic Finland wrote:So democracy is bad, because you cannot be above anyone else? Glad to know.

Companies are not governments. What works for a government won't work for a company, and vice-versa.

Why not? Why should companies be allowed to be dictatorial upon their employees if a government's totalitarianism and trampling on rights and freedoms is unacceptable. If you would just cut it with the Randian delusions that complete self-suffience from the state is what makes you a noble free man and everything going for and coming from the state is evil, unfree and immoral, I would actually take you for granted. Until then, have a good day sir.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

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Baltic Finland
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:46 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Baltic Finland wrote:Except companies, apparently. Nice double standard.


See my edit. CEO of a corporation is a contract, not a right.

A contract between who? Who decides the next CEO for a company? The previous one, not those who have the right to decide but are effectively denied it. Employees aren't bound to a contract like that since they aren't even one of the sides of that contract. Besides, a contract cannot violate human rights.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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Baltic Finland
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:52 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Companies exist to provide a service. They are viable because they make money. Governments provide many services, such as law. Governments ensure their viability through taxation.

If an institution fails to provide a service, but demands payment anyway, then it's nothing more than a parasite sucking wealth out of people's pockets, and it has no business existing.

I do hope that was an unintentional pun.

But, no one enters business to provide service. They do it to make money. People enter government to provide public service.

Private lawyers provide a service to the accused. Private doctors provide a service to the sick. Private security provides watching over areas, which is a service. Private soldiers provide a service to national defense. Every private company provides services to get money.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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Baltic Finland
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Founded: Nov 01, 2013
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:57 am

Chad Empire wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Then thy world view is disgusting.


Said the pawn to the player.

But I digress, declaring my view disgusting is a little rich, views can be debated, my guess is that there are those out their that would think the same of your views.

How do you know you're the player? What if you're a pawn? Think about it.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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Baltic Finland
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Founded: Nov 01, 2013
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:02 am

Transoxthraxia wrote:Peace Through Power. The people have their rights, excepting immigration and democratic rights. The government touches nothing but the military and immigration policies.

Of course, because people coming to your country need to do more than just speak your language fluently and obey your laws.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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Baltic Finland
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:05 am

Chad Empire wrote:
Conscentia wrote:A display of arrogance will only attract moderators...




I would like to point out that I at least somewhat created a custom ideology and you have not.

You asked for feedback and if there were room for improvement and got it, so deal with it please.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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The First Moffinate Imperium
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Founded: Nov 01, 2013
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Postby The First Moffinate Imperium » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:06 am

Baltic Finland wrote:
Transoxthraxia wrote:Peace Through Power. The people have their rights, excepting immigration and democratic rights. The government touches nothing but the military and immigration policies.

Of course, because people coming to your country need to do more than just speak your language fluently and obey your laws.


Social Democracy, But then America worships Almighty Dollar, and they certainly would not want to piss off their True God by considering it, Their Mammon worshippers.

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Baltic Finland
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Postby Baltic Finland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:15 am

The First Moffinate Imperium wrote:
Baltic Finland wrote:Of course, because people coming to your country need to do more than just speak your language fluently and obey your laws.


Social Democracy, But then America worships Almighty Dollar, and they certainly would not want to piss off their True God by considering it, Their Mammon worshippers.

Are you somehow responding to my post or are you just siding with it?

By the way, sorry for the wall of posts everyone, had to get my sleep since it was already four in the morning.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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Greater Eurasian Union
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Postby Greater Eurasian Union » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:19 am

Economically - Im A Progressive Socialist i believe , the industries and production line of a state should solely benefit it and not some foreign body which feasts upon it's rich produce , plus Welfare should be on a large scale - everyone should be able to live in ease and everyone should be made to work , no beggars homeless or unemployed - but that doesn't you go all radical and depose the rich and industrialists altogether rather you should breed them in state control and the state should strongly regulate industries and privatism.

Politically - Authorotarian/Semi Authorotarian I believe in Social " Democracy With Discipline " - people should select representatives , who are trained and politically educated - qualified for the position of being in the government and these highly professional people should be the ones who decide who should lead the country and who should not. A Socialist Party should be in absolute power ultimately it should make cabinets and advisories - for religions for workers and so on - a government that is balanced and pro people , not pro treasury.

Culturally - I'm a Phillistine , I have no regard for culture and believe in ideological distinction between people rather than judgements on race colour and language people should be distinguished on who's left wing and who's right wing , the left wing should be supported and bred and the right wing should be completely abolished - one should not be proud on his nationality or culture - culture which is simply represented by stupid articles of clothing and such - These are modern times and we must progress beyond the lines of distinction.

To sum it up , my ideology is Progressive Reformative Socialism - learn from the mistakes , the short comings and the wrongs of socialism and communism pick up all the positive areas - and forge an ideology which is socialist in nature , economically and strategically communist and completely adaptable -

It should not have to suppress civil rights such as religion , choice etc. but it should also regulate what is available to the people - i.e. use of censorship and approval. The People are stupid they are like children they can be inspired by radicality and can give vague judgements due to a few events they can be fooled and moulded therefore giving them political rights is like giving car keys to a crazed 6 year old .. - People in the government should be educated for the job they should be realistic analytical and knowing of what steps they are to take to ensure the success and progress of the country as a whole - they should also have only slightly high wages and should not be allowed to own private enterprises or anything of the sort - these in turn should be monitored by Secret Police Officials - who are even more professional in their field of work.

Ultimately if you have an intelligent realistic and focused government , the state itself will evolve into something beautiful -

So In Essence Reformative Progressive Socialism is Communism/Marxism without civil rights supression , utopianism and robustness - but it like them is Authorotarian , Equality biased , Anti Right Wing and Sentient to the working man. Adaptability , Equality , Progression and ultimate conquest.
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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:54 am

Libertarian Socialism. Yup, I'm being very original.
Economic Left/Right: -7
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 9.13
Libertarian: 2.62
Non-interventionalist: 7.34
Cultural liberal: 9.12
I am a Trotskyist.
Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

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Tsmida Eri
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Postby Tsmida Eri » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:09 am

German-Spanish Empire wrote:Imperialist

/Threat


How does that end the thread?
I am a devout Christian, a Fascist, a Conservative, and a Patriotic American. Get over it.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:11 am

Tsmida Eri wrote:
German-Spanish Empire wrote:Imperialist

/Threat


How does that end the thread?


They weren't ending the thread. It was a threat.

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Tsmida Eri
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Postby Tsmida Eri » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:12 am

Luveria wrote:
Tsmida Eri wrote:
How does that end the thread?


They weren't ending the thread. It was a threat.


Wow. That was so funny. My sides are bursting. No, seriously. Too good. :roll:
I am a devout Christian, a Fascist, a Conservative, and a Patriotic American. Get over it.
Fascism, Autocracy, Absolute Monarchy, Authoritarianism, State Capitalism, Plutocracy, Christian Theocracy, Cultural Conservatism, Totalitarianism, Zionism, Ecumenism, Greater Israel, Greater Armenia, Megali Idea, Christofascism, Controlled Immigration, Christian Fundamentalism, Enosis, Greater Serbia, Corporatism
Liberalism, Libertarianism, Communism, Socialism, Nazism, Ottomanism, Radical Islam, Anti-Semitism, Homosexuality, Transsexualism, Conspiracy Theories, Democracy, Racism, Palestine, Constitutional Monarchy, Radicalism, Ethnic Nationalism, Militant Atheism, Bisexuality, Prostitution, Minarchy, Anarchy, Christophobia, Sharia Law

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Kronstad
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Postby Kronstad » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:16 am

Conscentia wrote: Either crowds are easily swayed or not. You say that they are, so provide evidence.

“Tell people there’s an invisible man in the sky who created the universe, and the vast majority believe you. Tell them the paint is wet, and they have to touch it to be sure.” -George Carlin

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Kronstad
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Postby Kronstad » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:17 am

Greater Eurasian Union wrote:Ultimately if you have an intelligent realistic and focused government , the state itself will evolve into something beautiful.

It's perfectly true, but they don't generally exist.

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