What's your ideology?

[Conscentia]

You say people are too flawed to govern, and then give a small group of people all the power. Why?!

These are not average people, they earned their positions, besides when I say 'people' I mean large groups of them, presumably voting in a democratic way.

Earned them how?

[Chad Empire]

These are not average people, they earned their positions, besides when I say 'people' I mean large groups of them, presumably voting in a democratic way.

Earned them how?

In diffrent ways, working through the ranks, serving in the military, take your pick.

[Blasveck]

1) So then your entire model of a perfect state falls apart!

2) Why on earth do you think that that would be preferable to a republic?

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.

You're sounding increasingly fascistic by the minute, son.

Next you'll be telling me intellectualism is a bad thing.

[Conscentia]

Thy "custom ideology" is nothing more than a rehash of pre-existing ideas. You've created nothing.

*Thine

That's simply not correct.
Thine corresponds to mine.
'Mine custom ideology' makes no sense unless you spell it "mein".

[Blasveck]

Earned them how?

In diffrent ways, working through the ranks, serving in the military, take your pick.

Incredibly arbitrary and subjective, ultimately.

[Conscentia]

Earned them how?

In diffrent ways, working through the ranks, serving in the military, take your pick.

I pick popular elections.

[Conscentia]

In diffrent ways, working through the ranks, serving in the military, take your pick.

Incredibly arbitrary and subjective, ultimately.

Indeed.

[Chad Empire]

In diffrent ways, working through the ranks, serving in the military, take your pick.

I pick popular elections.

But the swaying

[Conscentia]

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.

You're sounding increasingly stalinistic by the minute, son.

Next you'll be telling me intellectualism is a bad thing.

*fixed*

[Conscentia]

I pick popular elections.

But the swaying

What?

[Chad Empire]

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.

You're sounding increasingly fascistic by the minute, son.

Next you'll be telling me intellectualism is a bad thing.

Well if you read the post about my ideology, it says it 'Borrows ideas from Fascisim"

[Blasveck]

I pick popular elections.

But the swaying

And, somehow, these leaders of yours will be immune to swaying?

[Masophia]

1) So then your entire model of a perfect state falls apart!

2) Why on earth do you think that that would be preferable to a republic?

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.

The flaws in republican democracy you've pointed out here are mostly legitimate, but you've incorrectly identified the root problem. You look at the flaws of democracy and say 'people are awful and need strong leaders to prevent them fucking up'. I look at the flaws in, say, the US (my own country) and her gov't and say 'if we had a more just society then leaders would be chosen from among the most skilled, and not from among the economic elites'. By this I mean to say: an extensive welfare state, social safety net, and abundant educational opportunities take politics from being a rich man's game to being truly democratic. That is why I am not only a supporter of Republican Democracy, but also a social-democratic economic system.

[Chad Empire]

But the swaying

What?

The swaying of the masses, with a good pitch a crowd can be swayed to one side of the argument to another very easily, I would not trust the future governing of a country to the guy who's the better public speaker.

[Conscentia]

What?

The swaying of the masses, with a good pitch a crowd can be swayed to one side of the argument to another very easily, I would not trust the future governing of a country to the guy who's the better public speaker.

Source?

Bad leaders may be recalled from power.

[Blasveck]

You're sounding increasingly stalinistic by the minute, son.

Next you'll be telling me intellectualism is a bad thing.

*fixed*

Eh.

I've met plenty a fascist that love to claim that the "Masses are X"

[Chad Empire]

But the swaying

And, somehow, these leaders of yours will be immune to swaying?

Technically speaking they are emotionless and cold, however I realize this has no real life applications.

[Conscentia]

*fixed*

Eh.

I've met plenty a fascist that love to claim that the "Masses are X"

He supports central planning in OP, and quotes Stalin in his signature.

[Chad Empire]

The swaying of the masses, with a good pitch a crowd can be swayed to one side of the argument to another very easily, I would not trust the future governing of a country to the guy who's the better public speaker.

Source?

Bad leaders may be recalled from power.

Why do you keep asking me for a source? Everything I say is my beliefs.

[Conscentia]

And, somehow, these leaders of yours will be immune to swaying?

Technically speaking they are emotionless and cold, however I realize this has no real life applications.

The unsympathetic make terrible leaders.

[Chad Empire]

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.

The flaws in republican democracy you've pointed out here are mostly legitimate, but you've incorrectly identified the root problem. You look at the flaws of democracy and say 'people are awful and need strong leaders to prevent them fucking up'. I look at the flaws in, say, the US (my own country) and her gov't and say 'if we had a more just society then leaders would be chosen from among the most skilled, and not from among the economic elites'. By this I mean to say: an extensive welfare state, social safety net, and abundant educational opportunities take politics from being a rich man's game to being truly democratic. That is why I am not only a supporter of Republican Democracy, but also a social-democratic economic system.

To each their own.

[Conscentia]

Source?

Bad leaders may be recalled from power.

Why do you keep asking me for a source? Everything I say is my beliefs.

I'm asking for evidence that supports thy conclusions.
If you simply made it up, then it's nothing but worthless nonsense.

[Masophia]

The flaws in republican democracy you've pointed out here are mostly legitimate, but you've incorrectly identified the root problem. You look at the flaws of democracy and say 'people are awful and need strong leaders to prevent them fucking up'. I look at the flaws in, say, the US (my own country) and her gov't and say 'if we had a more just society then leaders would be chosen from among the most skilled, and not from among the economic elites'. By this I mean to say: an extensive welfare state, social safety net, and abundant educational opportunities take politics from being a rich man's game to being truly democratic. That is why I am not only a supporter of Republican Democracy, but also a social-democratic economic system.

To each their own.

No, not really.

[Chad Empire]

Why do you keep asking me for a source? Everything I say is my beliefs.

I'm asking for evidence that supports thy conclusions.
If you simply made it up, then it's nothing but worthless nonsense.

Of course everything I say is nonsense, just as everything you say is nonsense, no one can prove or disprove any opinion at all, even if you pull up a so-called 'source' what's to say they don't make it up? Lets just all assume we all know what we're talking about.

[Chad Empire]

To each their own.

No, not really.

Do you disagree with the concept of everyone is entitled to their opinion?