What's your ideology?

[Chad Empire]

No, I'm a player and I'm trying to get critical feedback on my ideology and dicuss other people's, not argue on if my ideology is even an ideology, that is irrelevant to the topic of the thread, as far as I know, no one can disprove my ideology, only argue against if it can be considered one.

Your ideology puts WAY too much power in the hands on the government.

It's very fascistic.

Thank you!

Now, of course it puts the power to the government, who else can have the power?

[Masophia]

Your ideology puts WAY too much power in the hands on the government.

It's very fascistic.

Thank you!

Now, of course it puts the power to the government, who else can have the power?

How about the people?

[Blasveck]

Your ideology puts WAY too much power in the hands on the government.

It's very fascistic.

Thank you!

Now, of course it puts the power to the government, who else can have the power?

I don't know.

Maybe the people?

[Chad Empire]

Thank you!

Now, of course it puts the power to the government, who else can have the power?

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

[Khalite]

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

Chad... I am finding it more and more difficult to defend the things you say. I think I'm out.

[Blasveck]

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

Source please.

Really, if you're going to make a "Humans are X" argument, you better be a psychologist, archaeologist, sociologist, or have damn good sources.

[Transoxthraxia]

Peace Through Power. The people have their rights, excepting immigration and democratic rights. The government touches nothing but the military and immigration policies.

[Chad Empire]

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

Chad... I am finding it more and more difficult to defend the things you say. I think I'm out.

What?

[Conscentia]

How about you do what everyone else does, and say what you mean? We aren't mind readers.

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot not everyone is as smart as me and can't see the meaning behind the words.

A display of arrogance will only attract moderators...

What's your ideology? This is a question I run into a lot on this site, I try to carefully explain to people that I have a custom ideology 'Valkisim'^{[Name is meaningless, thus should not be taken seriously]} but as soon as I get half way through it they label me as a 'Communist.'

So I ask: What's your ideology? Explain it and give constructive critisim for my ideology and anyone else's


Valkisim:
Valkisim is an ideology that works with^[clarify] the beliefs of equality, order, and ultimate loyalty to its people^[elaborate]; and expectation that its people will return said loyalty. It is similar to Communism and Socialism^[elaborate] with a few things borrowed from Fascism^[elaborate].

Amendments of Valkisim:

Valkisim Is anti-capitalist and anti-corporations, although it allows foreign corporations to do business on a small scale which is regulated by the government.^{[Why the arbitrary exception?]}

All businesses are controlled and regulated by the government, the government will only demand a small tax of goods or small wealth payment.^{[If the economy is entirely state-controlled, taxation is irrelevant as all money returns to the state once spent]}

All property is owned by the government but open to own by the populace, tax for residence takes the form of small amounts of wealth.^{[If the economy is entirely state-controlled, taxation is irrelevant as all money returns to the state once spent]}

As businesses are owned by the government, failing businesses will be given financial aid for a period of two years^{[arbitrary time period]} but if the business continues to fail it is forced to close and the government will claim the land.^{[Why would the government have to claim it's own land?]}

Traditional schools are replaced with a new system^{[Traditional schools?]}; children are taken from their family's^[Why?] at the age of 8 and placed in academy's which are funded by the government, the children stay in these academy's until the age of 19.^{[How is this better than existing systems]}

Punishment for laws are affected as well, imprisonment is no longer a sentence, hard labour is the most common, followed by a fine and in extreme cases: death.^[inhumane]

Slavery is outlawed in every form, practice of it is punishable by hard labour^{[penal labour is slavery]} [ ]

The government would be an atheist state, having complete separation from church and state, although sympathetic towards religions, it doesn't give them any more rights than anyone else.

Hospitals, Fire Stations, and Police Forces are all owned, controlled, and funded by the government, Hospitals must accept and tend to any sick or injured. Police forces risk their lives to fight crime and Fire Fighters combat the inferno.^{[This just describes what these services are already like]}

Citizens are permitted to vote on small scale things (such as jury sentences) but not on leaders or crippling decisions.^{[Why not?]}

Employees are paid per week in an amount to sustain one person person
for two weeks, as to retain wealth and assure equality. ^{[Who decides what that is?][People's needs differ]}

Price and pay are universal, like products would have the same price everywhere, different products have different prices.^{[Poor economic policy]}

Valkisim (much like Fascism) aims to unify the nation as a whole and has militaristic tendency's^[elaborate]; the academy's are run by military officers, so are Fire stations, and police stations, they are all branches of the military.^[Why?]

Valkisim also believes it should resist foreign influence^[Why?], not allowing culture from other nations to spread too far, and to preserve national identity and tradition^[Dull].

[Masophia]

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

While I agree that the majority of people are unfit to govern, it is better to have the processes of representative democracy bring good leaders to the forefront. How would leaders be chosen in your system? Also, thinking of gov't officials as a 'diffrent species', by which I assume you mean a higher one, is dangerous and foolhardy to the extreme. Perhaps the best way to bring cruelty and barbarism is to put a small group of people on a pedestal above everyone else, give them all the power, and convince them that the masses as their inferiors, not even the same species. Do you not see the potential issues with this?

[Conscentia]

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

[Chad Empire]

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

Source please.

Really, if you're going to make a "Humans are X" argument, you better be a psychologist, archaeologist, sociologist, or have damn good sources.

Let me put it a diffrent way, most people only really think about themselves, I think we can agree on that yeah? Now my ideology works on the principle of everyone is equal outside the government, if I gave people any sort of power I would change this set up, which I find ideal, unless you can convince me otherwise?

[The Gallant Old Republic]

Conservatism, plain and true.

To be more exact, traditional conservatism, the good old-fashioned kind. See below for more detail.

[Conscentia]

Source please.

Really, if you're going to make a "Humans are X" argument, you better be a psychologist, archaeologist, sociologist, or have damn good sources.

Let me put it a diffrent way, most people only really think about themselves, I think we can agree on that yeah? Now my ideology works on the principle of everyone is equal outside the government, if I gave people any sort of power I would change this set up, which I find ideal, unless you can convince me otherwise?

No. You completely ignore the superorganisms humans form.

[Chad Empire]

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

While I agree that the majority of people are unfit to govern, it is better to have the processes of representative democracy bring good leaders to the forefront. How would leaders be chosen in your system? Also, thinking of gov't officials as a 'diffrent species', by which I assume you mean a higher one, is dangerous and foolhardy to the extreme. Perhaps the best way to bring cruelty and barbarism is to put a small group of people on a pedestal above everyone else, give them all the power, and convince them that the masses as their inferiors, not even the same species. Do you not see the potential issues with this?

Okay you have a point, and the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet, technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

[Conscentia]

While I agree that the majority of people are unfit to govern, it is better to have the processes of representative democracy bring good leaders to the forefront. How would leaders be chosen in your system? Also, thinking of gov't officials as a 'diffrent species', by which I assume you mean a higher one, is dangerous and foolhardy to the extreme. Perhaps the best way to bring cruelty and barbarism is to put a small group of people on a pedestal above everyone else, give them all the power, and convince them that the masses as their inferiors, not even the same species. Do you not see the potential issues with this?

Okay you have a point, and the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet, technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

You say people are too flawed to govern, and then give a small group of people all the power. Why?!

[Blasveck]

Okay you have a point, and the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet, technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

You say people are too flawed to govern, and then give a small group of people all the power. Why?!

Just-World fallacy?

Not entirely sure if that is applicable here.

[Chad Empire]

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot not everyone is as smart as me and can't see the meaning behind the words.

A display of arrogance will only attract moderators...

What's your ideology? This is a question I run into a lot on this site, I try to carefully explain to people that I have a custom ideology 'Valkisim'^{[Name is meaningless, thus should not be taken seriously]} but as soon as I get half way through it they label me as a 'Communist.'

So I ask: What's your ideology? Explain it and give constructive critisim for my ideology and anyone else's


Valkisim:
Valkisim is an ideology that works with^[clarify] the beliefs of equality, order, and ultimate loyalty to its people^[elaborate]; and expectation that its people will return said loyalty. It is similar to Communism and Socialism^[elaborate] with a few things borrowed from Fascism^[elaborate].

Amendments of Valkisim:

Valkisim Is anti-capitalist and anti-corporations, although it allows foreign corporations to do business on a small scale which is regulated by the government.^{[Why the arbitrary exception?]}

All businesses are controlled and regulated by the government, the government will only demand a small tax of goods or small wealth payment.^{[If the economy is entirely state-controlled, taxation is irrelevant as all money returns to the state once spent]}

All property is owned by the government but open to own by the populace, tax for residence takes the form of small amounts of wealth.^{[If the economy is entirely state-controlled, taxation is irrelevant as all money returns to the state once spent]}

As businesses are owned by the government, failing businesses will be given financial aid for a period of two years^{[arbitrary time period]} but if the business continues to fail it is forced to close and the government will claim the land.^{[Why would the government have to claim it's own land?]}

Traditional schools are replaced with a new system^{[Traditional schools?]}; children are taken from their family's^[Why?] at the age of 8 and placed in academy's which are funded by the government, the children stay in these academy's until the age of 19.^{[How is this better than existing systems]}

Punishment for laws are affected as well, imprisonment is no longer a sentence, hard labour is the most common, followed by a fine and in extreme cases: death.^[inhumane]

Slavery is outlawed in every form, practice of it is punishable by hard labour^{[penal labour is slavery]} [ ]

The government would be an atheist state, having complete separation from church and state, although sympathetic towards religions, it doesn't give them any more rights than anyone else.

Hospitals, Fire Stations, and Police Forces are all owned, controlled, and funded by the government, Hospitals must accept and tend to any sick or injured. Police forces risk their lives to fight crime and Fire Fighters combat the inferno.^{[This just describes what these services are already like]}

Citizens are permitted to vote on small scale things (such as jury sentences) but not on leaders or crippling decisions.^{[Why not?]}

Employees are paid per week in an amount to sustain one person person
for two weeks, as to retain wealth and assure equality. ^{[Who decides what that is?][People's needs differ]}

Price and pay are universal, like products would have the same price everywhere, different products have different prices.^{[Poor economic policy]}

Valkisim (much like Fascism) aims to unify the nation as a whole and has militaristic tendency's^[elaborate]; the academy's are run by military officers, so are Fire stations, and police stations, they are all branches of the military.^[Why?]

Valkisim also believes it should resist foreign influence^[Why?], not allowing culture from other nations to spread too far, and to preserve national identity and tradition^[Dull].

I would like to point out that I at least somewhat created a custom ideology and you have not.

[Masophia]

...the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet... technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

1) So then your entire model of a perfect state falls apart!

2) Why on earth do you think that that would be preferable to a republic?

[Chad Empire]

Okay you have a point, and the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet, technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

You say people are too flawed to govern, and then give a small group of people all the power. Why?!

These are not average people, they earned their positions, besides when I say 'people' I mean large groups of them, presumably voting in a democratic way.

[Masophia]

...the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet... technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

1) So then your entire model of a perfect state falls apart!

2) Why on earth do you think that that would be preferable to a republic?

I would like to point out that I at least somewhat created a custom ideology and you have not.

You having made up the ideology makes it weaker, not stronger. Unless you're the most brilliant political theorist, philosopher, and economist in history, which you're not.

[Norstal]

How about the people?

The people cannot be trusted, greedy, selfish, corrupt, they are in no state to run a country, true some of the people become part if the government, but think of them as diffrent species, while society is selfish and corrupt, the government is fair and pure.

Damn, son, someone needs to go outside more often.

[Conscentia]

[...] I would like to point out that I at least somewhat created a custom ideology and you have not.

Thy "custom ideology" is nothing more than a rehash of pre-existing ideas. You've created nothing.

[Masophia]

[...] I would like to point out that I at least somewhat created a custom ideology and you have not.

Thy "custom ideology" is nothing more than a rehash of pre-existing ideas. You've created nothing.

*Thine

[Chad Empire]

...the succession of leaders is something I haven't decided on yet... technically speaking my country is ruled by a single Lord and his inner circle, which is four people collectively.

1) So then your entire model of a perfect state falls apart!

2) Why on earth do you think that that would be preferable to a republic?

A republic? Well you see, I truely don't trust society at all, people voting collectively has very rarely yielded good results, look at America, they elected Bush then Obama, both horrible leaders, they just swayed the masses because masses are easily swayed, I don't like swaying and four jaded politicians will not be swayed easily.