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Any major ideologies you agree with?

Capitalism
165
32%
Communisim
68
13%
Fascisim
49
9%
Socialism
152
29%
Valkisim
11
2%
Imperialism
34
7%
Social Conservatism
41
8%
 
Total votes : 520

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Escasia
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Postby Escasia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:53 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conscentia wrote:More than that, he was a communist.


So he was an idiot, nice to know.


Thanks for dropping in to be insulting, I'll drop you a telegram next time we need you.

Luveria wrote:
Escasia wrote:I actually didn't know that about Picasso. You learn something new every day, I guess.


So he really was a communist.

*Watches the art values of Picasso paintings drop when Fox News says Picasso was a communist*


Now to search the internet for other artists who may have been communists. Soon, all the art will be mine at low, low prices!

*Twirls moustache fiendishly*
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Postby Immoren » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:57 am

Escasia wrote:
Now to search the internet for other artists who may have been communists. Soon, all the art will be mine at low, low prices!

*Twirls moustache fiendishly*


Clever bastard! D:<
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:01 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Conscentia wrote:More than that, he was a communist.


So he was an idiot, nice to know.


What?
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Postby Luveria » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:02 am

Escasia wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
So he was an idiot, nice to know.


Thanks for dropping in to be insulting, I'll drop you a telegram next time we need you.

Luveria wrote:
So he really was a communist.

*Watches the art values of Picasso paintings drop when Fox News says Picasso was a communist*


Now to search the internet for other artists who may have been communists. Soon, all the art will be mine at low, low prices!

*Twirls moustache fiendishly*


Those stocks belong to me. Back off, you capitalist scum. >:3

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Postby Luveria » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:02 am

Blasveck wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
So he was an idiot, nice to know.


What?


In the "real world" communism = idiocy. No exceptions. Surely you knew that?

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:03 am

Socialism. I prefer there to be business, just heavily regulated business.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Tritanope World » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:16 am

I'm not sure of the specific term, but I do like this Trotskyist party.
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Postby Baltic Finland (Ancient) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:30 am

Tsmida Eri wrote:
Mapleleafia wrote:Liberal socialist. The closer to an athenian democracy and socialist system, the better.


Oh yeah, those Athenians were so advanced and civilized, you know, with only free, male, citizens beings able vote and all.

Says the fascist.

But yes, because there were no better alternative at that time.
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Postby Baltic Finland (Ancient) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:36 am

Pandeeria wrote:Socialism. I prefer there to be business, just heavily regulated business.

Why does everybody think socialism means automatically state regulation?
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

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Postby Blasted Craigs » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:37 am

OK, what I see as an ideal ideology is split into two parts....economic and political. The reason is if a social policy doesn't address both these areas it is doomed to failure. Now, I am not saying this is a perfect system but this would be the system I would like to see exist.
Economic:
The country would be split into regions or territories economically, much like political districts. This would be overseen by a guild like council, in other words, retired business leaders. Their only authority would be in issuing licenses to conduct business and deciding the borders of the economic zones, which would be open to review every five years to reflect the change in economic validity. A shift in zone borders should be rare and require a majority vote of 80% or more from the guild to be initiated.

When someone wants to open a business, they apply for a license from the guild, and on the application they state what zone they are applying for. They can only operate or offer services in the zone they have a license for, and cannot operate in more than one zone. Customers, i.e., the everyday citizens, can use their collective bargaining ( their spending money ) in any zone they please, regardless of residency. This would hopefully limit the potential of monopolies, while also ensuring only those with a solid business plan rooted in reality are allowed to open a business.

If a business owner wishes to open a business in a more profitable district, they would notify the guild of their intention to move and sell or liquidate their current business. This guild would be a division of government that is separate and only has the ability to issue business licenses and decide economic zones. Any current business owner that is affected by the shift in economic boundaries would be offered a choice of a cash settlement by the guild or given the opportunity to sell assets located in the zone they have the least presence in. If evenly spread, they choose which zone between the two new zones to continue to operate in.

Environmental regulation would come from the political body, not this body of government. The political body could call on the guild for advice on the ramifications of regulation, however. Essentially, this would be a very regulated capitalistic model of economics.

Political:
Similar to the American model with a few changes. One congressional body, much like the senate, where each state sends representatives based on population, the lower population states send one representative, and the higher two. The cutoff? Split the states in half, and the lower half based on population one representative, the other half get two. This will be reviewed every ten years, and the max term any senator can serve is twenty years, with re-elections every three years. Like now, they would create laws that govern the land. Can issue a vote of no confidence in the executive leader, but would require a 95% or greater vote to do so, ejecting the current executive leader (V.P. would run the show in the interim) and requiring a new election in one year.

A President or Minister, name is unimportant, their duties would be to enforce the laws and to decide foreign policy free from congressional oversight unless they receive a vote of no confidence. A five year term, maximum 2 terms. Would have a main leader with an alternate, much like the President and Vice President.

The Judicial branch would have term seats and run for office and campaign like all politicians. The country would be split into thirteen judicial districts that would not change without a 90% vote from congress. There would be a supreme council of judges, and any candidate wishing to run for these seats would have to approval from a separate judicial board run by retired judges. The term would be for ten years in every district, with a maximum of thirty years able to serve. The main power would be to oversee the judicial process in legal courts.

The supreme judicial board would have one main power, the thirteen can issue an investigation into any political figure, whether it be a guild member, congressional member, or even the executive leader. This investigation would be carried out by a special body of judicial marshals that fall under the judicial branch, and to initiate this investigation takes a 10-3 vote minimum in favor. A member of the supreme court can also be investigated by the congressional body with an 80% vote in favor for an investigation. The executive branch would then be tasked to investigate said judge.

Now, this is not perfect, but I think it would be slightly better than what we in America have now. In my humble opinion. But alas, the powers that be are too firmly entrenched to allow this type of government to ever exist.
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The government in America can best be described with an analogy. The two political parties are two cats, the elite is a rat, power is the cheese, and the common people is the floor. The floor feels two cats can guard the cheese better than one. But the cats fight each other, and the rat makes off with the cheese in glee. The floor cannot leave, and soon both cats serve the rat, because the rat has the all powerful cheese, and gives the cats a small bit of it. So the floor gets crapped on by all three, as they eat the cheese together.

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Postby Greater Somalia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:41 am

I'm liberal on certain things (abortion, prostitution, drugs, freedom of religion from the state) and I'm conservative on certain things (like the death penalty and fiscal budget)...economically, I'm capitalistic.


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Postby Blasted Craigs » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:43 am

Baltic Finland wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:Socialism. I prefer there to be business, just heavily regulated business.

Why does everybody think socialism means automatically state regulation?

I agree... I think because for many Democracy is synonymous with free and unregulated capitalism, (Thank you FOX News PR machine "If ya money aint free, neither are ya free!" Fox slogan/message IMHO) and do not understand one can have a Democracy with a heavily regulated capitalistic economic model, which if you read my previous post, is the ideology I am in favor of.

In other words, Fox has been successful in promoting the idea that any regulation of businesses a step towards socialism. Whether or not you think socialism is a good model or not is beside the point.
The government in America can best be described with an analogy. The two political parties are two cats, the elite is a rat, power is the cheese, and the common people is the floor. The floor feels two cats can guard the cheese better than one. But the cats fight each other, and the rat makes off with the cheese in glee. The floor cannot leave, and soon both cats serve the rat, because the rat has the all powerful cheese, and gives the cats a small bit of it. So the floor gets crapped on by all three, as they eat the cheese together.

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Escasia
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Postby Escasia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:49 am

Blasted Craigs wrote:
Baltic Finland wrote:Why does everybody think socialism means automatically state regulation?

I agree... I think because for many Democracy is synonymous with free and unregulated capitalism, (Thank you FOX News PR machine "If ya money aint free, neither are ya free!" Fox slogan/message IMHO) and do not understand one can have a Democracy with a heavily regulated capitalistic economic model, which if you read my previous post, is the ideology I am in favor of.

In other words, Fox has been successful in promoting the idea that any regulation of businesses a step towards socialism. Whether or not you think socialism is a good model or not is beside the point.


Yeah, the media (and not just FOX) tends to heavily misinform people on what socialism is. On top of that, a number of parties which still call themselves the "socialist party" (such as the French ruling party) don't stand for socialist policies and instead tend to be for regulation of business and progressive taxation. I'd imagine that this also causes some confusion.

As for your point on people conflating democracy and capitalism, I agree. I've seen too many cases where someone is asked "why is democracy a good thing?" and responds "you can earn your own money" or something of that nature.
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Postby Centhe » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:55 am

Ok... My idiology isn't here. I'm nationalist //*//
Specifically, I'm nationalist of the Valencian Country (is another nation in Spain, like Catalunya or Euskadi), socialist (but I belive in the capitalism on small scale). The nationalism of the Valencian Contry is older than the nationalism of Catalunya. It begin when the war of succession (Borbon's dynasty vs. Austria's dynasty) and the Borbon's tropes burned Xativa (in those days, the greatest city of the Valencian Country), only survived 2,000 people. ONLY. This is the reason, why the Xativa's citizens are also know as socarrats (charred -Google Translator, maybe it's wrong-).
In Spain, we have a nationalist coalition for the Valencian Contry, Coalició Compromís (Coalition Commitment). They want a Federal State, Socialist, Green... I'm of Verds (Greens?), discover they ideology lol :3
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Postby Mbone » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:06 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Mbone wrote:I am a Nihilist, which you could argue would make my political ideology Anarchism.

What kind of anarchism?

Individualist.

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Postby Blasveck » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:07 pm

Mbone wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What kind of anarchism?

Individualist.


Which kind?
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Mbone wrote:
Conscentia wrote:What kind of anarchism?

Individualist.

Then it follows that you should not be a proponent of capitalism.
Capitalism is not individualist in any way. On the contrary, as most people are not owners of means of productions, most people have to serve others (those who do own means of production) in order to obtain what they need.

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Postby Tritanope World » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Tritanope World wrote:I'm not sure of the specific term, but I do like this Trotskyist party.

The ironic thing about this is that I used to be a Stalinist.

Now I don't know what the hell I am.
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Postby Blasted Craigs » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:27 pm

Escasia wrote:
Blasted Craigs wrote:I agree... I think because for many Democracy is synonymous with free and unregulated capitalism, (Thank you FOX News PR machine "If ya money aint free, neither are ya free!" Fox slogan/message IMHO) and do not understand one can have a Democracy with a heavily regulated capitalistic economic model, which if you read my previous post, is the ideology I am in favor of.

In other words, Fox has been successful in promoting the idea that any regulation of businesses a step towards socialism. Whether or not you think socialism is a good model or not is beside the point.


Yeah, the media (and not just FOX) tends to heavily misinform people on what socialism is. On top of that, a number of parties which still call themselves the "socialist party" (such as the French ruling party) don't stand for socialist policies and instead tend to be for regulation of business and progressive taxation. I'd imagine that this also causes some confusion.

As for your point on people conflating democracy and capitalism, I agree. I've seen too many cases where someone is asked "why is democracy a good thing?" and responds "you can earn your own money" or something of that nature.

I agree the entire media is misleading, but on this deception FOX news is king. But yes, on other issues the crown is passed around like a fat joint between the media giants, and while one has the joint the others sneer about how much of a pathetic liar they are.
The government in America can best be described with an analogy. The two political parties are two cats, the elite is a rat, power is the cheese, and the common people is the floor. The floor feels two cats can guard the cheese better than one. But the cats fight each other, and the rat makes off with the cheese in glee. The floor cannot leave, and soon both cats serve the rat, because the rat has the all powerful cheese, and gives the cats a small bit of it. So the floor gets crapped on by all three, as they eat the cheese together.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Tritanope World wrote:
Tritanope World wrote:I'm not sure of the specific term, but I do like this Trotskyist party.

The ironic thing about this is that I used to be a Stalinist.

Now I don't know what the hell I am.


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Postby Tritanope World » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:30 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Tritanope World wrote:The ironic thing about this is that I used to be a Stalinist.

Now I don't know what the hell I am.

A Trotskyist, maybe?

Probably. I have yet to see anything from Trotskyists that I disagree with, so it's likely.
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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:34 pm

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Postby Baltic Finland (Ancient) » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:36 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Baltic Finland wrote:Why does everybody think socialism means automatically state regulation?

Cold War.

The next question would be why does everybody think market economy means automatically capitalism.
Call me either Itämerensuomi or Läänemeresoome. I'm a pragmatic, consumerist and minarchist market socialist.

My favorite thinkers include Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Henry George, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill and Pierre-Joseph Proudhon.

Constitution ~ Dialects ~ Parties ~ Regions

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