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Postby Onocarcass » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:24 am

I honestly don't like the term race because it contributes to people being viewed as inferior in my eyes everyone is equal because we are all people I don't see anyone differently whether they be White,Black,Asian,Arabic,Pacific Islander,Native American.
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Postby Saruhan » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:34 am

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Scholencia wrote:No, they were not because they never set to explore nor did they had advanced technology like the Europeans did. In fact because they were backward they were colonised at the end (Arabs and Asians)

Math + Algebra, both eastern ideas originating out of Asia. 1. Gunpowder, cannons, whatnot? All from Asia. Fireworks? From Asia.

Factually, and I hate to make your brain explode here, but the Muslims colonised Spain and Portugal while the rest of Europe was 2. backwards, isolationist, and criticized everyone as heretics. The society of Al-Andalus, as the Muslim-colonised Iberian peninsula would later be called, became one of the most flourishing and multicultural places in the world. Yes, the Europeans sure have contributed to technology, too, but who invented the means that the Europeans used to commence said contributions? 3. Asians, Arabs, 4.Mayans, all over the world. Your shitty Eurocentric worldview is as disgusting as the Americocentric worldview that holds everything in the world to the standard of the US, and what's worse is that, unlike those Americocentric bastards, you don't even acknowledge that all these peoples actually did a lot more than you would ever like to admit in 1000 years time.

1. Yet it was europeans who first used them effectively
2. And arabic civilization at the time was just the same. Many christians were killed by Al-Andalus for being christian, that doesn't scream tolerance to me. Nor does the fact that the idea of a holy war entered Christianity through the arabic invasions.
3. You also seem to be forgetting about who gave the arabs the foundation themselves. Like the European Greeks and the Europeans Romans
4. Source about mayan influence in european technology
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Oct 26, 2013 11:37 am

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Unless you're a White Supremacist, no.

In the Western hemisphere, the subject known as "World History" tends to focus almost entirely on European and North American history and culture and from a purely "Caucasian" perspective, so to speak, barely delving into African, Asian, Central and South American, or Oceanian history, if at all. "World History" pretty much is the year-long version of White History Month.


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To be exact from this mountain which is still being mined today over 500 years later.

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Postby Starwarswasnotthatbad » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:00 pm

Yorkopolis wrote:
Scholencia wrote:No, they were not because they never set to explore nor did they had advanced technology like the Europeans did. In fact because they were backward they were colonised at the end (Arabs and Asians)

Math + Algebra, both eastern ideas originating out of Asia. Gunpowder, cannons, whatnot? All from Asia. Fireworks? From Asia.

Factually, and I hate to make your brain explode here, but the Muslims colonised Spain and Portugal while the rest of Europe was backwards, isolationist, and criticized everyone as heretics. The society of Al-Andalus, as the Muslim-colonised Iberian peninsula would later be called, became one of the most flourishing and multicultural places in the world. Yes, the Europeans sure have contributed to technology, too, but who invented the means that the Europeans used to commence said contributions? Asians, Arabs, Mayans, all over the world. Your shitty Eurocentric worldview is as disgusting as the Americocentric worldview that holds everything in the world to the standard of the US, and what's worse is that, unlike those Americocentric bastards, you don't even acknowledge that all these peoples actually did a lot more than you would ever like to admit in 1000 years time.


Calling the rest of bloody Europe backwards, I sure hope you are not studying European history. Or calling occupied Spain where Christians/Natives enjoyed considerable fewer rights in their own bloody country, something to be looked up to. The nerve of this guy. What is the deal with these people defending Al-Andalus? I don’t hear anyone calling British India the best thing happening ever, you could make much of the same argument, India became so multicultural, not to mention how much culture the conquering people produced in India. Who cares that the natives enjoyed fewer rights, think of all the British achieved.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:42 pm

Marquette of Pacific wrote:Equality for ALL races! Yes to White History Month.


That wouldn't be equality--it'd be perpetuating an unequal status quo.

A black history month with no specially-designated white history month is a step towards equality. Adding a designated white history month is a step backwards.

The problem is that you've completely failed to grasp the concept of "context" and integrate it into your worldview.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:47 pm

Marquette of Pacific wrote:Equality for ALL races! Yes to White History Month.


White history month seems like every month.
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Postby Kronstad » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:48 pm

Firstly, the OP should improve his grammar.
Secondly, why would there be a white history month? There isn't much worthy to be remembered when contrasted with a black history month (first thing that springs to mind when those two months are juxtaposed is slavery).
Thirdly, there wouldn't be equality with a white history month, there would be whites reminding others that besides enslaving them they also remember it for a month.
To conclude, white history month is a no-no.

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Postby Cameroi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:49 pm

by all means, lets have a fantasy and mythology month while we're at it.
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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:50 pm

When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:51 pm

Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist.


Please learn how to incorporate context and social dynamics into your worldview before you again incorrectly call things "discriminatory and...racist" based on only the most superficial and critical-thought-free appraisal of the situation; thanks!
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:51 pm

Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.

No it isn't.
No they aren't.

Learn perspective, son.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:51 pm

Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.

Because, of course, everyone who voted in the poll voted according to the biased question rather than to the idea of a white history month.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:51 pm

Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.

Are the efforts of "White" Americans ignored in the teaching of history, to the point that they need extra recognition?
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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:52 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.

No it isn't.
No they aren't.

Learn perspective, son.

There is no such thing as perspective there. To withhold it from them is discriminatory and racist. A proper society treats all of its citizens equally.
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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist. And to be quite honest I think that all of the 101 people that voted "no" are racists.

Are the efforts of "White" Americans ignored in the teaching of history, to the point that they need extra recognition?

Are the others ignored to the fact that they need special recognition. If I were remember correctly: there wouldn't be a United States of America without the whites. Unless of course it were the Mexicans and Afro-Americans that were the Pilgrim Fathers.. ;)
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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:54 pm

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Free Tristania wrote:When every other race gets such a month (like in the case of the United States) then I believe that it would only be fair that the effort of the "White" Americans are commemorated as well. Otherwise it would just be discriminatory and indeed.. racist.


Please learn how to incorporate context and social dynamics into your worldview before you again incorrectly call things "discriminatory and...racist" based on only the most superficial and critical-thought-free appraisal of the situation; thanks!

There is no such thing as "context" in fairness and equality. There either is or there isn't.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:54 pm

Free Tristania wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Are the efforts of "White" Americans ignored in the teaching of history, to the point that they need extra recognition?

Are the others ignored to the fact that they need special recognition.

Yes.

It's part of why it exists.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:55 pm

Free Tristania wrote:
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Please learn how to incorporate context and social dynamics into your worldview before you again incorrectly call things "discriminatory and...racist" based on only the most superficial and critical-thought-free appraisal of the situation; thanks!

There is no such thing as "context" in fairness and equality. There either is or there isn't.


WRONG!

"Equality" is an inherently contextual idea, inasmuch as you cannot know whether or not you are equalizing situations among parties without taking into account the totality of each party's prior situation. That's kind of what "equality" is all about.

Context is literally the entire fucking point of equality.

Really, you're just completely failing to think about the words you use altogether now.
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Postby Shaggai » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:57 pm

Free Tristania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:No it isn't.
No they aren't.

Learn perspective, son.

There is no such thing as perspective there.

Do you realize how absurd that sounds?
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Postby Hallistar » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:58 pm

Free Tristania wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Are the efforts of "White" Americans ignored in the teaching of history, to the point that they need extra recognition?

Are the others ignored to the fact that they need special recognition. If I were remember correctly: there wouldn't be a United States of America without the whites. Unless of course it were the Mexicans and Afro-Americans that were the Pilgrim Fathers.. ;)


For heaven's sake..

The efforts of said white Americans are already commemorated. Black history month doesn't make White history any less signifigant, it's a way of bringing them on equal footing regarding their place in history.

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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:58 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:There is no such thing as "context" in fairness and equality. There either is or there isn't.


WRONG!

"Equality" is an inherently contextual idea, inasmuch as you cannot know whether or not you are equalizing situations among parties without taking into account the totality of each party's prior situation. That's kind of what "equality" is all about.

Context is literally the entire fucking point of equality.

Really, you're just completely failing to think about the words you use altogether now.

That smells more like hypocrisy to me. Either everyone is equal.. or no one is equal.

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Where does it say.. except whites ? Just as much as the question in those days was: where it does it say.. except for blacks .. except for Indians ?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:59 pm

Free Tristania wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
WRONG!

"Equality" is an inherently contextual idea, inasmuch as you cannot know whether or not you are equalizing situations among parties without taking into account the totality of each party's prior situation. That's kind of what "equality" is all about.

Context is literally the entire fucking point of equality.

Really, you're just completely failing to think about the words you use altogether now.

That smells more like hypocrisy to me. Either everyone is equal.. or no one is equal.

All men are created equal
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Where does it say.. except whites ? Just as much as the question in those days was: where it does it say.. except for blacks .. except for Indians ?

Because Blacks were not perceived to be men, and thus not equal. Not sure about the Indians.
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Postby Cameroi » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:00 pm

fundamentally, there is no such effing thing, as "white" people.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:00 pm

Cameroi wrote:fundamentally, there is no such effing thing, as "white" people.


Sure there are.

Just because racial distinctions are culturally constructed, doesn't mean their impact on social relations and dynamics is any less real and meaningful.
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Postby Free Tristania » Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:01 pm

Hallistar wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Are the others ignored to the fact that they need special recognition. If I were remember correctly: there wouldn't be a United States of America without the whites. Unless of course it were the Mexicans and Afro-Americans that were the Pilgrim Fathers.. ;)


For heaven's sake..

The efforts of said white Americans are already commemorated. Black history month doesn't make White history any less signifigant, it's a way of bringing them on equal footing regarding their place in history.

No. It's discriminatory - as the very process of affirmative action is discriminatory. You cannot be equal if you give something to someone yet negate the rights of another group. Fortunately British English as well as my own language are less hypocritical about the very nature of the beast: positive discrimination. Positive ? Depends on who you're asking. Discriminatory ? Definitely.
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