Best Presidents of the U.S.

[Occupied Deutschland]

What's his name again?

Going by some of the names I've seen around here, I think he's called "That Kenyan Socialist".

*Muslim, Kenyan Socialist. That or 'Bush III'.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Going by some of the names I've seen around here, I think he's called "That Kenyan Socialist".

*Muslim, Kenyan Socialist. That or 'Bush III'.

Right, forgot his first name and his nickname.

[Rawrckia]

Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
Bush Jr
Tyler

Heroes of America.

Why is Coolidge in there, he was a pretty cool guy.

[Agymnum]

Greatest Democrats:

1. FDR
2. LBJ
3. Clinton
4. Truman
5. Wilson

Greatest Republicans:

1. Lincoln
2. TR
3. Taft
4. Arthur
5. Eisenhower

[Lesbia]

Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
Bush Jr
Tyler

Heroes of America.

Why is Coolidge in there, he was a pretty cool guy.

I see what you did there.

[Forster Keys]

Harding
Coolidge
Hoover
Bush Jr
Tyler

Heroes of America.

Why is Coolidge in there, he was a pretty cool guy.

Needed a filler. Can you recommend a more fitting fellow? /notayank

[Forster Keys]

Why is Coolidge in there, he was a pretty cool guy.

I see what you did there.

It wasn't Hard.

[Lesbia]

Going by some of the names I've seen around here, I think he's called "That Kenyan Socialist".

*Muslim, Kenyan Socialist. That or 'Bush III'.

Barack, Barak, Barrack, Barrak

[Lesbia]

I see what you did there.

It wasn't Hard.

*tries to come up with something else clever*

[Agymnum]

I see what you did there.

It wasn't Hard.

That reminds me of the Coolidge Effect.

[Rawrckia]

Greatest Democrats:

1. FDR
2. LBJ
3. Clinton
4. Truman
5. Wilson

Greatest Republicans:

1. Lincoln
2. TR
3. Taft
4. Arthur
5. Eisenhower

Oh lawdy why does everyone have FDR and Wilson on their lists (LBJ, Clinton, and Truman are all fine though).

They seemed good at the time but their impact today is mostly negative. (Wilson signed in the Federal Reserve which he later decided was a shitty idea, FDR decided that Japanese-Americans suddenly had no rights and evicted them like Indians)

[Bravooon]

4. Woodraw Wilson
5. Harry Trumen

You know them real good, I see.

[Agymnum]

Oh lawdy why does everyone have FDR and Wilson on their lists (LBJ, Clinton, and Truman are all fine though).

They seemed good at the time but their impact today is mostly negative. (Wilson signed in the Federal Reserve which he later decided was a shitty idea, FDR decided that Japanese-Americans suddenly had no rights and evicted them like Indians)

I agree that FDR's decision to imprison Japanese-Americans was deplorable but that's probably the only stain I can think of for an otherwise-accomplished president. His New Deal provided employment and aid to alleviate the worst of the Great Depression and his diplomatic dealings during World War 2 helped ensure allied victory. While I do not wish to insult Japanese-Americans by claiming what he did to them was not deplorable, judging FDR by that one fact alone wipes clean all the good he did during his presidency.

As for Wilson, I agree the man is a mixed bag, but something about me always admired his 14 Points. A lot of the Democratic presidents before FDR were rather lackluster which I why I chose good old Wilson, the racist.

[Zagornias]

Reagan? Best President?

Don't make me laugh.

[Agymnum]

Reagan? Best President?

Don't make me laugh.

He was one of the few presidents who was a professional actor, so I'm not really surprised. His performance during the presidency of actually appearing to be in-control is worthy of an Academy.

[Sibirsky]

It is? Since when? And do tell how these films "threaten the status of the constitution and the republic".

Encouraging people to commit crime is illegal. Promoting socialism encourages violation of the constitutional order and the liberties that the Constitution guarantees

Constitutional order? Liberties of the people?

What about the right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression, as established by the First Amendment to the Constitution?

Just like you shouldn't be able to say that you're going to perform a school shooting, promoting socialist views should not be allowed. It means that you're actively trying to violate the laws of the United States and ignore and violate the rights and liberties of your fellow citizens.

Socialism is not against the law, dude. Neither is promoting it.

Believe it or not, we have some socialist firms, in the US. They operate like any capitalist firm. They pay taxes, pay their employees, and conduct business on the (mostly) free market.

However, instead of being owned by investors, the firm is owned by the employees. I do not know, nor do not care how these firms are managed.

What I do know is that all of these arrangements, between the firm and the employees/owners, to their customers and business partners, are voluntary.

What is your issue with this?

[Zagornias]

Reagan? Best President?

Don't make me laugh.

He was one of the few presidents who was a professional actor, so I'm not really surprised. His performance during the presidency of actually appearing to be in-control is worthy of an Academy.

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I'm sigging this.
Immediately.

[ScorpionKnights]

Lincoln

[Sibirsky]

There needs to be a poll.

But FDR is definitely one of the worst.

He locked up innocent Japanese people for no reason, and prolonged the Great Depression. Hard to top that.

[Agymnum]

There needs to be a poll.

But FDR is definitely one of the worst.

He locked up innocent Japanese people for no reason, and prolonged the Great Depression. Hard to top that.

That's debatable. His New Deal programs alleviated the unemployment that occurred during the Great Depression, and while we'll never know if he really extended it (since World War 2 effectively ended it) making assumptions like that is pretty dangerous.

I'll agree that locking up the Japanese was ridiculous and deplorable, though.

[The Marxist State]

3.I don't understand the obsession with FDR, he provoked the Japanese to get reelected, threw loyal Americans in internment camps, and appointed a Klansmen to SCOTUS.

Like I said in another thread, every Presidents has their ups and downs. The Abraham Lincoln suspended several civil rights, including habeas corpus, used the lack of the Southern states to push through every program he ever wanted with impunity, and allowed his wife to fritter away large amounts of taxpayer money on a lavish lifestyle and decorating the White House.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

There needs to be a poll.

But FDR is definitely one of the worst.

He locked up innocent Japanese people for no reason, and prolonged the Great Depression. Hard to top that.

The internment camps are a black mark on his record, to be sure, and another blemish on America's troubled history of race relations.

To your second point, lol no.

[Agymnum]

3.I don't understand the obsession with FDR, he provoked the Japanese to get reelected, threw loyal Americans in internment camps, and appointed a Klansmen to SCOTUS.

Like I said in another thread, every Presidents has their ups and downs. The Abraham Lincoln suspended several civil rights, including habeas corpus, used the lack of the Southern states to push through every program he ever wanted with impunity, and allowed his wife to fritter away large amounts of taxpayer money on a lavish lifestyle and decorating the White House.

It's like they always say,

Every good man has a vice or two.

[Occupied Deutschland]

3.I don't understand the obsession with FDR, he provoked the Japanese to get reelected, threw loyal Americans in internment camps, and appointed a Klansmen to SCOTUS.

Like I said in another thread, every Presidents has their ups and downs. The Abraham Lincoln suspended several civil rights, including habeas corpus, used the lack of the Southern states to push through every program he ever wanted with impunity, and allowed his wife to fritter away large amounts of taxpayer money on a lavish lifestyle and decorating the White House.

Suspending civil rights on a massive scale is just a 'down' like any other disagreeable action?
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Something seems wrong about that.

(this isn't directed at you necessarily) I've noticed an odd trend in folks to forgive civil rights violations for little real reason but a feeling of ideological commonality or respect when it comes to US presidents. Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus is oftentimes waved off, FDRs imprisonment of an entire group of people based off ancestry is glossed over as a 'downer' of an otherwise great Presidency.

This is especially odd when similar activities by other presidents (Jackson's Indian Removal program, Reagan's interventions in foreign countries in support of human rights abusing governments, et. al.) are usually brought to the forefront rather readily (hell, Jackson even suffers from this glossing over to a good extent).

[Occupied Deutschland]

There needs to be a poll.

But FDR is definitely one of the worst.

He locked up innocent Japanese people for no reason, and prolonged the Great Depression. Hard to top that.

That's debatable. His New Deal programs alleviated the unemployment that occurred during the Great Depression, and while we'll never know if he really extended it (since World War 2 effectively ended it) making assumptions like that is pretty dangerous.

I'll agree that locking up the Japanese was ridiculous and deplorable, though.

Also destroying food just to raise the price is kind've...
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Well it's retarded, to be blunt.