Political Positions and Religion

[Luveria]

I've been homeless. I don't use that as an excuse to rob wealthy people. Stop with your excuses for taking from those who own more than you. It's pathetic.

I don't want to rob anyone. But yes, I think sometimes wrong deeds and feelings may be perfectly justifiable. Homo homini lupus, and some of them are much worser people than those that we hate for internalizing our classism in the form of self-blaming for our own problems and the injustices we suffer. No one pities the communities that have no rights and that suffer losses for the paveway of capitalism, no one pities the people who have no choice, why should little me pity the fuckers in the case they prove of their own toxin? I won't. I will laugh.

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

[Uiiop]

I don't want to rob anyone. But yes, I think sometimes wrong deeds and feelings may be perfectly justifiable. Homo homini lupus, and some of them are much worser people than those that we hate for internalizing our classism in the form of self-blaming for our own problems and the injustices we suffer. No one pities the communities that have no rights and that suffer losses for the paveway of capitalism, no one pities the people who have no choice, why should little me pity the fuckers in the case they prove of their own toxin? I won't. I will laugh.

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

No it looks like he's wants to rob the money of bad(Those who probably end up in jail) rich people.
I better let him clarify first though.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Then start by giving up all your money first to make this moneyless society first. Don't expect me to give up mine first. Or are you planning on making this moneyless society by taking away everyone else's money? How do you hope to achieve your goal of a moneyless society you believe will eventually happen?

Your reactionary comments are silly.

I have no money, and "communists must live in the forest planting their own food" is a fucked up excuse of an argument.

I have no idea, I'm too lazy to read seriously and to type all of it here out of nothing, I just agreed with the general idea, but I'm sure the person to explain you will do it in a way that I would agree the most.

Well, anyway, this generation's politicians of Brazil who ascended from a few poor hippies to upper middle and upper class people for one. Or the people inside the TV Globo that got away with not paying 1 trillion reais in their taxes, proving our government and media are essentially bedfellows, just with a little bit of conspiration against each other. Every profit they will ever make from the investiments made with such money will rightfully be taken away from them someday. I believe in karma.

[Hathradic States]

I don't want to rob anyone. But yes, I think sometimes wrong deeds and feelings may be perfectly justifiable. Homo homini lupus, and some of them are much worser people than those that we hate for internalizing our classism in the form of self-blaming for our own problems and the injustices we suffer. No one pities the communities that have no rights and that suffer losses for the paveway of capitalism, no one pities the people who have no choice, why should little me pity the fuckers in the case they prove of their own toxin? I won't. I will laugh.

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

I am unemployed and broke and I don't even call for that. Stealing from the rich to make the poor slightly less poor won't work as intended.

[Luveria]

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

No it looks like he's wants to rob the money of bad(Those who probably end up in jail) rich people.
I better let him clarify first though.

I guess you missed the part where a socialist in this thread called me stupid and lazy, not giving a fuck that I'm on medical disability.

You also missed the part where bankers are all blamed. What makes them so special that it's okay to rob them? Being rich? What is it? Doing what bankers do? That makes expropriation okay? That somehow results in a more equal society when you scare the fuck out of other corporations wanting to do business in the country? It's about punishing the wealthy. Not helping the poor.

[Luveria]

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

I am unemployed and broke and I don't even call for that. Stealing from the rich to make the poor slightly less poor won't work as intended.

It never works. It's the the perfect way to run an economy into the ground by scaring away foreign investors. Way to help the poor. But we all know none of them care about that. They just want to see the wealthy burn at any cost.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

You're the best advertisement against socialism, when people like you make it seem like an ideology hellbent on robbing wealthy people to somehow make an equal society.

No it looks like he's wants to rob the money of bad(Those who probably end up in jail) rich people.
I better let him clarify first though.

They never end up in jail where I live. They rule those who rule the ones that make the jail and employ those working on it.

Only the people who still food from the supermarket to get food to their children end up blind after suffering torture, violence and rape in a prison cell that is as unhealthy as the own sewer.

All this happens because of the machine we live in. If someone only wants to see the tip of the iceberg and say I have no morality, essentially, I couldn't give a shit less. They prove they want to be blind.

[Footballand]

I've been homeless. I don't use that as an excuse to rob wealthy people. Stop with your excuses for taking from those who own more than you. It's pathetic.

I remind you

Really I never say forcefully rob capitalists and never say rob people for being "too wealthy"...I say the banks steal us all in one night...but you understand this guy want rob too wealthy people...I go try to improve my English, if I can't, try on my pidgin Italian?

[Uiiop]

No it looks like he's wants to rob the money of bad(Those who probably end up in jail) rich people.
I better let him clarify first though.

I guess you missed the part where a socialist in this thread called me stupid and lazy, not giving a fuck that I'm on medical disability.

You also missed the part where bankers are all blamed. What makes them so special that it's okay to rob them? Being rich? What is it? Doing what bankers do? That makes expropriation okay? That somehow results in a more equal society when you scare the fuck out of other corporations wanting to do business in the country? It's about punishing the wealthy. Not helping the poor.

Different person than what i was talking about. You're probably right about the guy you're talking about first.

[Luveria]

No it looks like he's wants to rob the money of bad(Those who probably end up in jail) rich people.
I better let him clarify first though.

They never end up in jail where I live. They rule those who rule the ones that make the jail and employ those working on it.

Only the people who still food from the supermarket to get food to their children end up blind after suffering torture, violence and rape in a prison cell that is as unhealthy as the own sewer.

All this happens because of the machine we live in. If someone only wants to see the tip of the iceberg and say I have no morality, essentially, I couldn't give a shit less. They prove they want to be blind.

And I'll take a wild guess your solution is a violent revolution to solve all the problems!

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I am unemployed and broke and I don't even call for that. Stealing from the rich to make the poor slightly less poor won't work as intended.

It never works. It's the the perfect way to run an economy into the ground by scaring away foreign investors. Way to help the poor. But we all know none of them care about that. They just want to see the wealthy burn at any cost.

Why foreign investors are unequestionable?

What if WE ALL made pressure against their silly rants and fucked up methods of making us work until the bones of our fucking fingers show?

[Luveria]

I've been homeless. I don't use that as an excuse to rob wealthy people. Stop with your excuses for taking from those who own more than you. It's pathetic.

I remind you

Really I never say forcefully rob capitalists and never say rob people for being "too wealthy"...I say the banks steal us all in one night...but you understand this guy want rob too wealthy people...I go try to improve my English, if I can't, try on my pidgin Italian?

Uhuh and you want to scare foreign corporations away because if they displease you, then there goes all their assets. You don't care about the poor. All you care about is hating the wealthy.

It never works. It's the the perfect way to run an economy into the ground by scaring away foreign investors. Way to help the poor. But we all know none of them care about that. They just want to see the wealthy burn at any cost.

Why foreign investors are unequestionable?

What if WE ALL made pressure against their silly rants and fucked up methods of making us work until the bones of our fucking fingers show?

Do you want a violent revolution to give you a better country? You think that will help?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

And I'll take a wild guess your solution is a violent revolution to solve all the problems!

Violent?

Do you think I actually want another 1789 and 1917?

You so silly with your simplistic way of understanding what people mean. Looks like those anti-communist schoolboys. -_-

[Liriena]

Guys, girls... please... I hate seeing people I love bashing each other like this.

[Luveria]

And I'll take a wild guess your solution is a violent revolution to solve all the problems!

Violent?

Do you think I actually want another 1789 and 1917?

You so silly with your simplistic way of understanding what people mean. Looks like those anti-communist schoolboys. -_-

How do you suggest seizing the assets of bankers without violence? You won't have your democracy do it. How will you achieve it? I'll give you a hint. You won't achieve it.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Why foreign investors are unequestionable?

What if WE ALL made pressure against their silly rants and fucked up methods of making us work until the bones of our fucking fingers show?

Do you want a violent revolution to give you a better country? You think that will help?

I for one think that if the democratic process in this fucking globalized neoliberalism were really the will of the people, some sort of cooperation like this agains their despotism would long have had been proposed and acted on.

But of course you prefer to not see they manipulate the whole of almost every society at large from the smallest media element to the top of the governments in favor of things that benefit their own profits, and keep making those stupid crybaby threats in the name of raping not only the environment and worker rights but God knows what more when they are already stinking rich and powerful!

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Violent?

Do you think I actually want another 1789 and 1917?

You so silly with your simplistic way of understanding what people mean. Looks like those anti-communist schoolboys. -_-

How do you suggest seizing the assets of bankers without violence? You won't have your democracy do it. How will you achieve it? I'll give you a hint. You won't achieve it.

Well, of course the sham democracies we have in the West and Latin America only happen in certain particular circumstances. Tell me something new.

If there were any simple answers to this, we would have already acted on it. The anti-globalization movement is there, strong, all across the world, since at least some 20 years ago.

[Blasveck]

How do you suggest seizing the assets of bankers without violence? You won't have your democracy do it. How will you achieve it? I'll give you a hint. You won't achieve it.

Well, of course the sham democracies we have in the West and Latin America only happen in certain particular circumstances. Tell me something new.

If there were any simple answers to this, we would have already acted on it. The anti-globalization movement is there, strong, all across the world, since at least some 20 years ago.

Anti-globalization is ultimately and inevitably a stupid position.

And that still doesn't answer Luv's question.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Anti-globalization is ultimately and inevitably a stupid position.

And that still doesn't answer Luv's question.

Well, I would expect no different from a middle or upper class person from some comfortable developed country that works. Of course for some countries it seems like a very profiteeable opportunity. But it will essentially worse things for tens and tens of millions of people.

She would probably address this more clearly with her own words if she isn't satisfied with my reply. When it comes to me you always seem to candidate to be the one to go get more firewood, huh.

[Luveria]

Do you want a violent revolution to give you a better country? You think that will help?

I for one think that if the democratic process in this fucking globalized neoliberalism were really the will of the people, some sort of cooperation like this agains their despotism would long have had been proposed and acted on.

But of course you prefer to not see they manipulate the whole of almost every society at large from the smallest media element to the top of the governments in favor of things that benefit their own profits, and keep making those stupid crybaby threats in the name of raping not only the environment and worker rights but God knows what more when they are already stinking rich and powerful!

Robbing capitalists isn't the way to help your economy. That removes capital investment, which means less economic growth. If you cared about poverty eventually being decreased, that would matter to you. Encouraging economic growth and investment is the way to reduce poverty. Not taking all the money away from the highest percentile. That's unsustainable, and then you remove the single biggest source of taxable income with a progressive income tax. But your attitude seems to be "fuck progressive taxation, lets just rob the fuck out of the wealthy because I hate that they own more than me! I hate that their businesses failed us!"

You've probably fucked up too in your life. A lot of small businesses fuck up and go under. But it's apparently only worth robbing people when a very large business such as a bank makes a shitty decision, as if there is some magical line that once a business generates revenue past a certain point, it's fair game on them.

How do you suggest seizing the assets of bankers without violence? You won't have your democracy do it. How will you achieve it? I'll give you a hint. You won't achieve it.

Well, of course the sham democracies we have in the West and Latin America only happen in certain particular circumstances. Tell me something new.

If there were any simple answers to this, we would have already acted on it. The anti-globalization movement is there, strong, all across the world, since at least some 20 years ago.

Maybe you don't get it that progress isn't instant. It takes time. There's nothing you can change about that. Poverty doesn't decrease instantly, no matter what. It's a gradual process.

[Blasveck]

Anti-globalization is ultimately and inevitably a stupid position.

And that still doesn't answer Luv's question.

Well, I would expect no different from a middle or upper class person from some comfortable developed country that works. Of course for some countries it seems like a very profiteeable opportunity. But it will essentially worse things for tens and tens of millions of people.

She would probably address this more clearly with her own words if she isn't satisfied with my reply. When it comes to me you always seem to candidate to be the one to go get more firewood, huh.

I guess so.

Not really intentional either way.
No harm meant.

[Footballand]

Uhuh and you want to scare foreign corporations away because if they displease you, then there goes all their assets. You don't care about the poor. All you care about is hating the wealthy

No. There are many foreign corporations acting properly here...but, as has already occurred, a foreign company is not interested in the country, buy the flag airline and later sells all the planes except 2, sell the hubs around the world, sell all the aerial routes ... takes all the money out of the country and then say...bankruptcy!!! Please save me!! Of course...Away!!!!

Second, I think you need learn more about our history (like I need lear english), here companies like Ford, Mercedes Benz currently are in trials for crimes against humanity ... along with the military murdered workers because they requesting better wages...that level of things we are talking about, many companies not come to do charity, really come to exploiting people and that's what it luckily recent governments have opposed ... invest? Perfect ... exploit people? Out of here ...

[Frisivisia]

I for one think that if the democratic process in this fucking globalized neoliberalism were really the will of the people, some sort of cooperation like this agains their despotism would long have had been proposed and acted on.

But of course you prefer to not see they manipulate the whole of almost every society at large from the smallest media element to the top of the governments in favor of things that benefit their own profits, and keep making those stupid crybaby threats in the name of raping not only the environment and worker rights but God knows what more when they are already stinking rich and powerful!

Robbing capitalists isn't the way to help your economy. That removes capital investment, which means less economic growth. If you cared about poverty eventually being decreased, that would matter to you. Encouraging economic growth and investment is the way to reduce poverty. Not taking all the money away from the highest percentile. That's unsustainable, and then you remove the single biggest source of taxable income with a progressive income tax. But your attitude seems to be "fuck progressive taxation, lets just rob the fuck out of the wealthy because I hate that they own more than me! I hate that their businesses failed us!"

You've probably fucked up too in your life. A lot of small businesses fuck up and go under. But it's apparently only worth robbing people when a very large business such as a bank makes a shitty decision, as if there is some magical line that once a business generates revenue past a certain point, it's fair game on them.

Well, of course the sham democracies we have in the West and Latin America only happen in certain particular circumstances. Tell me something new.

If there were any simple answers to this, we would have already acted on it. The anti-globalization movement is there, strong, all across the world, since at least some 20 years ago.

Maybe you don't get it that progress isn't instant. It takes time. There's nothing you can change about that. Poverty doesn't decrease instantly, no matter what. It's a gradual process.

It seems that the entire crux of your argument rests on his entire point being "LOL EAT THA RICH" rather than, say, increased taxation, regulation, and general wealth-flow around the wealthier members of society. The fact that you're relying so heavily on that shitty excuse for a strawman as well as "well I was poor so you can't claim that your position supports the working class". Fucking disgraceful.

[Luveria]

Uhuh and you want to scare foreign corporations away because if they displease you, then there goes all their assets. You don't care about the poor. All you care about is hating the wealthy

No. There are many foreign corporations acting properly here...but, as has already occurred, a foreign company is not interested in the country, buy the flag airline and later sells all the planes except 2, sell the hubs around the world, sell all the aerial routes ... takes all the money out of the country and then say...bankruptcy!!! Please save me!! Of course...Away!!!!

Second, I think you need learn more about our history (like I need lear english), here companies like Ford, Mercedes Benz currently are in trials for crimes against humanity ... along with the military murdered workers because they requesting better wages...that level of things we are talking about, many companies not come to do charity, really come to exploiting people and that's what it luckily recent governments have opposed ... invest? Perfect ... exploit people? Out of here ...

And what is your answer to the problems?

Robbing capitalists isn't the way to help your economy. That removes capital investment, which means less economic growth. If you cared about poverty eventually being decreased, that would matter to you. Encouraging economic growth and investment is the way to reduce poverty. Not taking all the money away from the highest percentile. That's unsustainable, and then you remove the single biggest source of taxable income with a progressive income tax. But your attitude seems to be "fuck progressive taxation, lets just rob the fuck out of the wealthy because I hate that they own more than me! I hate that their businesses failed us!"

You've probably fucked up too in your life. A lot of small businesses fuck up and go under. But it's apparently only worth robbing people when a very large business such as a bank makes a shitty decision, as if there is some magical line that once a business generates revenue past a certain point, it's fair game on them.



Maybe you don't get it that progress isn't instant. It takes time. There's nothing you can change about that. Poverty doesn't decrease instantly, no matter what. It's a gradual process.

It seems that the entire crux of your argument rests on his entire point being "LOL EAT THA RICH" rather than, say, increased taxation, regulation, and general wealth-flow around the wealthier members of society. The fact that you're relying so heavily on that shitty excuse for a strawman as well as "well I was poor so you can't claim that your position supports the working class". Fucking disgraceful.

I've already been called stupid and lazy before resorting to that. I have no reason to be respectful to someone who does to that to me.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Robbing capitalists isn't the way to help your economy. That removes capital investment, which means less economic growth. If you cared about poverty eventually being decreased, that would matter to you. Encouraging economic growth and investment is the way to reduce poverty. Not taking all the money away from the highest percentile. That's unsustainable, and then you remove the single biggest source of taxable income with a progressive income tax. But your attitude seems to be "fuck progressive taxation, lets just rob the fuck out of the wealthy because I hate that they own more than me! I hate that their businesses failed us!"

You've probably fucked up too in your life. A lot of small businesses fuck up and go under. But it's apparently only worth robbing people when a very large business such as a bank makes a shitty decision, as if there is some magical line that once a business generates revenue past a certain point, it's fair game on them.

*facepalms*

You need to live in an underdeveloped country with problems inherent to almost any similar capitalist machine to understand what I mean. I talked about karma. Of course mere money-making isn't by itself deserveful of criminal acts by any decent morality (even though I'm still for a society without money and private property). But some forms to make the machine work for them while they make money sometimes involve really shitty methods, and I would never pity people who did some especially dirty things. The kinds of dirty things we Argentines and Brazilians know, and that is why we are more left-leaning on average than people on many developed countries.

You really didn't get my point. I am not advocating people being striped over their property for punitive taxation reasons. And I also think Footballand wasn't.

I guess you're emotional about the topic so I will stop here to not be further misinterpreted. I was just trying to make the case Footballand's seemingly ideology isn't exactly very irrational given our sociocultural context and experiences, and that he wasn't really mean toward you, just a bit not used to the house's politeness rules.